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F&B Budgeting and
Negotiating Strategies
Presented by:
Paula J. Rigling, CMP
President
Meeting Planning Professionals
#YAYPYM
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Saving money on F&B starts at the very
beginning of the planning process, with the RFP.
!
If you sign the contract before considering F&B,
you lose your chance to negotiate.
#YAYPYM
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Saving Money Starts with the RFP
!
!
!
!
!
What are your F&B essentials?
#YAYPYM
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RFP F&B Concessions
• Rebates on rooms to apply toward F&B
• 10-15% overall F&B Discount
• Lock in current menu pricing
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RFP F&B Concessions
• Comp welcome reception or coffee break
• Waived bartender and cashier fees with
minimum bar sales
• Waived attendant fees for carving stations
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RFP F&B Concessions
• Food & Beverage Minimum – State your F&B
minimum, less 20% allowable a rition
(i.e., $30k F&B minimum X 20% a rition =
$24k final guarantee)
• Performance Damages – Based on lost profit, not
lost revenue
(i.e., $10k F&B revenue X 35% profit = $3500)
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RFP F&B Concessions
• No charge for less than minimum buffets
• No charge for Coke vs Pepsi products
• Minimum oversets of 5% vs 3%
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RFP F&B Concessions
• Reduced priced menus
( ie- $30 incl. for breakfast, $50 incl. for lunch)
• If you can’t get reduced pricing, negotiate
upgraded menus or beverages, as that is
sometimes easier to get
• Negotiate a corkage fee to bring in donated
beverages (the fee itself can also be negotiated)
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F&B Minimum
• Ask the hotel up-front what their F&B minimum is for
your dates – not your program
• This number varies based on the time of year.
• It’s a great number to have before you start negotiating.
• Let’s you see if the hotel is the right fit for you and gauge
if you have leverage with the hotel already built into your
budget
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F&B Maximum Clause
• Too o en we only worry about an F&B Minimum and
lose negotiating power if we have a history of a
higher F&B Spend
• Use your history to negotiate additional concessions
that will create real value for your group
!
“If we spend at least $20,000 on F&B, we’ll unlock
these additional concessions.”
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Money Saving Tips When Ordering
• Share your budget with the Chef and ask for special menus
to meet your pricing
• For larger groups, NEVER order per person for continental
breakfast or breaks, ALWAYS order a la carte as it is much
cheaper
– Exception: When ordering for a small group of less than
15-20 is it usually cheaper to pay per person than to
order a la carte
#YAYPYM
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Do the Math- Save Money at Continental Breakfast
!
For continental breakfast order:
• Regular Coffee- 1 gallon per 30 a endees
• Decaf Coffee- 1 gallon per 75 a endees
• Hot Water- 1 gallon per 100
• Sodas/Water- Order for 25% of group
• Pastries- Order for 75-90% of the group
#YAYPYM
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Do the Math- Save Money on Breaks
!
For breaks order:
• Regular Coffee- 1 gallon per 50 a endees
• Decaf Coffee- 1 gallon per 50 a endees
• Hot Water- 1 gallon per 100
• Sodas/Water- Order for 70% of group
#YAYPYM
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Do the Math- Save Money on Coffee
One gallon of coffee will serve the following:
• 21 6-oz cups
• 16 8-oz cups
• 10 12-oz cups
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Save Money on Breaks
• Skip the bottled water, and use hydration stations
• Ice down all bottled sodas and juice as people are less
likely to grab extras for their bag if they are dripping
wet
• Offer only one item at break — grab and go items work
great — whole fruit, protein bars
• Shrink the cups. Ask for 6 oz cups and eliminate “to go”
cups as they are usually larger
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Save Money at Meals
• Skip the juice on plated breakfasts and place ice
water on the tables instead
• Skip dessert at lunch, few people eat it
• Eliminate coffee at lunch
• Serve lunch dessert at the a ernoon break- those
same people who decline it at lunch will eat it at 3:00
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Save Money at Receptions
• For a hosted bar, offer limited options: beer,
wine and sodas are fine
• Get pricing for dra vs bo led beer
• Pass the Hors d’ Oeuvres instead of placing
them on a buffet, as people usually only take
one from a waiter but load up their plate
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Save Money at Receptions
• The more options you offer, the more likely people
are to take one of each
• Request smaller plates or no plates
• Fewer appetizer stations in a big room reduces
consumption.
!
Remember: A hosted bar increases consumption as people
stay longer …
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Do the Math- Save Money on Hors d’ Oeuvres
Length & Type of
Reception
 Type of Eaters
# pieces of

Hors d ’Oeuvres

Per Person
Less than 1.5 hours

with dinner following
Light

Medium

Heavy
4-5 pieces

7-8 pieces

10+ pieces
Less than 2 hours

with no dinner following
Light

Medium

Heavy
6-8 pieces

10-12 pieces

14+ pieces
2 to 3 hours with

no dinner following
Light

Medium

Heavy
8-10 pieces

10-12 pieces

16+ pieces
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Contact me:
Paula J. Rigling, CMP
President, Meeting Planning Professionals
pjrig@aol.com
512-791-4701

