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Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




                                   Designer Babies
                                                 Yes or No?




강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱,
배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
Introduction(1)
We‟re smart and intelligent… But we still have problems
Introduction(2)
You might want to choose..




       Blue Eyes???                      World Star???
                        Non-Smoking???
Introduction(3)
Are we to play God??
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




                                   Designer Babies
                                                 Yes or No?




강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱,
배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




찬성의견1 ;
질병을 고칠 수 있는 이득이 있다


Arguments #1 For
There are benefits of being able to
cure disease



정수황
Poll




  Many parents want to
  choose for their child‟s
  traits
PGD?
(Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis)




    It takes place before implantation




   To search for genetic mutations
   that could develop into a
   chronic disease.
List of disorders that could be treated using PGD
Phone call with Lisa Nash




        Lisa Nash
Which lifestyle would you wish
your children to have?
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견1
현재 맞춤아기 기술은 질병치료에 사용하기는 부족하다



Against 1
It is too early to apply current „designer
baby‟ technology for medical purposes



강성민
No technique that guarantees 100%

     Genetic diseases are   Usually determined by
                                                    Hard to distinguish
      not Y/N problems      not static properties
                                                    diseased embryo
                            (ex. Hormones)


                               Distributed
                               properties
             or
No technique that guarantees 100%

As a result of probability calculation, many
healthy babies would be dead




               Probability                     Would be dead
               Calculation
No technique that guarantees 100%
Genetic disease is not caused by only
one gene


     Dangerous!
                                                      gene2


                                        gene1



                                                              gene3

                                                Genetic
                                                Disease




          Some tests are dangerous       Not caused by one gene
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




찬성의견2 ;
기술적인 문제는 해결될 수 있다.


Arguments #1 For
Technical problems can be resolved




구태균
Example of Amazing Technical Improvement




     Who could imagine we could
     throw an object to thousands
     kilometers away?
Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #1
Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #2
Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #3




     Human Genome Project
Cost required to sequence individual human genome
We will provide
Genome Analysis for
5000 dollars.
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




                                   Designer Babies
                                                 Yes or No?




강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱,
배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
What if the technology
      develops?
If it becomes available?
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견2
맞춤아기는 계급의 발생을 초래한다 – 사회적 측면

Designer babies lead to a discriminative “class-
oriented” society




                        이남일
Movie GATTACA (1997)
Movie GATTACA (1997)
Hierarchy Generation




                       Negative Cycle
Gap Between Classes

The gap in society as it exists today will get wider
Cost required to sequence individual human genome
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




찬성의견3
경제적인 측면에서 맞춤아기는 발전해야 한다

Arguments #3 For
From the economic perspective, designer
babies should be developed



발표자 ; 배재완
Cost of PGD vs Cost of medical
treatment

PGD is more economical than medical treatment
Cost of PGD vs Cost of medical
treatment

                 PGD                Medical treatment
     • IVF ($ 10,000)           •   Antibiotic treatment
     • ICSI ($ 1,500 ~ 2,500)   •   Gene therapy
     • Embryo biopsy            •   Chest therapy
       ($ 1,500 ~ 2,500)        •   Drug
                     •                         •
                     •                         •
                     •                         •
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견3
윤리학적인 측면에서 맞춤아기는 실행될 수 없다.
Against #3.
From an ethical perspective, „designer babies‟
should not be permitted..




권동욱
Money vs. Life(1)


       Do you really think that the economic
       advantages overwhelm the value of lives?
Money vs. Life(2)

                           We must not try to
   Life is much valuable
                           compare life w/
   than Money
                           money
Designer Baby as an Accessory


   Parents expect their child as a product
   or accessory for their tastes.
Disposal of Designer Babies
8 Stage cell is not a Life


Implantation is even not occurred.
We do not consider it as a baby.



     Numerous 8 stage cells died
     naturally (not intended)




     It‟s just a material for
     research.
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Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견4
장애인들이 현재보다 더 소외될 것이다.
Against #4.
The disabled will become even more
isolated and discriminated upon.




유태선
Process


The disabled will become even more isolated and discriminated upon.




       Be more                 National            Overall condition
      minor class             Support will         for the disabled
                               decrease              gets worse
The disorder problem would not be changed.

                                             Consumer Reports
                                             : N. 소비자고발




     Disorder
  (90% is acquired)
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




찬성의견5
자식에게 좋은 조건을 제공해주는 것은 부모의 당연한 책임이다.

