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Why Did RE Agent Send Appraiser 5 and 6 Year Old Homes As 
Comps For 20 Year Old Subject? 
Bill Cobb 
http://www.batonrougerealestateappraisal.com/ - Why Did RE Agent Send Appraiser 5 and 6 Year Old Homes 
As Comps For 20 Year Old Subject? 
The longer I appraise homes for purchases, the less I understand about how 
homes are properly and priced for listings! This post is about an example in the 
Greater Baton Rouge housing market I recently experienced. THE HOME DID 
NOT APPRAISE FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE! AND, this was one of those 
deals where they tried to roll in excessive seller paid concessions. 
Disclaimer. In order to protect the identity of the Agent and the home in question, 
which is still Pending, details as to location and physical address are withheld. 
Physical Details. Subject or home under contract is located somewhere in 
Greater Baton Rouge. Subject is 20 years old, 1,750sf to 2,000sf 3 bedrooms, 2 
bathrooms located in a restricted subdivision where the homes are similar size 
and age. There is 1 sale and current listings in this development. Price range is 
somewhere between $180,000 to $220,000. While subject is in good condition, 
it's not updated and has some inferior vinyl flooring. 
Appraisal Inspection Setup & Request For Comps Used To Market Subject. As is my custom, at the same time 
the appraisal inspection was setup, the comps used to market the home were requested from Listing Agent. I've 
always believed that there are 2 to 3 real estate professionals involved in the sale or purchase of a home: the Listing 
Agent, Selling Agent and The Appraiser. Agents do know and see things in the market that appraisers do not and I 
want to know what I might be missing about a deal. School district could be an example. And, by requesting the 
comps up front, I hope to avoid an appeal or rebuttal later. 
Home Was Priced High And The Sellers Gave it Away! Before visiting subject, I noticed subject was priced high 
and Agent provided 5 "sales", which turned out NOT to be true comps. When I arrived at the home, the sellers were 
obviously nervous and were asking me questions about the appraisal and comps and making statements like, "I hope 
the home appraises with the extra concessions rolled in because we have a contract on another home....." 
The "Sales", not "Comps" Sent. Also, Note That Appraisal Is Being Completed In March 2011 and Lenders 
Want Comps Within 90 to 180 Days Or 3 to 6 Months. Here's a review of the 5 sales sent to me. 
Sale #1, sold in 4/2010, is 200sf smaller in size, is similar in age but is updated. While this sale can be added a 
supplemental comp, this "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. 
Sale #2, sold in 6/2010, is 240sf smaller in size, was built in 2006 or is 5 years old, is located in a newer
development with a newer design/appeal. So, design/appeal, age, location and condition are all superior. How is this 
"5" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? The 240sf difference in size raises the gross and net 
adjustments above underwriter tolerance of 15%, which indicates it's not truly a comparable. Also, the 6/2010 "sale" 
is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing here! 
Sale #3, sold in 8/2010, is 312sf smaller in size, was built in 2005 or is 6 years old, is located in a newer 
development with a newer design/appeal AND an IG Pool. So, design/appeal, age, SLAB GRANITE COUNTERS, 
location, IG Pool and condition are all superior. How is this "6" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? 
The 312sf difference in size raises the gross and net adjustments above underwriter tolerance of 15%, which 
indicates it's not truly a comparable. Also, the 8/2010 "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy 
consideration to it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing here! 
Sale #4, sold in 10/2010 is within 75sf of subjects size, BUT was built in 2000 or is 11 years old, has a newer 
design/appeal AND is located on a half acre subdivision lot. So, design/appeal, age lot size and condition are all 
superior. How is this "11" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? 
Sale #5, sold in 6/2010, is within 75sf of subjects size, is similar in age and condition. While this sale can be added 
a supplemental comp, this "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. 
What I did and didn't do! This appraiser ended up using Sales 1, 4 & 5 in the report, Sale 4 simply because of the 
lack of sold homes in this market, along with 2 other more recent solds to comply with underwriters wanting more 
recent comps. This appraiser did not bend ethics and use Sales 2 & 3 as there was NO remote similarity to the 
subject and 5 & 6 year old homes. And, per lender requirements, this appraiser also added 3 listings into the report 
from the immediate market, of which 2 were located in subjects own development. 
