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New Horizons In Genetic Diagnosis
           Alicante, march 18th and 19th 2013




The Social Construction of Predictive Genetics and the
         Need for a Patient Driven Research
                  An ethnographic approach
           to biomedical policy making in PGD/PCS

                - CARLOS BEZOS DALESKE -
A simple car commercial can
tell us a lot about our society
A car is
• A physical object
• An important element of economy and social
   relations
• A symbol
Mechanics,
                              Thermodynamics
                               and Chemistry




      Manufacturers and Capital




Advertising and
   branding
SCIENCE        SOCIAL RELATIONS             NARRATIVES




  Mechanics,      Manufacturers and Capital   Advertising and
Thermodynamics                                   branding
 and Chemistry
           TECHNOLOGY
SCIENCE

Hard facts obtained by
experimental research
and validated by peers
…and more
SOCIAL RELATIONS                  • Power
                                  • Class
                                  • Gender
                                  • Flows of goods,
                                  capital, people
                                  • Values
                                  • Symbols
                                  • Materials
The creation and positioning of   • Resistance
social groups in relation to
other in a given society          • Transgression
                                  • ETC. ETC.
NARRATIVES


        Transmission of knowledge,
        values and believes for the
        reproduction or change of
        social relations …
NARRATIVES
… by any kind of means
CULTURE = COBWEB OF SHARED
               MEANINGS




Shared
meanings are
real and
symbolic too
What’s the cobweb of predictive
genetics?


                   So,
Cobweb of predictive genetics PDG/PCS
                                                      Religous and
                     Diseases that can               moral believes:
   Science and          be avoided
    research                                        whatis a human?
                                                                Brave new world
                                                                narratives & fears
                                                                  from present




Industry and
employment

                                         Patients
                                                       Brave new world
                                                          Marketing




                                                                       Fears from the
                                                                            past
Clifford Geertz and Cultures as text




Applying ethnography
and thik description to
predictive genetics
Ethnography of two clinics:
                                          London and Leeds

                                               Insight 1: creation and polarization of narratives
                                               • Doctors and scientists create a narrative of
                                               science fiction around PGD:
                                               - “brave new world”, “revolution of genomics”, “a
                                               world free of hereditary diseases”
                                               • Media react with narrative of designer baby
                                               and scientists going too far
                                               • Activists and patients associations react with
                                               narrative of eugenics and science playing god
          “Born and Made” authors
       Sarah Franklin and Celia Roberts
                                               • Politicians work with narratives of one or the
                                               other field
Methodology:                                   • Genetic determinism is the shared believe of
• Participant observation at two               researchers, physicians, activists, media and
 PGD centers in the UK                         politicians
• Interviews
• Media and policy analysis
Ethnography of two clinics:
                       London and Leeds
Insight 2: patients suffer; they do not want designer babies
• Patients come with a lot of previous suffering
- Miscarriages
- Infant death
- Living with a disabled child
• They do not express the wish of phenotype selection or other kind of
selection
• The driver for PGD is suffering
Ethnography of two clinics:
                            London and Leeds

Insight 3: patients are not in the center of
research
• Research is done for the patient, not with the
patient
• Marketing strategies reflect positivist
narratives of biosociety and genetic
determinism
• Marketing strategies are not built around
patient’s needs and suffering
• Service design is clinical centric, not patient
centric
Ethnography of two clinics:
                       London and Leeds
Insight 4: debate is oversimplified or overrationalised
• Researchers and physicians are also uncertain about the future
• They are far from genetic determinism and biosociety narratives
• Scientific progress is paradoxical and contradictory: it is no linear
• Futorology narratives are built by marketing departments and by media
• Public debate becomes thus oversimplified at media and overrationalised
at science
Ethnography of patients associations




Methodology:
• Participant observation at New Zealand Organization of
Rare Disorders NZORD
• In depth Interviews with families



                                                           Ruth Fitzgerald, author of Biological citizenship at
                                                            the periphery: parenting children with genetic
                                                                               disorders
Ethnography of patients associations


     Insight 1: Difficult relationship with biomedical
     sciences

     • Disabled people experience testing as if they
     could have been erased
     • Patients live their disease and disability as part
     of their identity they want to cure, but also not
     to be deleted
     • Medicine is seen both as a hope for cure and as
     a threat against identity
Ethnography of patients associations