As parents, it is a dutiful responsibility to provide their
children with the best possible conditions.




전승제
Parents do For their kid..


Parents do their best for their Offspring




  Mencius
  : N. 맹자

  Like that!
Parents‟ Mind ; Mencius mother 3-times moving


Parents do their best for their Offspring




  Mencius Mother
  : N. 맹모

  Mencius Mother 3-
  times Moving
  : 맹모삼천지교

  Like that!
Designing is Reasonable


Design their baby is parent‟s authority
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견5
아이들도 자신의 인생을 선택할 권리가 있다.
Against #5.
The children, too, have the rights to
make their own decisions.




성영제
Video Clip – My Sister‟s Keeper (2009)
Deaf Choose Deaf?




                    Story of Lesbian couple
                    with hearing disorder

                    Deaf not obstacle
Fundamental right

Designer baby ignore the most fundamental right for human
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




                                   Designer Babies
                                                 Yes or No?




강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱,
배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




반대의견6
진화론적으로 생물의 다양성을 감소시킨다.
Against #6.
The diversity of living organisms will
decrease from an evolutionary perspective




김승민
Evolution Aspects(1)

Designer Baby would be design to have contemporary good
genetic character

       Why am I           Genetically
     looks so fat?        Recombine




                             SLIM




                                                FAT       SLIM
                              SLIM

          Now
Evolution Aspects(2)

This Unstable gene pool would cause extinction or
bottleneck effect

                                                Only Fat People would
                                                survive in glacial epoch




                                Glacial Epoch




        FAT         SLIM
                                                  FAT           SLIM
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




찬성의견6
보기 좋은 떡이...

Designer baby is real evolution




배재완
Which world do you want?




             VS
Which world do you want?




             VS
Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park
Final Presentation




CONCLUSION
Yes or No?



강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱,
배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
Arguments   FOR             PGD


                  Technological prospect


                     Economic benefits


                  Parents‟ rights to choose


                    World full of perfect
                        people! :)
Arguments   AGAINST     Unreliable technology


                           “Class” society


                          Babies = product

             EYES
                       Handicap discrimination
             FACE

             BODY
                      Child‟s freedom restrained
             IQ

             EQ
Yes? No? => Need for boundaries




       YES                        NO
What‟s Your Verdict?




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KAIST 2011 Fall semester_REVST_Designer Baby presentation