THIS IS NOT A HOUSING MARKET OF STRENGTH AND....THIS POST HURRICANE KATRINA MARKET IS 
UNDERSTANDABLY AND LOGICALLY STILL CORRECTING! While GBR is performing better than the general 
U.S. housing market, we do face challenges. There has been a barrage of economic data and news suggesting 
national economic malaise in the housing sector with no signs whatever of even price footing, U.S. home prices 
continue to fall, and Corelogic and Baton Rouge Business Report reporting that Greater Baton Rouge is in its' 6TH 
STRAIGHT MONTH OF HOME PRICE DECLINES. Greater Baton Rouge also has a fore closure and shadow 
inventory problem with 22 months of current shadow inventory . I'm not here to put down our market, but I do believe 
it's about time we admit the challenges and price local listings accordingly, especially in the under $300K range 
where it really matters. The over $300,000 market appears to be weathering this downturn better than the under 
$300,000 markets.
WHAT I DON'T SOMETIMES SEE IN THE GBR HOUSING MARKET. What I don't see sometimes, not all the time, 
are GBR home listings priced according to these facts and trends above! Some homes are priced as if it were still 
2007. Homes shouldn't be listed based on the sellers dictating listing price but rather based on market support and a 
little cushion for negotiation and normal seller concessions. 
LOW APPRAISALS. And, when homes are overpriced, this is why that "low appraisal" occurs. Low Appraisals could 
be the result of a faulty appraisal, and/or it could be more about bringing reality to the situation and reflecting a flaw in 
the expectations created by a faulty and unrealistic listing pricing at the beginning of the process. Some Agents set 
their own selves up for the "low appraisal" when the first put that overpriced listing price on the home. This is exactly 
the example I have provided in this article, the totally unrealistic listing price for this home that didn't appraise. And, it 
didn't appraise based on the Agent's 3 actual comps and the 1 sale and 2 current listings in the subjects own 
development. I believe those 5 & 6 year old "sales" provided were to help prop up the deal, which didn't happen with 
this appraiser! 
REASONS FOR LOW APPRAISALS. Low Appraisals can occur because the home listed wasn't actually 
measured...this does happen in our market. If the home isn't measured and appraiser discovers home is 200sf 
smaller, then the "low appraisal" happens and the P.A. will probably have to be re-negotiated. Low appraisals can 
occur because the listing agents failed to deduct excessive seller paid concessions when they completed that MLS 
CMA to price that home. And, the GBRMLS doesn't automatically deduct excessive concessions. So, if local agents 
don't do more than a simple MLS CMA to price their listings, if they don't examine seller paid concessions on each
sale they base value, they could end up with a low appraisal because that appraiser IS going to deduct excessive 
seller paid concessions on comps used based on Fannie Mae selling guidelines, which instructs appraisers to do so 
below: 
"Lenders are reminded that excessive sales concessions can artificially inflate the sales price of a property, which 
can then lead to an inflated market value. Particular attention should be given to unusual sales or financing 
concessions to ensure that they are properly accounted for in the appraisal report. Fannie Mae’s definition of market 
value is intended to ensure that appraisals reflect an opinion of market value after adjustments for any special or 
creative financing or sales 
concessions have been made, such as interest rate buydowns or payment of condo or homeowners’ association 
fees." 
Fannie Mae and FHA know that when there's no skin-in-the-game or down payment, there could be a higher default 
rate! 
GREATER BATON ROUGE HOME BUYERS SHOULD GET A PRE-PURCHASE HOME APPRAISAL! With the 
local housing market still correcting and "some" overpriced listings in this market, it's this appraisers advice to get a 
Pre-Purchase Home Appraisal before negotiations! 
Disclaimer: Trulia, Inc. does not necessarily endorse the real estate agents, loan 
officers and brokers listed on this site. These real estate profiles, blogs and blog 
entries are provided here as a courtesy to our visitors to help them make an 
informed decision when buying or selling a house. Trulia, Inc. takes no 
responsibility for the content in these profiles, that are written by the members of 
this community. 
