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Reforming the House of Lords
Learning Objectives
• To understand the reforms implemented
  under Tony Blair
• To understand the reforms implemented
  under Gordon Brown
• To understand the reforms proposed under
  the Coalition
The House of Lords
• Probably the most debated aspect of
  parliamentary reform is that of the House of
  Lords, which remains a totally non-elected
  second chamber.
• What changes have been introduced so far
  and what are the main arguments surrounding
  the second chamber becoming elected or
  partially elected?
Reforms so far…
• The Labour Party has long called for reform of the
  House of Lords. Labour MPs particularly have
  resented their legitimate authority being
  challenged by non-elected peers who are
  accountable to no one.
• The Blair government moved to cut the number
  of hereditary peers down to 92 as part of a
  reform bill introduced in 1999, but many Labour
  backbenchers expected much swifter and more
  decisive measures and were disappointed by the
  governments response.
Future plans for the House of Lords
•   Stalling of Reforms
•   Criticisms of the Lords Reforms
•   Should the Lords be elected?
•   Abolishing the second chamber
•   The Coalition & the HofL
Options for Reform
• Why is reform still necessary?
• Reforms stalled after stage 1 – House of Lords
  is still undemocratic and lacks authority
No Change
Remove the House of Lords
An All Elected Chamber
An All Appointed Chamber
Partly Appointed-Partly Elected Chamber
No Change
Those who advocate no change argue that the
House of Lords has proved to be effective as it is
(see list of recent action) - it would be unwise to
make reforms which may have unknown
consequences.
Those who argue against this point to the fact
that the HoL is unrepresentative and it is no
longer tolerable to have such an undemocratic
institution legislating in this modern age.
For                                        Against

 The current HoL compliments the HoC as it            It remains undemocratic and lacks
        has a different composition                       legitimacy and accountability


  The expertise and experience in the HoL is
            essential for scrutiny


There is less party influence - this is crucial for
                     scrutiny


   The problem if it were elected at general
  election time under same voting system =
likely to have same composition = no conflict
    and would become a rubber stamping
institution HOWEVER if elected at a different
  time with a different system = likely to be
     stalemate because both houses have
             democratic legitimacy
Remove the House of Lords
• It would be possible to remove the HoL
    altogether and to have a Unicameral system
    as they do in Denmark and in New Zealand.
•   The House of Commons has already
    demonstrated that they are not in favour of
    a unicameral system (2007 votes = majority
    of 253 in favour of retaining a second
    chamber.
For                                   Against

A second chamber is not needed in UK has too big a population for a
a unitary system and anyway it can unicameral system - New Zealand
             only delay                 has less than 10 million


                                         Scrutiny needs to be carried out by
 A reformed House of Commons
                                          a second chamber with less party
  could be given more time for
                                            control/influence and it needs
            scrutiny
                                                      more time



It works efficiently in countries like
                                           There is little support for theis
    Denmark and Sweden, New
                                                         option
         Zealand and Israel
An All Elected Chamber
•   Those that argue for a fully elected chamber
    point to the fact that this would be democratic
    and therefore more accountable. It would act
    as a more effective check on the Executive
•   Those who argue against it state that the new
    HoL might simply mirror the HoC and therefore
    it would serve no purpose - if a Govt. had a
    majority in both houses it would have far too
    much power.
For                                                   Against

     Democratic legitimacy - it would be more
democratic -It is the only way to guarantee that the     Specialist Knowledge - Advantage of appointed 2nd
HoL would be accountable to the people – this is the     Chamber = people can be chosen because they are
          only basis for legitimate rule.                             specialists/have experience



Wider representation - 2 elected chambers would
                                                        Gridlocked Govt - Two co-equal chambers = paralysis.
widen the basis of representation (different voting
                                                         There would be rivalry between them and between
 systems/terms/election dates/constituencies) =
                                                                   the Executive and Parliament.
         strengthen democratic process

Better Legislation - non elected basis of current HoL Complementary Chambers - 2 chambers = advantage
restricts its role as a revising chamber. If elected –   because can carry out different roles - only one of
  popular authority would enable it to exercise        these chambers needs to be popularly elected for this
               greater powers of scrutiny                                    to work