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F&B Budgeting Strategies

  • 1. #YAYPYM 1 F&B Budgeting and Negotiating Strategies Presented by: Paula J. Rigling, CMP President Meeting Planning Professionals
  • 2. #YAYPYM 2 Saving money on F&B starts at the very beginning of the planning process, with the RFP. ! If you sign the contract before considering F&B, you lose your chance to negotiate.
  • 3. #YAYPYM 3 Saving Money Starts with the RFP ! ! ! ! ! What are your F&B essentials?
  • 4. #YAYPYM 4 RFP F&B Concessions • Rebates on rooms to apply toward F&B • 10-15% overall F&B Discount • Lock in current menu pricing
  • 5. #YAYPYM 5 RFP F&B Concessions • Comp welcome reception or coffee break • Waived bartender and cashier fees with minimum bar sales • Waived attendant fees for carving stations
  • 6. #YAYPYM 6 RFP F&B Concessions • Food & Beverage Minimum – State your F&B minimum, less 20% allowable a rition (i.e., $30k F&B minimum X 20% a rition = $24k final guarantee) • Performance Damages – Based on lost profit, not lost revenue (i.e., $10k F&B revenue X 35% profit = $3500)
  • 7. #YAYPYM 7 RFP F&B Concessions • No charge for less than minimum buffets • No charge for Coke vs Pepsi products • Minimum oversets of 5% vs 3%
  • 8. #YAYPYM 8 RFP F&B Concessions • Reduced priced menus ( ie- $30 incl. for breakfast, $50 incl. for lunch) • If you can’t get reduced pricing, negotiate upgraded menus or beverages, as that is sometimes easier to get • Negotiate a corkage fee to bring in donated beverages (the fee itself can also be negotiated)
  • 9. #YAYPYM 9 F&B Minimum • Ask the hotel up-front what their F&B minimum is for your dates – not your program • This number varies based on the time of year. • It’s a great number to have before you start negotiating. • Let’s you see if the hotel is the right fit for you and gauge if you have leverage with the hotel already built into your budget
  • 10. #YAYPYM 10 F&B Maximum Clause • Too o en we only worry about an F&B Minimum and lose negotiating power if we have a history of a higher F&B Spend • Use your history to negotiate additional concessions that will create real value for your group ! “If we spend at least $20,000 on F&B, we’ll unlock these additional concessions.”
  • 11. #YAYPYM 11 Money Saving Tips When Ordering • Share your budget with the Chef and ask for special menus to meet your pricing • For larger groups, NEVER order per person for continental breakfast or breaks, ALWAYS order a la carte as it is much cheaper – Exception: When ordering for a small group of less than 15-20 is it usually cheaper to pay per person than to order a la carte
  • 12. #YAYPYM 12 Do the Math- Save Money at Continental Breakfast ! For continental breakfast order: • Regular Coffee- 1 gallon per 30 a endees • Decaf Coffee- 1 gallon per 75 a endees • Hot Water- 1 gallon per 100 • Sodas/Water- Order for 25% of group • Pastries- Order for 75-90% of the group
  • 13. #YAYPYM 13 Do the Math- Save Money on Breaks ! For breaks order: • Regular Coffee- 1 gallon per 50 a endees • Decaf Coffee- 1 gallon per 50 a endees • Hot Water- 1 gallon per 100 • Sodas/Water- Order for 70% of group
  • 14. #YAYPYM 14 Do the Math- Save Money on Coffee One gallon of coffee will serve the following: • 21 6-oz cups • 16 8-oz cups • 10 12-oz cups
  • 15. #YAYPYM 15 Save Money on Breaks • Skip the bottled water, and use hydration stations • Ice down all bottled sodas and juice as people are less likely to grab extras for their bag if they are dripping wet • Offer only one item at break — grab and go items work great — whole fruit, protein bars • Shrink the cups. Ask for 6 oz cups and eliminate “to go” cups as they are usually larger
  • 16. #YAYPYM 16 Save Money at Meals • Skip the juice on plated breakfasts and place ice water on the tables instead • Skip dessert at lunch, few people eat it • Eliminate coffee at lunch • Serve lunch dessert at the a ernoon break- those same people who decline it at lunch will eat it at 3:00
  • 17. #YAYPYM 17 Save Money at Receptions • For a hosted bar, offer limited options: beer, wine and sodas are fine • Get pricing for dra vs bo led beer • Pass the Hors d’ Oeuvres instead of placing them on a buffet, as people usually only take one from a waiter but load up their plate
  • 18. #YAYPYM 18 Save Money at Receptions • The more options you offer, the more likely people are to take one of each • Request smaller plates or no plates • Fewer appetizer stations in a big room reduces consumption. ! Remember: A hosted bar increases consumption as people stay longer …
  • 19. #YAYPYM 19 Do the Math- Save Money on Hors d’ Oeuvres Length & Type of Reception
 Type of Eaters # pieces of
 Hors d ’Oeuvres
 Per Person Less than 1.5 hours
 with dinner following Light
 Medium
 Heavy 4-5 pieces
 7-8 pieces
 10+ pieces Less than 2 hours
 with no dinner following Light
 Medium
 Heavy 6-8 pieces
 10-12 pieces
 14+ pieces 2 to 3 hours with
 no dinner following Light
 Medium
 Heavy 8-10 pieces
 10-12 pieces
 16+ pieces
  • 20. #YAYPYM 20 ! Contact me: Paula J. Rigling, CMP President, Meeting Planning Professionals pjrig@aol.com 512-791-4701