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Why Did Baton Rouge REALTOR Send Appraiser 5 and 6 Year Old Homes As Comps For 20 Year Old Subject

  • 1. activerain.trulia.com http://activerain.trulia.com/blogsview/2215926/why-did-re-agent-send-appraiser-5-and-6-year-old-homes-as-comps-for-20-year-old-subject- Why Did RE Agent Send Appraiser 5 and 6 Year Old Homes As Comps For 20 Year Old Subject? Bill Cobb http://www.batonrougerealestateappraisal.com/ - Why Did RE Agent Send Appraiser 5 and 6 Year Old Homes As Comps For 20 Year Old Subject? The longer I appraise homes for purchases, the less I understand about how homes are properly and priced for listings! This post is about an example in the Greater Baton Rouge housing market I recently experienced. THE HOME DID NOT APPRAISE FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE! AND, this was one of those deals where they tried to roll in excessive seller paid concessions. Disclaimer. In order to protect the identity of the Agent and the home in question, which is still Pending, details as to location and physical address are withheld. Physical Details. Subject or home under contract is located somewhere in Greater Baton Rouge. Subject is 20 years old, 1,750sf to 2,000sf 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms located in a restricted subdivision where the homes are similar size and age. There is 1 sale and current listings in this development. Price range is somewhere between $180,000 to $220,000. While subject is in good condition, it's not updated and has some inferior vinyl flooring. Appraisal Inspection Setup & Request For Comps Used To Market Subject. As is my custom, at the same time the appraisal inspection was setup, the comps used to market the home were requested from Listing Agent. I've always believed that there are 2 to 3 real estate professionals involved in the sale or purchase of a home: the Listing Agent, Selling Agent and The Appraiser. Agents do know and see things in the market that appraisers do not and I want to know what I might be missing about a deal. School district could be an example. And, by requesting the comps up front, I hope to avoid an appeal or rebuttal later. Home Was Priced High And The Sellers Gave it Away! Before visiting subject, I noticed subject was priced high and Agent provided 5 "sales", which turned out NOT to be true comps. When I arrived at the home, the sellers were obviously nervous and were asking me questions about the appraisal and comps and making statements like, "I hope the home appraises with the extra concessions rolled in because we have a contract on another home....." The "Sales", not "Comps" Sent. Also, Note That Appraisal Is Being Completed In March 2011 and Lenders Want Comps Within 90 to 180 Days Or 3 to 6 Months. Here's a review of the 5 sales sent to me. Sale #1, sold in 4/2010, is 200sf smaller in size, is similar in age but is updated. While this sale can be added a supplemental comp, this "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. Sale #2, sold in 6/2010, is 240sf smaller in size, was built in 2006 or is 5 years old, is located in a newer
  • 2. development with a newer design/appeal. So, design/appeal, age, location and condition are all superior. How is this "5" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? The 240sf difference in size raises the gross and net adjustments above underwriter tolerance of 15%, which indicates it's not truly a comparable. Also, the 6/2010 "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing here! Sale #3, sold in 8/2010, is 312sf smaller in size, was built in 2005 or is 6 years old, is located in a newer development with a newer design/appeal AND an IG Pool. So, design/appeal, age, SLAB GRANITE COUNTERS, location, IG Pool and condition are all superior. How is this "6" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? The 312sf difference in size raises the gross and net adjustments above underwriter tolerance of 15%, which indicates it's not truly a comparable. Also, the 8/2010 "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing here! Sale #4, sold in 10/2010 is within 75sf of subjects size, BUT was built in 2000 or is 11 years old, has a newer design/appeal AND is located on a half acre subdivision lot. So, design/appeal, age lot size and condition are all superior. How is this "11" year old home comparable to a 20 year old home? Sale #5, sold in 6/2010, is within 75sf of subjects size, is similar in age and condition. While this sale can be added a supplemental comp, this "sale" is too old for underwriters in 2011 to give heavy consideration to it. What I did and didn't do! This appraiser ended up using Sales 1, 4 & 5 in the report, Sale 4 simply because of the lack of sold homes in this market, along with 2 other more recent solds to comply with underwriters wanting more recent comps. This appraiser did not bend ethics and use Sales 2 & 3 as there was NO remote similarity to the subject and 5 & 6 year old homes. And, per lender requirements, this appraiser also added 3 listings into the report from the immediate market, of which 2 were located in subjects own development. THIS IS NOT A HOUSING MARKET OF STRENGTH AND....THIS POST HURRICANE KATRINA MARKET IS UNDERSTANDABLY AND LOGICALLY STILL CORRECTING! While GBR is performing better than the general U.S. housing market, we do face challenges. There has been a barrage of economic data and news suggesting national economic malaise in the housing sector with no signs whatever of even price footing, U.S. home prices continue to fall, and Corelogic and Baton Rouge Business Report reporting that Greater Baton Rouge is in its' 6TH STRAIGHT MONTH OF HOME PRICE DECLINES. Greater Baton Rouge also has a fore closure and shadow inventory problem with 22 months of current shadow inventory . I'm not here to put down our market, but I do believe it's about time we admit the challenges and price local listings accordingly, especially in the under $300K range where it really matters. The over $300,000 market appears to be weathering this downturn better than the under $300,000 markets.