                                                        Dangers of Partisanship - Any elected chamber will be
Checking the Commons - Only an elected body can
                                                         dominated by the Party ‘hacks’ - an appointed 2nd
      properly check another elected body
                                                            chamber would have reduced partisanship

 Ending Executive Tyranny - Exec dominates HoC. If
HoL = elected (especially on basis of PR) it would be      Less Decisive Govt. - an elected HoL with more
  more powerful/have greater authority = better                authority might impede decisive Govt.
                       check
For                                                    Against


                                                         Descriptive Representation - Elected Peers might have
  Elimination of any corrupt practices/cronyism in         popular authority - but it would be hard to ensure
               appointment of Lords                       that they reflected society as a whole - this could be
                                                                     done through appointed Peers




Move with the times - a fully elected chamber could Voter Apathy - Too many elections might lead to voter
           be changed at election time                                 fatigue/apathy



                                                         Composition - if elected at same time as HoC and
elected on a regional basis = If this were the case it   using same voting method = likely to be the same
      would enable the regions to have more            composition = will become a rubber stamp HOWEVER
                  representation                          if voted by different method at different time =
                                                           different composition = likely to be stalemate

Another way of seeking redress for citizens - if their      Primacy? - If both chambers are democratically
        ‘Lord’ was democratically elected                          elected - which takes primacy?

  More Responsive to public mood - therefore may
increase public support for the govt. and faith in our
           system after recent scandals
An All Appointed Chamber
• Those who favour this option argue that it
    would help to bring high quality members
    into the legislative process and avoid giving
    too much power to the second chamber (as
    this would obstruct effective government)
•   Those who argue against this option state
    that it would merely preserve the
    undemocratic nature of the HoL and would
    also extend the patronage of party leaders
For                              Against

 Opportunity to bring people into
                                  Could put too much power into the
 political process who would not
                                   hands of those who appoint the
   otherwise want to stand for
                                   Lords - could lead to corruption
              election


Membership could be controlled to
      ensure that all major         It is undemocratic and holds back
groups/associations in society are progress towards a modern system
          represented


                                   it might lack legitimacy and public
 It can bring more independents
                                    support because the people have
     into the political process
                                       no part in its composition
Partly Appointed-Partly Elected
                 Chamber
• Those who argue for this option claim that
    it would combine the advantages of the
    two systems
•   Those who argue against it state that it
    would only be a compromise - the system
    would be only partially democratic and it
    would reserve the power of patronage
For                               Against


   Legitimacy and democratic         Still undemocratic and therefore
representation would be provided          lacking in legitimacy and
     without losing expertise                   accountability



     It would ensure a good
   gender/ethnic mix of Lords




It would retain the primacy of the
               HoC
EXAM FOCUS
Question 2: Parliament
a) With reference to the source, what changes
   to the second chamber are proposed? (5)
b) With reference to the source, and your own
   knowledge, explain the arguments for a fully
   or partly elected second chamber. (10)
c) Make out a case against an elected second
   chamber. (25)
(Total for Question 2 = 40 marks)
Q2 Parliament
White Paper on reform of the House of Lords
This White Paper sets out the government’s proposals for a reformed second chamber of the UK Parliament. The
proposals are based on the House of Commons votes for an 80% or 100% elected second chamber and follow cross-
party talks on how this could be achieved. The White Paper makes proposals for reform in a number of areas:
Role and composition
The House of Lords plays a valuable role in holding the government to account and revising legislation. The reforms
would strengthen those roles and make the second chamber more accountable. The House of Commons would
continue to be the
primary chamber in the UK legislature.
Membership of the chamber
The proposed reforms would create a second chamber with directly elected members, which would be smaller than
the House of Commons. The remaining rights of hereditary peers to sit and vote in the second chamber would be
removed.
Powers of the new chamber
The government proposes no changes to the powers of a reformed second chamber.
The possible role of appointed members to ensure independence
If it is decided that there should be a 20% appointed element, the government proposes that its key purpose would
be to provide a significant independent element in the second chamber. A statutory appointments commission
would seek nominations and applications for membership. The government is also proposing changes to the
arrangements for eligibility, remuneration and accountability.
Source: White Paper, An Elected Second Chamber, July 14, 2008.