Insight 2: Activism gives collective identity

• Living with disability is almost a military
campaign
-24 hour care
- Dealing with 30-40 government actors
- Dealing with the extended family for help
• Small victories in individual battles have
benefit for all the patient community
• Sense of pride and belonging: disease becomes   LAM (Lymphangioleiomyomatosis) charity
                                                  auction UK
identity
• Differences and fights among activists: “my
disease worse than yours, I have more right to
support”
Ethnography of patients associations


Insight 3: Differences private opinions
and behaviors vs. public opposition to
genetic testing
• In depth interviews show that all
activists love their children and fight for
them
• But most of them would never go again
through the experience
• Many would make a test now if given the
possibility
• Other lines of conflict:
-“what would my (born) children say if I
deprived them from life and did not do
everything for them?”
- versus “what would my (unborn) children
say if I brought them to a life of severe
suffering?”
Ethnography of patients associations

Insight 4: Ethical and religious
believes come rather from
experience, than from opinion
makers and churches
• Attitudes towards genetic testing
are deeply rooted in pursue of virtue
and “do the right thing”
• Opinion leaders and churches do
not play a key role
• Rather the personal experience of
suffering
• For some, “you find God in giving
yourself to those that are broken”
• Others get broken caring for their
children
• The decision making point are ideas
on human dignity and when an
embryo becomes a human being.
The politics of Human Embryo Research –
                Construction of the Human Fertilisation
                and Embryology Act 1990

       1978 first in vitro fertilisation baby



                                      1978 first use of PGD




1996 first cloned higher vertebrate             One of leading countries stem cell
                                                derivation
The politics of Human Embryo Research –
                     Construction of the Human Fertilisation
                     and Embryology Act 1990
                            Departing question of Mary Warnock for
                            the report

                            • What kind of society can we live in with a
                            clear conscience?

                            Premises to answer the question

                            1. Take seriously the diversity of moral
                               feelings
                            2. Barriers not to be crossed. No limits =
                               no scruples
Mary Warnock, 1990
                            3. Aknowledeg opposite views and get
                               maximum of consense
The politics of Human Embryo Research –
                     Construction of the Human Fertilisation
                     and Embryology Act 1990
A new social contract for bioscience

• Obtain the maximum of scientific innovation with the strongest
regulation

• Socially acceptable and socially unacceptable are categories that bring
us further than right or wrong
Breaking the cobweb – the logic of power


          1. Diane Wood’s husband, Stephen, dies of
             meningitis
          2. The physician takes without permission
             sperm from the corpse
          3. Diane Wood was legally prohibited to
             use it for pregnancy
          4. As a professional publicist she started an
             effective campaign with tabloid support
          5. She went to Belgium to get pregnant
             from Liam and later Joel
          6. 2002 she sued for puting Stephen’s
             name on her childrens birth certificate
             and won



                By her single action, Mrs. Wood
                broke the cobweb and forced the
                actor to position themselves .
Applications of ethnographic approaches
                      to predictive genetics
PUT THE PATIENT IN THE CENTER!




                                 • Patient experience maps WITH patients
                                   from the first pain until end of
                                   treatment

                                 • Patient experience far beyond clinic or
                                   hospital contact

                                 • New services and products created out
                                   of the maps in orther to overcome
                                   saturated channels and markets
Applications of ethnographic approaches
                      to predictive genetics
INVOLVE PATIENTS IN RESEARCH (and marketing)
Applications of ethnographic approaches
                   to predictive genetics
CROWDSOURCE COMPLEX RESEARCH PROJECTS
Applications of ethnographic approaches
                     to predictive genetics
CREATE PATIENT COMMUNITIES TO FIND THEIR REAL NEEDS AND CO-
DESIGN GENETIC TEST SERVICES / CLINICAL SERVICES

           On line                                  Real
CONCLUSIONS

1. Marketing narratives on genetics rise fears and create
   designer babies narratives

2. What patients says is one thing, what they do is another

3. Suffering and not baby design is the driver for PGD

4. “Science fiction” like marketing narratives are origined
   because patients are not in the center of research.

