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Dealing with Dilemmas
Being a male ‘feminist’ in a ‘patriarchal’ faith community
To critically reflect on modern theories of gender, culture,
power and authority, situated as a dilemma of identity and
performativity of gender, ethnicity and religion
Fr Timothy Curtis
A personal perspective- not speaking on behalf of the University of Northampton or the
Orthodox Church
• ‘We need to be open to exploring our own
inner attitudes, lurking deep inside, if we
are to have a critical engagement with the
world. Without this, our non-verbal
language projects our prejudices and
expectations, and sometimes this is the
opposite to
• what we say!’ (Ledwith, 2016)
What am I going to say about
sexism and gender?
What am I going to say about
religion?
Write a few notes about your
expectations of this session.
Orientation
• Religion
– Formal
– Structured
– Communal
– Doctrinal
• Spirituality
– Informal
– Unstructured
– Individual
– Experiential
Who am I?
Who are you?
What is God?
Gender
Culture
Body
Biology
Communion
OK, Christianity is sexist, right?
• I’m a male, that’s limiting
• I’m Christian, and that’s a
faith full of male priests
• I believe in a male God, or
do I?
• I certainly live in a feminist
world
• Am I even sure of that?
Starting point
• “Do not be conformed to this world, but
continually be transformed by the renewing of
your minds.” Romans 12:2
• I (as a Christian) stand as a challenge to the
norms of ‘the world’
• I (as a Christian) stand not to ‘be natural’ but to
be called to ‘be perfect’, knowing that I also fail
at that
• Raise up the ‘image and likeness of God’ in us
This is a complex area- I’m just looking at the principles
The Orthodox Church
The Christian ethical
revolution
“no imperfect or maimed child
should be brought up”
Who said this? (A, Politics, Book VII: ch.16)
100 aborted babies in sewers
discovered by archaeologists while excavating a
Roman bathhouse in Ashkelon, 1990
Gender imbalance in the Roman Empire
• 131 males to 100 females in the city of Rome
• 140 males to 100 females in Italy, Asia Minor and North
Africa
• ‘By prohibiting all forms of infanticide and abortion,
Christians removed major causes of the gender
imbalance that existed among pagans’ (Rodney Stark)
The status of women in the
Roman world
• Many girls were married at puberty and often before
• Girls received little or no education
• A woman was the legal property of some man at all
stages of her life
• Men could divorce a woman simply by ordering her out
of the house
Low sexual mores were reinforced by a male
culture that held marriage in low esteem
• Men often resorted to prostitutes
• Female prostitutes were common
• There were many male prostitutes, as
bisexuality and homosexuality were
widespread
Revolutionary impact of the
Judaeo-Christian ethic
• It raised the status of women
• It gave value to human life
• It bestowed on marriage qualities of friendship and
equality
• It condemned promiscuity in men and women equally
• It stressed the mutual obligations of husbands and wives
• It transformed marriage into a love relationship
Remember Gramsci’s concept of hegemonic power?
But now……with the help of sociology
• The accusation of misogyny comes from,
above all, Western feminists referring to
the Latin traditions from Augustine to
Thomas Aquinas and Bonaventure
• Sociologists looking from outside (Weber,
Durkheim, Marx)
– Weber’s notion of traditional and charismatic
authority
• Focussed on visible power and authority
i.e. not Foucault’s notion of power, or Boulding’s 1989 concept of integrative power
An old, old question
• Genesis 1:27-28 and Galatians
3:27-28 are found at the heart of the
Fathers’ anthropological meditation:
– "The woman possesses, just as the
man, the privilege of having been
created in the image of God. Both their
natures are equally honourable,"
• Basil the Great’s (4th
century) reply to
a woman whose own doubts led her
to question him on this topic.
Genesis 1:27-28
• So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
• And God blessed them. And God said to
them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the
earth and subdue it and have dominion
over the fish of the sea and over the birds
of the heavens and over every living thing
that moves on the earth.”
These statements seem to fly in the face of ‘modern’ theories of performed gender
Galatians 3:27-28
• For all of you who were baptized into
Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free man, there is neither
male nor female; for you are all one in
Christ Jesus.
• Does that mean we ignore ‘female’ in
preference for a male ‘normality’?
• Gregory of Nazianzus
(also 4th
Century) proclaims,
• "The same creator for man and for
woman, for both the same clay, the same
image, the same death, the same
resurrection.“
• Being- essentialist biological difference
• Becoming- orientation, experience of maleness
So, why can’t women be priests?
• This concept of ‘priest’ is a very narrow concept of the
Christian life and ministry
• It assumes that the only valid form of ministry (cf life) is
priest.