a)      With reference to the source, what changes to the second chamber are proposed? (5)
b)      With reference to the source, and your own knowledge, explain the arguments for a fully or partly elected
        second chamber. (10)
c)      Make out a case against an elected second chamber. (25)
(Total for Question 2 = 40 marks)
Homework
• Remember you owe an exam question for
  Thursday (28th – same day as History Dress up
  Day, I’m going as Oliver Cromwell btw)

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Reforming the House of Lords

  • 2. Learning Objectives • To understand the reforms implemented under Tony Blair • To understand the reforms implemented under Gordon Brown • To understand the reforms proposed under the Coalition
  • 3. The House of Lords • Probably the most debated aspect of parliamentary reform is that of the House of Lords, which remains a totally non-elected second chamber. • What changes have been introduced so far and what are the main arguments surrounding the second chamber becoming elected or partially elected?
  • 4. Reforms so far… • The Labour Party has long called for reform of the House of Lords. Labour MPs particularly have resented their legitimate authority being challenged by non-elected peers who are accountable to no one. • The Blair government moved to cut the number of hereditary peers down to 92 as part of a reform bill introduced in 1999, but many Labour backbenchers expected much swifter and more decisive measures and were disappointed by the governments response.
  • 5. Future plans for the House of Lords • Stalling of Reforms • Criticisms of the Lords Reforms • Should the Lords be elected? • Abolishing the second chamber • The Coalition & the HofL
  • 6. Options for Reform • Why is reform still necessary? • Reforms stalled after stage 1 – House of Lords is still undemocratic and lacks authority No Change Remove the House of Lords An All Elected Chamber An All Appointed Chamber Partly Appointed-Partly Elected Chamber
  • 7. No Change Those who advocate no change argue that the House of Lords has proved to be effective as it is (see list of recent action) - it would be unwise to make reforms which may have unknown consequences. Those who argue against this point to the fact that the HoL is unrepresentative and it is no longer tolerable to have such an undemocratic institution legislating in this modern age.
  • 8. For Against The current HoL compliments the HoC as it It remains undemocratic and lacks has a different composition legitimacy and accountability The expertise and experience in the HoL is essential for scrutiny There is less party influence - this is crucial for scrutiny The problem if it were elected at general election time under same voting system = likely to have same composition = no conflict and would become a rubber stamping institution HOWEVER if elected at a different time with a different system = likely to be stalemate because both houses have democratic legitimacy
  • 9. Remove the House of Lords • It would be possible to remove the HoL altogether and to have a Unicameral system as they do in Denmark and in New Zealand. • The House of Commons has already demonstrated that they are not in favour of a unicameral system (2007 votes = majority of 253 in favour of retaining a second chamber.
  • 10. For Against A second chamber is not needed in UK has too big a population for a a unitary system and anyway it can unicameral system - New Zealand only delay has less than 10 million Scrutiny needs to be carried out by A reformed House of Commons a second chamber with less party could be given more time for control/influence and it needs scrutiny more time It works efficiently in countries like There is little support for theis Denmark and Sweden, New option Zealand and Israel
  • 11. An All Elected Chamber • Those that argue for a fully elected chamber point to the fact that this would be democratic and therefore more accountable. It would act as a more effective check on the Executive • Those who argue against it state that the new HoL might simply mirror the HoC and therefore it would serve no purpose - if a Govt. had a majority in both houses it would have far too much power.
  • 12. For Against Democratic legitimacy - it would be more democratic -It is the only way to guarantee that the Specialist Knowledge - Advantage of appointed 2nd HoL would be accountable to the people – this is the Chamber = people can be chosen because they are only basis for legitimate rule. specialists/have experience Wider representation - 2 elected chambers would Gridlocked Govt - Two co-equal chambers = paralysis. widen the basis of representation (different voting There would be rivalry between them and between systems/terms/election dates/constituencies) = the Executive and Parliament. strengthen democratic process Better Legislation - non elected basis of current HoL Complementary Chambers - 2 chambers = advantage restricts its role as a revising chamber. If elected – because can carry out different roles - only one of popular authority would enable it to exercise these chambers needs to be popularly elected for this greater powers of scrutiny to work Dangers of Partisanship - Any elected chamber will be Checking the Commons - Only an elected body can dominated by the Party ‘hacks’ - an appointed 2nd properly check another elected body chamber would have reduced partisanship Ending Executive Tyranny - Exec dominates HoC. If HoL = elected (especially on basis of PR) it would be Less Decisive Govt. - an elected HoL with more more powerful/have greater authority = better authority might impede decisive Govt. check