5. Patients, even disabled, don’t view predictive genetics as
   baby design or eugenesic
CONCLUSIONS



6. Good vs. bad to be stopped as argument: better acceptable
   and not acceptable

7. A close work with patiens in the research phase is
   important to see what is acceptable or what can be made
   acceptable, and what services can be co-designed.

8.   There are tools for patient involvement:
•    Patient community building
•    Patient driven / centered research
•    Crowdsourced research

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Genetic Diagnosis, ethnography and patient driven research

  • 1. New Horizons In Genetic Diagnosis Alicante, march 18th and 19th 2013 The Social Construction of Predictive Genetics and the Need for a Patient Driven Research An ethnographic approach to biomedical policy making in PGD/PCS - CARLOS BEZOS DALESKE -
  • 2. A simple car commercial can tell us a lot about our society
  • 3. A car is • A physical object • An important element of economy and social relations • A symbol
  • 4. Mechanics, Thermodynamics and Chemistry Manufacturers and Capital Advertising and branding
  • 5. SCIENCE SOCIAL RELATIONS NARRATIVES Mechanics, Manufacturers and Capital Advertising and Thermodynamics branding and Chemistry TECHNOLOGY
  • 6. SCIENCE Hard facts obtained by experimental research and validated by peers
  • 7. …and more SOCIAL RELATIONS • Power • Class • Gender • Flows of goods, capital, people • Values • Symbols • Materials The creation and positioning of • Resistance social groups in relation to other in a given society • Transgression • ETC. ETC.
  • 8. NARRATIVES Transmission of knowledge, values and believes for the reproduction or change of social relations …
  • 9. NARRATIVES … by any kind of means
  • 10. CULTURE = COBWEB OF SHARED MEANINGS Shared meanings are real and symbolic too
  • 11. What’s the cobweb of predictive genetics? So,
  • 12. Cobweb of predictive genetics PDG/PCS Religous and Diseases that can moral believes: Science and be avoided research whatis a human? Brave new world narratives & fears from present Industry and employment Patients Brave new world Marketing Fears from the past
  • 13. Clifford Geertz and Cultures as text Applying ethnography and thik description to predictive genetics
  • 14. Ethnography of two clinics: London and Leeds Insight 1: creation and polarization of narratives • Doctors and scientists create a narrative of science fiction around PGD: - “brave new world”, “revolution of genomics”, “a world free of hereditary diseases” • Media react with narrative of designer baby and scientists going too far • Activists and patients associations react with narrative of eugenics and science playing god “Born and Made” authors Sarah Franklin and Celia Roberts • Politicians work with narratives of one or the other field Methodology: • Genetic determinism is the shared believe of • Participant observation at two researchers, physicians, activists, media and PGD centers in the UK politicians • Interviews • Media and policy analysis
  • 15. Ethnography of two clinics: London and Leeds Insight 2: patients suffer; they do not want designer babies • Patients come with a lot of previous suffering - Miscarriages - Infant death - Living with a disabled child • They do not express the wish of phenotype selection or other kind of selection • The driver for PGD is suffering
  • 16. Ethnography of two clinics: London and Leeds Insight 3: patients are not in the center of research • Research is done for the patient, not with the patient • Marketing strategies reflect positivist narratives of biosociety and genetic determinism • Marketing strategies are not built around patient’s needs and suffering • Service design is clinical centric, not patient centric
  • 17. Ethnography of two clinics: London and Leeds Insight 4: debate is oversimplified or overrationalised • Researchers and physicians are also uncertain about the future • They are far from genetic determinism and biosociety narratives • Scientific progress is paradoxical and contradictory: it is no linear • Futorology narratives are built by marketing departments and by media • Public debate becomes thus oversimplified at media and overrationalised at science
  • 18. Ethnography of patients associations Methodology: • Participant observation at New Zealand Organization of Rare Disorders NZORD • In depth Interviews with families Ruth Fitzgerald, author of Biological citizenship at the periphery: parenting children with genetic disorders
  • 19. Ethnography of patients associations Insight 1: Difficult relationship with biomedical sciences • Disabled people experience testing as if they could have been erased • Patients live their disease and disability as part of their identity they want to cure, but also not to be deleted • Medicine is seen both as a hope for cure and as a threat against identity