• A priest exists only to administer some sacraments i.e.
sacerdote- to offer the gifts
• All Christians participate in all sacraments (more than 7)
• Pastoral care is different from sacerdotal function
• The priest models (ikon), in place of Jesus, the
relationship between God and Jesus, a male relationship
• The model of the relationship between Mary and Jesus
(mother/woman and son/deity) has a different character
and function
I am not relying on these for my argument:
• Jesus chose only male disciples
• That God had to become a man to
operate in patriarchal Jerusalem society
• That the bible does not exclude women
from ordained ministry
• Jesus was male, therefore priests have to
be male- why not also Jewish?
• It's because ancient people were dumb,
we're wiser now.
Society at the time was not misogynist
• It is unhistorical and simply false to say that in Jesus' day
priestesses would have been unacceptable to people at
large.
• Jesus never hesitated to violate cultural taboos (John
5:1-18).
• He spoke to women in public (John 4:4-42; 8:3-11).
• The first witnesses of his Resurrection were women
(passim).
• Furthermore, the lands around the Mediterranean
teemed with religions with priestesses.
– The famed Vestal Virgins of Rome were priestesses.
– There was a priestess functioning at Delphi.
– The Sybil was a priestess and the many temple prostitutes were
priestesses
• Existence of priestesses in nearby religions was not
exceptional
St Paul understood…
• There have always been queens and
princesses, and now there are female
prime ministers and presidents.
• BUT
• In terms of human functions, a woman can
no more be a priest than a man can be a
mother (biological function).
• So the ‘priest’ pertains to the essential biology……..his
‘being’ not his ‘becoming’…???
Bad St Paul, the misogynist
• Women be submissive and silent in church (1 Timothy
2:11-15 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35).
• Yet Paul honours many women in active ministry, like
the deaconess Phoebe (Romans 16:1).
• And he hails Euodia, Synteche (1 Corinthians 4:2-3) and
Prisca (Romans 16:3) as synergoi (fellow-workers) in the
gospel.
• Vocal prophetesses are found everywhere in the Bible,
from Moses' sister Miriam (Exodus 15:20) to the four
daughters of St. Philip (Acts 21:9).
• The prophetess Anna spoke out in the temple, telling
everyone about the child Christ (Luke 2:36-38).
• cf Silence = hesychia
It’s a question of scale…
• We have some semantic confusion here, because many
things people think are restricted to clergy are done by
Orthodox laity.
• We have women saints who were missionary
evangelists, church-planters, teachers, healers,
preachers, apologists, spiritual mothers, counselors,
miracle-workers, martyrs, iconographers,
hymnographers, and theologians.
• Holy women do virtually everything men do, except
stand at the altar (and men are excluded from adult
female baptism preparation- deaconesses).
• That leaves the rest of the world—which is where most
of God's work gets done.
St. Theodora the Empress
• Actress, sex worker and
empress
• Joannes Laurentius Lydus,
remarked that she was
"superior in intelligence to any
man".
• Justinian clearly recognized
this as well, allowing her to
share his throne and take
active part in decision making.
• exercised authority over both
men and women,
• brought a triumphant end to
the destruction of icons.
• St. Nina, a 14-year-
old slave, evangelized
the entire nation of
Georgia.
• St. Mary Magdalene,
St. Helen, and others
are called "Equal to
the Apostles."
• A common title in the
Orthodox church,
never used in the
west
• St. Catherine and St.
Perpetua were brilliant
debaters.
• put to the sword. "But
Perpetua, that she might
have some taste of pain,
was pierced between the
bones and shrieked out;
and when the
swordsman's hand
wandered still (for he was
a novice), herself set it
upon her own neck.
But on the other hand.........
• The Fathers of the Church’s egalitarianism
is “situated in the ..completeness of the
end of time, when genital sexuality will be
transcended”. Women in the Orthodox Church Elisabeth Behr-Sigel
• Monasticism anticipates this
completeness: transcending genital
sexuality
• Even married life is expected to ultimately
transcend genital sexuality
Fr Alexander Schmemann
• “This priesthood is Christ's, not ours. None
of us, man or woman, has any "right" to it;
it is emphatically not one of human
vocations, analogous, even if superior, to
all others.” Rev. Dr. Schmemann
Tatiana Goricheva:
• "Here I had to exert all my efforts in trying to explain how our
Russian "feminism" became religious and why it is that only in the
Church can today's Russian woman find freedom and consolation;
only there does she receive strength for life and spiritual struggle.
Even now it is the Church alone which takes on problems unique to
women.
• “We saw that social changes would not liberate either men or
women unless they were connected with the main thing, with the
spiritual revolution which was taking place in every soul and
throughout society. We said that women could only be free in the
Church.
• http://www.roca.org/OA/37/37k.htm
• doctoral student of philosophy at the University of
Leningrad, exiled to Vienna 1980
Implications
• Do we follow our own interpretation of a
faith community’s beliefs? (i.e. our beliefs
are superior & universal)
• Or do we follow their own account of those
beliefs, because all beliefs are equal?
