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The New Communication Applied to 
the Problem of Suicide in Families 
Suzanne Lamarre MD FRCPC DLFAPA 
Assistant Professor in McGill 
Department of Psychiatry
What’s the New Communication 
• Stems from Endocrinology, Physiology, 
Mathematics, Anthropology at the beginning of 
the 20th century 
• It’s about regulatory mechanisms and the change 
and stability of living systems and organisms 
• It has been called Cybernetics, a new 
transdisciplinary discipline 
• New communication is part of the systemic 
approach and family therapy theories in 
psychiatry
The double elements of any 
communication 
• Within any communication there is 
– a content (digital) (what I say) (telegram) 
– an incentive (analogic) (how I say it) 
• on the identity of the actors 
– “It is not what you say that bothers me it is the tone you use 
to say it” (You make me feel worthless by the way you talk to 
me) 
• on the attribution of responsibility 
– “You are asking me about my wish to die” 
“It means without saying it is your responsibility now to 
protect me from doing it and you should respect my rights”
Regulatory mechanisms within a relation 
between two persons communicating 
• Explosive type 
– Up-Down (dominant – submissive) 
– Rivalry or symmetrical 
• Counterbalanced or a mutuality relation 
– Always a possibility of a temporary rupture or 
STOP
The regulatory mechanisms in suicidal crisis 
1. Explosive relation between protector and protegee 
Suicide is a symptom to be controlled by the HCP who ends up 
controlling the suicidal person who opposes to the control of the 
protector in order to save his identity of an autonomous person 
2. Mutuality relation between 2 autonomous persons 
proposed by the HCP when addressing the Ethic of Reciprocity in 
the family meeting 
“how would you feel if your loved one in a state of distress would think of 
suicide as you do?” 
Let’s agree on this golden rule: “don’t do to others what you don’t want 
others do to you, killing your loved one” 
The reequilibrium is in a mutuality relation and a change 
in the values and in the ways to address problems
Installing the mutuality relation 
• A change in an explosive relation can only be 
brought up by a third party which usually is 
the HCP in a suicidal crisis
The catch 22 of the protector role 
Communication 
Doing more and more of the same until it 
explodes 
“I am despaired and I don’t want anyone to upset me more” 
“Leave me alone and don’t hurt me more” 
“Life cannot continue the way it is going” 
“Something needs to happen! An explosion” 
The HCP needs 
• to recognize the impossibility to be in this 
situation and 
• to take at first contact the role of the third party 
in addressing the explosive relation
New communication and autonomy 
• One cannot control someone’s mind 
– The unpredictability of an autonomous person 
• When someone thought of death as the only way out, 
it means this way out could be used again 
• The suicidal crisis is the key moment to address 
another way to manage problems among people who 
care about each other 
• There should be a place for everyone’s sensitivity as a 
human being by choosing values and behaviours 
– where interpersonal violence is excluded and 
– the need of interconnectedness is recognized
New values for a life without violence 
• Suicide is a violent, explosive, way to change a 
situation 
• New types of values and new ways in 
managing problems for a life without violence
1st phase 
• Safety aspects : context of self protection (no 
more violence) based on the engagement in 
the ethics of reciprocity where people adopt a 
new rule in their communication: RRAV-LR 
Rule of Respect of the Autonomy of everyone and Vulnerability 
(sensibility) – I can talk about my Limits to Reorganize the situation 
• Treatment aspects: a choice 
• New values to manage problems without 
interpersonal violence
2nd phase 
Applying new Values 
• See www. lasantementale.info
On the individual level 
Roads of victimization in 
a Protectionist context 
Roads toward a quality of 
life and ethic of 
reciprocity 
WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY 
Withdraw from others when in 
despair 1 
Reach out to others when in despair 
and manage problems in a different 
way 
Assume that depressive ideas and 
depressive mood don’t interact with 
each other 
2 
Practice mindfulness, stay grounded 
in the moment, and choose one’s 
thoughts 
Ignore brain neuroplasticity, 
communication and principles of 
relations, action recursivity and final 
causes 
3 
Count on brain plasticity: new 
patterns can emerge when one 
becomes aware of the contexts that 
maintain them 
Act impulsively or emotionally 4 Be aware of one’s emotion and deal 
with the frustration after reflection
Roads of victimization in 
a Protectionist context 
Roads toward a quality of 
life and ethic of 
reciprocity 
WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY 
Ignore the entrance pathway towards 
victimization and death 5 
S (STOP ) or STEP 
T (take a breath) 
O (observe) or E (explore) 
P (proceed) 
Change nothing and wait for someone to 
die 6 Put the problem on the table, mourn 
losses and let the brain process the info 
Ruminate on unfairness and continue with 
“I should have” or avoid those thoughts in 
engaging in dead ends 
7 
Forgive: decide to choose pleasant 
thoughts and moods – Get oriented to 
the future “I should” rather than anger 
Waste time on “why” – the initial cause of 
the problem – rather than identifying the 
final cause (the aim) 
8 
Switch quickly from “why” to “how” to 
reorganize the situation with others and 
foster collaboration to solve problems 
Burn out 9 
Be aware of energy renewal and 
feedback loops; get a perspective on 
relations to maintain peaceful and 
fulfilling contexts
Roads of victimization in 
a Protectionist context 
Roads toward a quality 
of life and ethic of 
reciprocity 
WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY 
Stay cornered in a protectionnist system 
(saviour’s role) by overprotecting the 
suffering one 
10 
Address oneself to a third party so as to 
change from a rule of the game a rule of 
collaboration and self-protection and for 
the ethics of reciprocity 
Avoid or hide problems, or look for guilty 
people to exclude or to punish 11 
A good leader acknowledges the 
existence of problems and installs a 
context for everyone to participate in 
solutions 
Maintain oneself in controlling, 
manipulative behaviours by being even 
more so, imposing solutions, blaming, 
and disqualifying others (see the wheel 
of victimization) 
12 
Become an expert in identifying 
dysfunctional, explosive systems by 
focusing on relations rather than on 
individuals 
Assume the right to bully and humiliate 
another for self defence 13 
Exclude all violence and explosive 
means for self protection and do time-out 
in love in case of tension. 