  • 3. WHAT I DON'T SOMETIMES SEE IN THE GBR HOUSING MARKET. What I don't see sometimes, not all the time, are GBR home listings priced according to these facts and trends above! Some homes are priced as if it were still 2007. Homes shouldn't be listed based on the sellers dictating listing price but rather based on market support and a little cushion for negotiation and normal seller concessions. LOW APPRAISALS. And, when homes are overpriced, this is why that "low appraisal" occurs. Low Appraisals could be the result of a faulty appraisal, and/or it could be more about bringing reality to the situation and reflecting a flaw in the expectations created by a faulty and unrealistic listing pricing at the beginning of the process. Some Agents set their own selves up for the "low appraisal" when the first put that overpriced listing price on the home. This is exactly the example I have provided in this article, the totally unrealistic listing price for this home that didn't appraise. And, it didn't appraise based on the Agent's 3 actual comps and the 1 sale and 2 current listings in the subjects own development. I believe those 5 & 6 year old "sales" provided were to help prop up the deal, which didn't happen with this appraiser! REASONS FOR LOW APPRAISALS. Low Appraisals can occur because the home listed wasn't actually measured...this does happen in our market. If the home isn't measured and appraiser discovers home is 200sf smaller, then the "low appraisal" happens and the P.A. will probably have to be re-negotiated. Low appraisals can occur because the listing agents failed to deduct excessive seller paid concessions when they completed that MLS CMA to price that home. And, the GBRMLS doesn't automatically deduct excessive concessions. So, if local agents don't do more than a simple MLS CMA to price their listings, if they don't examine seller paid concessions on each
  • 4. sale they base value, they could end up with a low appraisal because that appraiser IS going to deduct excessive seller paid concessions on comps used based on Fannie Mae selling guidelines, which instructs appraisers to do so below: "Lenders are reminded that excessive sales concessions can artificially inflate the sales price of a property, which can then lead to an inflated market value. Particular attention should be given to unusual sales or financing concessions to ensure that they are properly accounted for in the appraisal report. Fannie Mae’s definition of market value is intended to ensure that appraisals reflect an opinion of market value after adjustments for any special or creative financing or sales concessions have been made, such as interest rate buydowns or payment of condo or homeowners’ association fees." Fannie Mae and FHA know that when there's no skin-in-the-game or down payment, there could be a higher default rate! GREATER BATON ROUGE HOME BUYERS SHOULD GET A PRE-PURCHASE HOME APPRAISAL! With the local housing market still correcting and "some" overpriced listings in this market, it's this appraisers advice to get a Pre-Purchase Home Appraisal before negotiations! Disclaimer: Trulia, Inc. does not necessarily endorse the real estate agents, loan officers and brokers listed on this site. These real estate profiles, blogs and blog entries are provided here as a courtesy to our visitors to help them make an informed decision when buying or selling a house. Trulia, Inc. takes no responsibility for the content in these profiles, that are written by the members of this community. © 2014 Trulia, Inc. All Rights Reserved Fair Housing: Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity