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Price and Value
Why successful investing starts with understanding their differences
                                                           Alec Hogg
Investment stool’s legs


  “Life is difficult”
   • Opening sentence of Scott Peck’s bestseller The Road Less Travelled



  “Life is random”
   • Theme of Nassim Taleb’s masterpiece Fooled by Randomness



  “Life is complex”
   • Opening sentence of Scott Peck’s Further Along The Road Less Travelled
Which means……


 Nobody knows the future
 Plan for the unexpected
 Build in redundancy




Successful investing begins once you accept the reality that
            life is complex, difficult and random
Ok, so now what?



        Option 1                              Option 2
  Delegate responsibility             Invest like you mean it

 “For the know-nothing investor,     “Nobody cares as much about
    nothing beats ETFs…..”             your money as you do….”

                        WE Buffett                           Anon
But either way, realise
 you’re in for the long
  haul – investment
 success is usually a
   function of time
Where you start makes all the
difference


    Two key variables



  PRICE
  is what you pay…
                                     VALUE
                                …is what you get
Price v Value (1)

RETAILERS     Share price ©   HEPS ©   Profit/R100 invested

Foschini            7555        521           R6.90

Woolworths          2641        164           R6.21

Truworths           6800        378           R5.56

Pick n Pay          4365        236           R5.41

Shoprite            9750        455           R4.67

Massmart            14795       567           R3.83
Price v Value (2)

BANKS           Share price ©   HEPS ©   Profit/R100 invested
Mercantile            21          4.1          R19.52

Sasfin              3650          355           R9.73

Investec Ltd        5810          496           R8.54

Firstrand            2118         180           R8.50

Absa                13400        1099           R8.20

Standard Bank       10889         771           R7.08

Nedbank             14605        1010           R6.92

Abil                3560          225           R6.32

Capitec             14700         527           R3.59
Price v Value (3)

CONSTRUCTION   Share price ©   HEPS ©   Profit/R100 invested

Basil Read           1190        333          R27.98

Group 5             3600         614          R17.06

WBHO                12225       1747          R14.29

Aveng               4300         483          R11.23

M&R                 4351         341           R7.84
Entry price is critical

Assuming a stock bought today trades at R100 per share in
                    five years’ time:

  Buy it now at R50: compound return 15%pa
  Buy it now at R40: compound return 20%pa
  Buy it now at R33: compound return 25%pa
The eighth wonder of the world –
Compound interest!


 How R10 000 grows over 25 years

          at 5% pa                  R33 863.55

          at 7.5% pa                R60 983.40

          at 10% pa                R108 347.06

          at 12% pa                R170 000.64

          at 15% pa                R329 189.53
Fractions matter


 How time makes us look smart
  How R10 000 grows              At 10%          At 15%
       5 years                  R16 105.10     R20 113.57

       10 years                 R25 937.42     R40 455.58

       15 years                 R41 772.48     R81 370.62

       20 years                 R67 275.00    R163 665.37

       25 years             R108 347.06       R329 189.53

       30 years             R174 494.02       R662 117.72

       35 years             R281 024.37      R1 331 775.20
As a rule of thumb…




                    Over 15 years,
     each five percentage points annual extra return
         doubles the value of your investment

       And trebles it over 25 years!
Myth busting


Charting:
  Imagine buying a company this week because its value
  randomly increased last week – but that’s what chartists
  suggest you do with shares that have risen on volume!
Myth busting


Diversification:
  “Put all your eggs into one basket, and then watch the
  basket carefully. Do not scatter your shot. The great
  successes of life are made by concentration.”
                                              Andrew Carnegie,
      The bobbin boy who became the world’s greatest industrialist
Myth busting


Outsource:
  “The really big fortunes from common stocks have
  been made by people who packed all their money into
  one investment they know supremely well.”
                                                Benjamin Graham,
     author of The Intelligent Investor; mentor of Warren E Buffett
Thank you
  Alec Hogg

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Moneyweb Investment Seminars - Alec Hogg

  • 1. Price and Value Why successful investing starts with understanding their differences Alec Hogg
  • 2. Investment stool’s legs “Life is difficult” • Opening sentence of Scott Peck’s bestseller The Road Less Travelled “Life is random” • Theme of Nassim Taleb’s masterpiece Fooled by Randomness “Life is complex” • Opening sentence of Scott Peck’s Further Along The Road Less Travelled
  • 3. Which means…… Nobody knows the future Plan for the unexpected Build in redundancy Successful investing begins once you accept the reality that life is complex, difficult and random
  • 4. Ok, so now what? Option 1 Option 2 Delegate responsibility Invest like you mean it “For the know-nothing investor, “Nobody cares as much about nothing beats ETFs…..” your money as you do….” WE Buffett Anon
  • 5. But either way, realise you’re in for the long haul – investment success is usually a function of time
  • 6. Where you start makes all the difference Two key variables PRICE is what you pay… VALUE …is what you get
  • 7. Price v Value (1) RETAILERS Share price © HEPS © Profit/R100 invested Foschini 7555 521 R6.90 Woolworths 2641 164 R6.21 Truworths 6800 378 R5.56 Pick n Pay 4365 236 R5.41 Shoprite 9750 455 R4.67 Massmart 14795 567 R3.83
  • 8. Price v Value (2) BANKS Share price © HEPS © Profit/R100 invested Mercantile 21 4.1 R19.52 Sasfin 3650 355 R9.73 Investec Ltd 5810 496 R8.54 Firstrand 2118 180 R8.50 Absa 13400 1099 R8.20 Standard Bank 10889 771 R7.08 Nedbank 14605 1010 R6.92 Abil 3560 225 R6.32 Capitec 14700 527 R3.59
  • 9. Price v Value (3) CONSTRUCTION Share price © HEPS © Profit/R100 invested Basil Read 1190 333 R27.98 Group 5 3600 614 R17.06 WBHO 12225 1747 R14.29 Aveng 4300 483 R11.23 M&R 4351 341 R7.84
  • 10. Entry price is critical Assuming a stock bought today trades at R100 per share in five years’ time: Buy it now at R50: compound return 15%pa Buy it now at R40: compound return 20%pa Buy it now at R33: compound return 25%pa
  • 11. The eighth wonder of the world – Compound interest! How R10 000 grows over 25 years at 5% pa R33 863.55 at 7.5% pa R60 983.40 at 10% pa R108 347.06 at 12% pa R170 000.64 at 15% pa R329 189.53
  • 12. Fractions matter How time makes us look smart How R10 000 grows At 10% At 15% 5 years R16 105.10 R20 113.57 10 years R25 937.42 R40 455.58 15 years R41 772.48 R81 370.62 20 years R67 275.00 R163 665.37 25 years R108 347.06 R329 189.53 30 years R174 494.02 R662 117.72 35 years R281 024.37 R1 331 775.20
  • 13. As a rule of thumb… Over 15 years, each five percentage points annual extra return doubles the value of your investment And trebles it over 25 years!
  • 14. Myth busting Charting: Imagine buying a company this week because its value randomly increased last week – but that’s what chartists suggest you do with shares that have risen on volume!
  • 15. Myth busting Diversification: “Put all your eggs into one basket, and then watch the basket carefully. Do not scatter your shot. The great successes of life are made by concentration.” Andrew Carnegie, The bobbin boy who became the world’s greatest industrialist
  • 16. Myth busting Outsource: “The really big fortunes from common stocks have been made by people who packed all their money into one investment they know supremely well.” Benjamin Graham, author of The Intelligent Investor; mentor of Warren E Buffett
  • 17. Thank you Alec Hogg