Blame oneself, blame others or let 
others blame us 14 
Recognize one’s mistakes and discuss 
how to repair with neither guilt nor 
shame.
Roads of victimization in 
a Protectionist context 
Roads toward a quality 
of life and ethic of 
reciprocity 
WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY 
Fall into wrongdoing that needs to be 
hidden, and engage in self denial and 
blackmailing 
15 Expect honesty and discretion and 
defuse all time bombs 
Force the other to agree so as to be ‘one 
of us’ 16 Love and collaboration does not mean 
having to say “yes” to every request. 
Compare oneself to others, be envious, 
maintain oneself in shameful and guilty 
feelings, continuously excuse oneself 
17 
Gain self confidence by accepting one’s 
own mistakes, without assuming the 
identity of the ‘bad boy’ or ‘bad girl’: be 
aware there is suffering in all action, but 
acting is much more interesting than 
waiting for the authorization to act. 
Keep trying to prove one’s value 18 Learn to risk trusting others, and expect 
others to reciprocate
Lessons to take home 
• Momentum for change 
– 1st psychiatric contact 
– Don’t let the suicidal loved one alone with the HCP 
– It is a key moment to change your way to care about each other 
and to manage problems 
• Real change 
– Relational rule 
• From controlling each other, to collaborating with each other 
• From overcompensation, to partnership in reciprocity 
• Who has the lever for bringing such a change? 
– The Health Care Professional and 
– When the reciprocity rule is adopted, the family including the 
suicidal one

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The New Communication Applied to the Problem of Suicide in Families

  • 1. The New Communication Applied to the Problem of Suicide in Families Suzanne Lamarre MD FRCPC DLFAPA Assistant Professor in McGill Department of Psychiatry
  • 2. What’s the New Communication • Stems from Endocrinology, Physiology, Mathematics, Anthropology at the beginning of the 20th century • It’s about regulatory mechanisms and the change and stability of living systems and organisms • It has been called Cybernetics, a new transdisciplinary discipline • New communication is part of the systemic approach and family therapy theories in psychiatry
  • 3. The double elements of any communication • Within any communication there is – a content (digital) (what I say) (telegram) – an incentive (analogic) (how I say it) • on the identity of the actors – “It is not what you say that bothers me it is the tone you use to say it” (You make me feel worthless by the way you talk to me) • on the attribution of responsibility – “You are asking me about my wish to die” “It means without saying it is your responsibility now to protect me from doing it and you should respect my rights”
  • 4. Regulatory mechanisms within a relation between two persons communicating • Explosive type – Up-Down (dominant – submissive) – Rivalry or symmetrical • Counterbalanced or a mutuality relation – Always a possibility of a temporary rupture or STOP
  • 5. The regulatory mechanisms in suicidal crisis 1. Explosive relation between protector and protegee Suicide is a symptom to be controlled by the HCP who ends up controlling the suicidal person who opposes to the control of the protector in order to save his identity of an autonomous person 2. Mutuality relation between 2 autonomous persons proposed by the HCP when addressing the Ethic of Reciprocity in the family meeting “how would you feel if your loved one in a state of distress would think of suicide as you do?” Let’s agree on this golden rule: “don’t do to others what you don’t want others do to you, killing your loved one” The reequilibrium is in a mutuality relation and a change in the values and in the ways to address problems
  • 6. Installing the mutuality relation • A change in an explosive relation can only be brought up by a third party which usually is the HCP in a suicidal crisis
  • 7. The catch 22 of the protector role Communication Doing more and more of the same until it explodes “I am despaired and I don’t want anyone to upset me more” “Leave me alone and don’t hurt me more” “Life cannot continue the way it is going” “Something needs to happen! An explosion” The HCP needs • to recognize the impossibility to be in this situation and • to take at first contact the role of the third party in addressing the explosive relation
  • 8. New communication and autonomy • One cannot control someone’s mind – The unpredictability of an autonomous person • When someone thought of death as the only way out, it means this way out could be used again • The suicidal crisis is the key moment to address another way to manage problems among people who care about each other • There should be a place for everyone’s sensitivity as a human being by choosing values and behaviours – where interpersonal violence is excluded and – the need of interconnectedness is recognized