  • 20. Ethnography of patients associations Insight 2: Activism gives collective identity • Living with disability is almost a military campaign -24 hour care - Dealing with 30-40 government actors - Dealing with the extended family for help • Small victories in individual battles have benefit for all the patient community • Sense of pride and belonging: disease becomes LAM (Lymphangioleiomyomatosis) charity auction UK identity • Differences and fights among activists: “my disease worse than yours, I have more right to support”
  • 21. Ethnography of patients associations Insight 3: Differences private opinions and behaviors vs. public opposition to genetic testing • In depth interviews show that all activists love their children and fight for them • But most of them would never go again through the experience • Many would make a test now if given the possibility • Other lines of conflict: -“what would my (born) children say if I deprived them from life and did not do everything for them?” - versus “what would my (unborn) children say if I brought them to a life of severe suffering?”
  • 22. Ethnography of patients associations Insight 4: Ethical and religious believes come rather from experience, than from opinion makers and churches • Attitudes towards genetic testing are deeply rooted in pursue of virtue and “do the right thing” • Opinion leaders and churches do not play a key role • Rather the personal experience of suffering • For some, “you find God in giving yourself to those that are broken” • Others get broken caring for their children • The decision making point are ideas on human dignity and when an embryo becomes a human being.
  • 23. The politics of Human Embryo Research – Construction of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 1978 first in vitro fertilisation baby 1978 first use of PGD 1996 first cloned higher vertebrate One of leading countries stem cell derivation
  • 24. The politics of Human Embryo Research – Construction of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 Departing question of Mary Warnock for the report • What kind of society can we live in with a clear conscience? Premises to answer the question 1. Take seriously the diversity of moral feelings 2. Barriers not to be crossed. No limits = no scruples Mary Warnock, 1990 3. Aknowledeg opposite views and get maximum of consense
  • 25. The politics of Human Embryo Research – Construction of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 A new social contract for bioscience • Obtain the maximum of scientific innovation with the strongest regulation • Socially acceptable and socially unacceptable are categories that bring us further than right or wrong
  • 26. Breaking the cobweb – the logic of power 1. Diane Wood’s husband, Stephen, dies of meningitis 2. The physician takes without permission sperm from the corpse 3. Diane Wood was legally prohibited to use it for pregnancy 4. As a professional publicist she started an effective campaign with tabloid support 5. She went to Belgium to get pregnant from Liam and later Joel 6. 2002 she sued for puting Stephen’s name on her childrens birth certificate and won By her single action, Mrs. Wood broke the cobweb and forced the actor to position themselves .
  • 27. Applications of ethnographic approaches to predictive genetics PUT THE PATIENT IN THE CENTER! • Patient experience maps WITH patients from the first pain until end of treatment • Patient experience far beyond clinic or hospital contact • New services and products created out of the maps in orther to overcome saturated channels and markets
  • 28. Applications of ethnographic approaches to predictive genetics INVOLVE PATIENTS IN RESEARCH (and marketing)
  • 29. Applications of ethnographic approaches to predictive genetics CROWDSOURCE COMPLEX RESEARCH PROJECTS
  • 30. Applications of ethnographic approaches to predictive genetics CREATE PATIENT COMMUNITIES TO FIND THEIR REAL NEEDS AND CO- DESIGN GENETIC TEST SERVICES / CLINICAL SERVICES On line Real
  • 31. CONCLUSIONS 1. Marketing narratives on genetics rise fears and create designer babies narratives 2. What patients says is one thing, what they do is another 3. Suffering and not baby design is the driver for PGD 4. “Science fiction” like marketing narratives are origined because patients are not in the center of research. 5. Patients, even disabled, don’t view predictive genetics as baby design or eugenesic
  • 32. CONCLUSIONS 6. Good vs. bad to be stopped as argument: better acceptable and not acceptable 7. A close work with patiens in the research phase is important to see what is acceptable or what can be made acceptable, and what services can be co-designed. 8. There are tools for patient involvement: • Patient community building • Patient driven / centered research • Crowdsourced research