Verizon's 2013 Data Breach Report found that 76% of network intrusions exploit weak or stolen credentials, 84% of compromises take minutes or hours, and 66% of breaches lie undiscovered for months. The 2013 Mandiant Report identified the Chinese military group PLA Unit 61398 as the most prolific hacking group and documented the longest persistent attack at 4 years and 10 months. The discussion addressed how to make compliance more effective, get ahead of organized cyber crime, defend against advanced persistent threats from nation states, and whether active defense through hacking back is possible.