  • 9. New values for a life without violence • Suicide is a violent, explosive, way to change a situation • New types of values and new ways in managing problems for a life without violence
  • 10. 1st phase • Safety aspects : context of self protection (no more violence) based on the engagement in the ethics of reciprocity where people adopt a new rule in their communication: RRAV-LR Rule of Respect of the Autonomy of everyone and Vulnerability (sensibility) – I can talk about my Limits to Reorganize the situation • Treatment aspects: a choice • New values to manage problems without interpersonal violence
  • 11. 2nd phase Applying new Values • See www. lasantementale.info
  • 12. On the individual level Roads of victimization in a Protectionist context Roads toward a quality of life and ethic of reciprocity WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY Withdraw from others when in despair 1 Reach out to others when in despair and manage problems in a different way Assume that depressive ideas and depressive mood don’t interact with each other 2 Practice mindfulness, stay grounded in the moment, and choose one’s thoughts Ignore brain neuroplasticity, communication and principles of relations, action recursivity and final causes 3 Count on brain plasticity: new patterns can emerge when one becomes aware of the contexts that maintain them Act impulsively or emotionally 4 Be aware of one’s emotion and deal with the frustration after reflection
  • 13. Roads of victimization in a Protectionist context Roads toward a quality of life and ethic of reciprocity WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY Ignore the entrance pathway towards victimization and death 5 S (STOP ) or STEP T (take a breath) O (observe) or E (explore) P (proceed) Change nothing and wait for someone to die 6 Put the problem on the table, mourn losses and let the brain process the info Ruminate on unfairness and continue with “I should have” or avoid those thoughts in engaging in dead ends 7 Forgive: decide to choose pleasant thoughts and moods – Get oriented to the future “I should” rather than anger Waste time on “why” – the initial cause of the problem – rather than identifying the final cause (the aim) 8 Switch quickly from “why” to “how” to reorganize the situation with others and foster collaboration to solve problems Burn out 9 Be aware of energy renewal and feedback loops; get a perspective on relations to maintain peaceful and fulfilling contexts
  • 14. Roads of victimization in a Protectionist context Roads toward a quality of life and ethic of reciprocity WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY Stay cornered in a protectionnist system (saviour’s role) by overprotecting the suffering one 10 Address oneself to a third party so as to change from a rule of the game a rule of collaboration and self-protection and for the ethics of reciprocity Avoid or hide problems, or look for guilty people to exclude or to punish 11 A good leader acknowledges the existence of problems and installs a context for everyone to participate in solutions Maintain oneself in controlling, manipulative behaviours by being even more so, imposing solutions, blaming, and disqualifying others (see the wheel of victimization) 12 Become an expert in identifying dysfunctional, explosive systems by focusing on relations rather than on individuals Assume the right to bully and humiliate another for self defence 13 Exclude all violence and explosive means for self protection and do time-out in love in case of tension. Blame oneself, blame others or let others blame us 14 Recognize one’s mistakes and discuss how to repair with neither guilt nor shame.
  • 15. Roads of victimization in a Protectionist context Roads toward a quality of life and ethic of reciprocity WHAT TO STOP DOING WHAT TO TRY Fall into wrongdoing that needs to be hidden, and engage in self denial and blackmailing 15 Expect honesty and discretion and defuse all time bombs Force the other to agree so as to be ‘one of us’ 16 Love and collaboration does not mean having to say “yes” to every request. Compare oneself to others, be envious, maintain oneself in shameful and guilty feelings, continuously excuse oneself 17 Gain self confidence by accepting one’s own mistakes, without assuming the identity of the ‘bad boy’ or ‘bad girl’: be aware there is suffering in all action, but acting is much more interesting than waiting for the authorization to act. Keep trying to prove one’s value 18 Learn to risk trusting others, and expect others to reciprocate
  • 16. Lessons to take home • Momentum for change – 1st psychiatric contact – Don’t let the suicidal loved one alone with the HCP – It is a key moment to change your way to care about each other and to manage problems • Real change – Relational rule • From controlling each other, to collaborating with each other • From overcompensation, to partnership in reciprocity • Who has the lever for bringing such a change? – The Health Care Professional and – When the reciprocity rule is adopted, the family including the suicidal one