(relativism)
• Is sexism an intrinsic part of the belief of
Christianity, or are Christians, in practice,
about as sexist as everyone else?
• How do you balance belief and practice?
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Dealing with dilemmas feminism in a patriarchal church Jan 2017

  • 1. Dealing with Dilemmas Being a male ‘feminist’ in a ‘patriarchal’ faith community To critically reflect on modern theories of gender, culture, power and authority, situated as a dilemma of identity and performativity of gender, ethnicity and religion Fr Timothy Curtis A personal perspective- not speaking on behalf of the University of Northampton or the Orthodox Church
  • 2. • ‘We need to be open to exploring our own inner attitudes, lurking deep inside, if we are to have a critical engagement with the world. Without this, our non-verbal language projects our prejudices and expectations, and sometimes this is the opposite to • what we say!’ (Ledwith, 2016)
  • 3. What am I going to say about sexism and gender? What am I going to say about religion? Write a few notes about your expectations of this session.
  • 4. Orientation • Religion – Formal – Structured – Communal – Doctrinal • Spirituality – Informal – Unstructured – Individual – Experiential Who am I? Who are you? What is God? Gender Culture Body Biology Communion
  • 5. OK, Christianity is sexist, right? • I’m a male, that’s limiting • I’m Christian, and that’s a faith full of male priests • I believe in a male God, or do I? • I certainly live in a feminist world • Am I even sure of that?
  • 6. Starting point • “Do not be conformed to this world, but continually be transformed by the renewing of your minds.” Romans 12:2 • I (as a Christian) stand as a challenge to the norms of ‘the world’ • I (as a Christian) stand not to ‘be natural’ but to be called to ‘be perfect’, knowing that I also fail at that • Raise up the ‘image and likeness of God’ in us This is a complex area- I’m just looking at the principles
  • 8.
  • 9. The Christian ethical revolution “no imperfect or maimed child should be brought up” Who said this? (A, Politics, Book VII: ch.16)
  • 10. 100 aborted babies in sewers discovered by archaeologists while excavating a Roman bathhouse in Ashkelon, 1990
  • 11. Gender imbalance in the Roman Empire • 131 males to 100 females in the city of Rome • 140 males to 100 females in Italy, Asia Minor and North Africa • ‘By prohibiting all forms of infanticide and abortion, Christians removed major causes of the gender imbalance that existed among pagans’ (Rodney Stark)
  • 12. The status of women in the Roman world • Many girls were married at puberty and often before • Girls received little or no education • A woman was the legal property of some man at all stages of her life • Men could divorce a woman simply by ordering her out of the house
  • 13. Low sexual mores were reinforced by a male culture that held marriage in low esteem • Men often resorted to prostitutes • Female prostitutes were common • There were many male prostitutes, as bisexuality and homosexuality were widespread
  • 14. Revolutionary impact of the Judaeo-Christian ethic • It raised the status of women • It gave value to human life • It bestowed on marriage qualities of friendship and equality • It condemned promiscuity in men and women equally • It stressed the mutual obligations of husbands and wives • It transformed marriage into a love relationship Remember Gramsci’s concept of hegemonic power?
  • 15. But now……with the help of sociology • The accusation of misogyny comes from, above all, Western feminists referring to the Latin traditions from Augustine to Thomas Aquinas and Bonaventure • Sociologists looking from outside (Weber, Durkheim, Marx) – Weber’s notion of traditional and charismatic authority • Focussed on visible power and authority i.e. not Foucault’s notion of power, or Boulding’s 1989 concept of integrative power
  • 16. An old, old question • Genesis 1:27-28 and Galatians 3:27-28 are found at the heart of the Fathers’ anthropological meditation: – "The woman possesses, just as the man, the privilege of having been created in the image of God. Both their natures are equally honourable," • Basil the Great’s (4th century) reply to a woman whose own doubts led her to question him on this topic.
  • 17. Genesis 1:27-28 • So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. • And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” These statements seem to fly in the face of ‘modern’ theories of performed gender
  • 18. Galatians 3:27-28 • For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. • Does that mean we ignore ‘female’ in preference for a male ‘normality’?
  • 19. • Gregory of Nazianzus (also 4th Century) proclaims, • "The same creator for man and for woman, for both the same clay, the same image, the same death, the same resurrection.“ • Being- essentialist biological difference • Becoming- orientation, experience of maleness
  • 20. So, why can’t women be priests? • This concept of ‘priest’ is a very narrow concept of the Christian life and ministry • It assumes that the only valid form of ministry (cf life) is priest. • A priest exists only to administer some sacraments i.e. sacerdote- to offer the gifts • All Christians participate in all sacraments (more than 7) • Pastoral care is different from sacerdotal function • The priest models (ikon), in place of Jesus, the relationship between God and Jesus, a male relationship • The model of the relationship between Mary and Jesus (mother/woman and son/deity) has a different character and function
  • 21. I am not relying on these for my argument: • Jesus chose only male disciples • That God had to become a man to operate in patriarchal Jerusalem society • That the bible does not exclude women from ordained ministry • Jesus was male, therefore priests have to be male- why not also Jewish? • It's because ancient people were dumb, we're wiser now.