  • 1. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation Designer Babies Yes or No? 강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱, 배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
  • 2. Introduction(1) We‟re smart and intelligent… But we still have problems
  • 3. Introduction(2) You might want to choose.. Blue Eyes??? World Star??? Non-Smoking???
  • 5. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation Designer Babies Yes or No? 강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱, 배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
  • 6. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 찬성의견1 ; 질병을 고칠 수 있는 이득이 있다 Arguments #1 For There are benefits of being able to cure disease 정수황
  • 7. Poll Many parents want to choose for their child‟s traits
  • 8. PGD? (Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis) It takes place before implantation To search for genetic mutations that could develop into a chronic disease.
  • 9. List of disorders that could be treated using PGD
  • 10. Phone call with Lisa Nash Lisa Nash
  • 11. Which lifestyle would you wish your children to have?
  • 12. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견1 현재 맞춤아기 기술은 질병치료에 사용하기는 부족하다 Against 1 It is too early to apply current „designer baby‟ technology for medical purposes 강성민
  • 13. No technique that guarantees 100% Genetic diseases are Usually determined by Hard to distinguish not Y/N problems not static properties diseased embryo (ex. Hormones) Distributed properties or
  • 14. No technique that guarantees 100% As a result of probability calculation, many healthy babies would be dead Probability Would be dead Calculation
  • 15. No technique that guarantees 100% Genetic disease is not caused by only one gene Dangerous! gene2 gene1 gene3 Genetic Disease Some tests are dangerous Not caused by one gene
  • 16. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 찬성의견2 ; 기술적인 문제는 해결될 수 있다. Arguments #1 For Technical problems can be resolved 구태균
  • 17. Example of Amazing Technical Improvement Who could imagine we could throw an object to thousands kilometers away?
  • 18. Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #1
  • 19.
  • 20. Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #2
  • 21. Technological foundations to create „designer babies‟ #3 Human Genome Project
  • 22. Cost required to sequence individual human genome
  • 23. We will provide Genome Analysis for 5000 dollars.
  • 24. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation Designer Babies Yes or No? 강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱, 배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
  • 25. What if the technology develops? If it becomes available?
  • 26. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견2 맞춤아기는 계급의 발생을 초래한다 – 사회적 측면 Designer babies lead to a discriminative “class- oriented” society 이남일
  • 29. Hierarchy Generation Negative Cycle
  • 30. Gap Between Classes The gap in society as it exists today will get wider
  • 31. Cost required to sequence individual human genome
  • 32. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 찬성의견3 경제적인 측면에서 맞춤아기는 발전해야 한다 Arguments #3 For From the economic perspective, designer babies should be developed 발표자 ; 배재완
  • 33. Cost of PGD vs Cost of medical treatment PGD is more economical than medical treatment
  • 34. Cost of PGD vs Cost of medical treatment PGD Medical treatment • IVF ($ 10,000) • Antibiotic treatment • ICSI ($ 1,500 ~ 2,500) • Gene therapy • Embryo biopsy • Chest therapy ($ 1,500 ~ 2,500) • Drug • • • • • •
  • 35. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견3 윤리학적인 측면에서 맞춤아기는 실행될 수 없다. Against #3. From an ethical perspective, „designer babies‟ should not be permitted.. 권동욱
  • 36. Money vs. Life(1) Do you really think that the economic advantages overwhelm the value of lives?
  • 37. Money vs. Life(2) We must not try to Life is much valuable compare life w/ than Money money
  • 38. Designer Baby as an Accessory Parents expect their child as a product or accessory for their tastes.
  • 40. 8 Stage cell is not a Life Implantation is even not occurred. We do not consider it as a baby. Numerous 8 stage cells died naturally (not intended) It‟s just a material for research.
  • 41. 41
  • 42. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견4 장애인들이 현재보다 더 소외될 것이다. Against #4. The disabled will become even more isolated and discriminated upon. 유태선
  • 43. Process The disabled will become even more isolated and discriminated upon. Be more National Overall condition minor class Support will for the disabled decrease gets worse
  • 44. The disorder problem would not be changed. Consumer Reports : N. 소비자고발 Disorder (90% is acquired)
  • 45. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 찬성의견5 자식에게 좋은 조건을 제공해주는 것은 부모의 당연한 책임이다. As parents, it is a dutiful responsibility to provide their children with the best possible conditions. 전승제
  • 46. Parents do For their kid.. Parents do their best for their Offspring Mencius : N. 맹자 Like that!
  • 47. Parents‟ Mind ; Mencius mother 3-times moving Parents do their best for their Offspring Mencius Mother : N. 맹모 Mencius Mother 3- times Moving : 맹모삼천지교 Like that!
  • 48. Designing is Reasonable Design their baby is parent‟s authority
  • 49. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견5 아이들도 자신의 인생을 선택할 권리가 있다. Against #5. The children, too, have the rights to make their own decisions. 성영제
  • 50. Video Clip – My Sister‟s Keeper (2009)
  • 51. Deaf Choose Deaf? Story of Lesbian couple with hearing disorder Deaf not obstacle
  • 52. Fundamental right Designer baby ignore the most fundamental right for human
  • 53. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation Designer Babies Yes or No? 강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱, 배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
  • 54. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 반대의견6 진화론적으로 생물의 다양성을 감소시킨다. Against #6. The diversity of living organisms will decrease from an evolutionary perspective 김승민
  • 55. Evolution Aspects(1) Designer Baby would be design to have contemporary good genetic character Why am I Genetically looks so fat? Recombine SLIM FAT SLIM SLIM Now
  • 56. Evolution Aspects(2) This Unstable gene pool would cause extinction or bottleneck effect Only Fat People would survive in glacial epoch Glacial Epoch FAT SLIM FAT SLIM
  • 57. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation 찬성의견6 보기 좋은 떡이... Designer baby is real evolution 배재완
  • 58. Which world do you want? VS
  • 59. Which world do you want? VS
  • 60.
  • 61. Revolutions in Science & Tech. Professor Mina Park Final Presentation CONCLUSION Yes or No? 강성민, 성영제, 유태선, 이남일, 김승민, 권동욱, 배재완, 정수황, 전승제, 황대희, 구태균
  • 62. Arguments FOR PGD Technological prospect Economic benefits Parents‟ rights to choose World full of perfect people! :)
  • 63. Arguments AGAINST Unreliable technology “Class” society Babies = product EYES Handicap discrimination FACE BODY Child‟s freedom restrained IQ EQ
  • 64. Yes? No? => Need for boundaries YES NO