  • 13. For Against Descriptive Representation - Elected Peers might have Elimination of any corrupt practices/cronyism in popular authority - but it would be hard to ensure appointment of Lords that they reflected society as a whole - this could be done through appointed Peers Move with the times - a fully elected chamber could Voter Apathy - Too many elections might lead to voter be changed at election time fatigue/apathy Composition - if elected at same time as HoC and elected on a regional basis = If this were the case it using same voting method = likely to be the same would enable the regions to have more composition = will become a rubber stamp HOWEVER representation if voted by different method at different time = different composition = likely to be stalemate Another way of seeking redress for citizens - if their Primacy? - If both chambers are democratically ‘Lord’ was democratically elected elected - which takes primacy? More Responsive to public mood - therefore may increase public support for the govt. and faith in our system after recent scandals
  • 14. An All Appointed Chamber • Those who favour this option argue that it would help to bring high quality members into the legislative process and avoid giving too much power to the second chamber (as this would obstruct effective government) • Those who argue against this option state that it would merely preserve the undemocratic nature of the HoL and would also extend the patronage of party leaders
  • 15. For Against Opportunity to bring people into Could put too much power into the political process who would not hands of those who appoint the otherwise want to stand for Lords - could lead to corruption election Membership could be controlled to ensure that all major It is undemocratic and holds back groups/associations in society are progress towards a modern system represented it might lack legitimacy and public It can bring more independents support because the people have into the political process no part in its composition
  • 16. Partly Appointed-Partly Elected Chamber • Those who argue for this option claim that it would combine the advantages of the two systems • Those who argue against it state that it would only be a compromise - the system would be only partially democratic and it would reserve the power of patronage
  • 17. For Against Legitimacy and democratic Still undemocratic and therefore representation would be provided lacking in legitimacy and without losing expertise accountability It would ensure a good gender/ethnic mix of Lords It would retain the primacy of the HoC
  • 18. EXAM FOCUS Question 2: Parliament a) With reference to the source, what changes to the second chamber are proposed? (5) b) With reference to the source, and your own knowledge, explain the arguments for a fully or partly elected second chamber. (10) c) Make out a case against an elected second chamber. (25) (Total for Question 2 = 40 marks)
  • 19. Q2 Parliament White Paper on reform of the House of Lords This White Paper sets out the government’s proposals for a reformed second chamber of the UK Parliament. The proposals are based on the House of Commons votes for an 80% or 100% elected second chamber and follow cross- party talks on how this could be achieved. The White Paper makes proposals for reform in a number of areas: Role and composition The House of Lords plays a valuable role in holding the government to account and revising legislation. The reforms would strengthen those roles and make the second chamber more accountable. The House of Commons would continue to be the primary chamber in the UK legislature. Membership of the chamber The proposed reforms would create a second chamber with directly elected members, which would be smaller than the House of Commons. The remaining rights of hereditary peers to sit and vote in the second chamber would be removed. Powers of the new chamber The government proposes no changes to the powers of a reformed second chamber. The possible role of appointed members to ensure independence If it is decided that there should be a 20% appointed element, the government proposes that its key purpose would be to provide a significant independent element in the second chamber. A statutory appointments commission would seek nominations and applications for membership. The government is also proposing changes to the arrangements for eligibility, remuneration and accountability. Source: White Paper, An Elected Second Chamber, July 14, 2008. a) With reference to the source, what changes to the second chamber are proposed? (5) b) With reference to the source, and your own knowledge, explain the arguments for a fully or partly elected second chamber. (10) c) Make out a case against an elected second chamber. (25) (Total for Question 2 = 40 marks)
  • 20. Homework • Remember you owe an exam question for Thursday (28th – same day as History Dress up Day, I’m going as Oliver Cromwell btw)