  • 22. Society at the time was not misogynist • It is unhistorical and simply false to say that in Jesus' day priestesses would have been unacceptable to people at large. • Jesus never hesitated to violate cultural taboos (John 5:1-18). • He spoke to women in public (John 4:4-42; 8:3-11). • The first witnesses of his Resurrection were women (passim). • Furthermore, the lands around the Mediterranean teemed with religions with priestesses. – The famed Vestal Virgins of Rome were priestesses. – There was a priestess functioning at Delphi. – The Sybil was a priestess and the many temple prostitutes were priestesses • Existence of priestesses in nearby religions was not exceptional
  • 23. St Paul understood… • There have always been queens and princesses, and now there are female prime ministers and presidents. • BUT • In terms of human functions, a woman can no more be a priest than a man can be a mother (biological function). • So the ‘priest’ pertains to the essential biology……..his ‘being’ not his ‘becoming’…???
  • 24. Bad St Paul, the misogynist • Women be submissive and silent in church (1 Timothy 2:11-15 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35). • Yet Paul honours many women in active ministry, like the deaconess Phoebe (Romans 16:1). • And he hails Euodia, Synteche (1 Corinthians 4:2-3) and Prisca (Romans 16:3) as synergoi (fellow-workers) in the gospel. • Vocal prophetesses are found everywhere in the Bible, from Moses' sister Miriam (Exodus 15:20) to the four daughters of St. Philip (Acts 21:9). • The prophetess Anna spoke out in the temple, telling everyone about the child Christ (Luke 2:36-38). • cf Silence = hesychia
  • 25. It’s a question of scale… • We have some semantic confusion here, because many things people think are restricted to clergy are done by Orthodox laity. • We have women saints who were missionary evangelists, church-planters, teachers, healers, preachers, apologists, spiritual mothers, counselors, miracle-workers, martyrs, iconographers, hymnographers, and theologians. • Holy women do virtually everything men do, except stand at the altar (and men are excluded from adult female baptism preparation- deaconesses). • That leaves the rest of the world—which is where most of God's work gets done.
  • 26. St. Theodora the Empress • Actress, sex worker and empress • Joannes Laurentius Lydus, remarked that she was "superior in intelligence to any man". • Justinian clearly recognized this as well, allowing her to share his throne and take active part in decision making. • exercised authority over both men and women, • brought a triumphant end to the destruction of icons.
  • 27. • St. Nina, a 14-year- old slave, evangelized the entire nation of Georgia.
  • 28. • St. Mary Magdalene, St. Helen, and others are called "Equal to the Apostles." • A common title in the Orthodox church, never used in the west
  • 29. • St. Catherine and St. Perpetua were brilliant debaters. • put to the sword. "But Perpetua, that she might have some taste of pain, was pierced between the bones and shrieked out; and when the swordsman's hand wandered still (for he was a novice), herself set it upon her own neck.
  • 30. But on the other hand......... • The Fathers of the Church’s egalitarianism is “situated in the ..completeness of the end of time, when genital sexuality will be transcended”. Women in the Orthodox Church Elisabeth Behr-Sigel • Monasticism anticipates this completeness: transcending genital sexuality • Even married life is expected to ultimately transcend genital sexuality
  • 31. Fr Alexander Schmemann • “This priesthood is Christ's, not ours. None of us, man or woman, has any "right" to it; it is emphatically not one of human vocations, analogous, even if superior, to all others.” Rev. Dr. Schmemann
  • 32. Tatiana Goricheva: • "Here I had to exert all my efforts in trying to explain how our Russian "feminism" became religious and why it is that only in the Church can today's Russian woman find freedom and consolation; only there does she receive strength for life and spiritual struggle. Even now it is the Church alone which takes on problems unique to women. • “We saw that social changes would not liberate either men or women unless they were connected with the main thing, with the spiritual revolution which was taking place in every soul and throughout society. We said that women could only be free in the Church. • http://www.roca.org/OA/37/37k.htm • doctoral student of philosophy at the University of Leningrad, exiled to Vienna 1980
  • 33. Implications • Do we follow our own interpretation of a faith community’s beliefs? (i.e. our beliefs are superior & universal) • Or do we follow their own account of those beliefs, because all beliefs are equal? (relativism) • Is sexism an intrinsic part of the belief of Christianity, or are Christians, in practice, about as sexist as everyone else? • How do you balance belief and practice?