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Can Structured Metadata Play
Nice with Tagging Systems?
  Parsing New Meanings From Classification-
    Based Descriptions on Flickr Commons

          Museums & the Web 2010
                4.15.2010
             Joseph B. Dalton
Metadata In A New Context?
www.flickr.com/photos/luciusyg/3292841265/
Our Content
User Generated Content
Let’s Talk Ontology (Really?)




                   www.flickr.com/photos/the_widget/169644838/
Conforming Data to the Model




“... defining models and persuading
providers of information to understand
them, and to make the information they
provide conform to them.”

- Michel Biezunski. Reflections from Advancing Topic Maps:
  Maintenance of Concept Integrity as Names Change, 2007
Conforming Model to the Data




“The consideration of any piece of
information either as data or metadata is a
question of perspective ... and many data
can be both ...
Which Makes More Sense?




... the idea is to take whatever information
is available, and, with or without the
provider’s cooperation, to try to make one
or more kinds of sense out of it.”

- Michel Biezunski
© the rut. 2008 http://bigeyedeer.wordpress.com
Our Inherited Data Model




www.flickr.com/photos/www_317537_com/367506056
Our Inherited Data Model: Pre-RDMS
Card Catalog: Nested Subject Headings

 Archaeological sites -- Syria -- Damascus ...
Card-catalog (1-dimens) vs. RDMS data
                   Debates and debating, Intercollegiate
                  -or-

                   Debates and Debating
                   Intercollegiate
                  -or-
                  Debates
                  Debating
                  Intercollegiate
Laser Precision vs. Flexible Data

Americans -- Employment -- New York (State) -- New
 York -- 1900-1909
Facets As Data Delimiters

Americans -- Employment -- New York (State) -- New
 York -- 1900-1909

  Tag Data:

 1900s
 Americans
 Employment
 New York
 New York State
CAN Subject Headings Be Tags ?


A Few Hurdles

• Integrate structured metadata with tagging
  systems
• Will meanings be lost in shifting models?
• Will users contribute tags to pre-tagged
  items?
Looking For Term Patterns


•   Parse terms in subject by punctuation
     –   term 1 – term 2 (term 3) – term 4

•   Becomes:
     –   term 1
     –   term 2
     –   term 3
     –   term 4
Looking For Commas


•   Commas can be tricky
     –   Zinzendorf, Nicolaus Ludwig, Graf von, 1700-1760
     –   Alexandra, Queen, consort of Edward VII, King of Great
         Britain, 1844-1925


•   Most names are more like:
     –   Washington, George
Looking For Phrases


•   Archaic and dated phrases may need an
    agreed upon conversion:

    – “Homes and haunts”
    – “City and Town Life,”
    – etc.
Subject Headings As Tags
Will Users Add Their Tags Too?


• Environment Needs to Encourage Tagging
• Flickr Commons Users Highly Motivated to
  Participate
Can Users Add Value?
Can Users Add Value?
Tags Only Used By NYPL
Tags From Users & NYPL
Tags Only From Users
Lesson 1. Web Is Not A Catalog (Yet)


•   Set your terms free
    (but if they’re still weird, that’s OK)

•   If terms don’t fit, don’t upload them
Lesson 2. Learn From Users


•   Flickr’s 200+ million users and 6+ billion
    photos: Use them!
People, Content & Context
Flickr User Model v0.3




 www.flickr.com/photos/bryce/58299511/
Thanks!

Questions, Feedback: jdalton@nypl.org

New York Public Library
Strategic Planning
188 Madison Ave., 4th Fl.
New York, NY 10016

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MW2010: Joe Dalton, Can Structured Metadata Play Nice with Tagging Systems? Parsing New Meanings From Classification-Based Descriptions on Flickr Commons

  • 1. Can Structured Metadata Play Nice with Tagging Systems? Parsing New Meanings From Classification- Based Descriptions on Flickr Commons Museums & the Web 2010 4.15.2010 Joseph B. Dalton
  • 2.
  • 3. Metadata In A New Context?
  • 4.
  • 8. Let’s Talk Ontology (Really?) www.flickr.com/photos/the_widget/169644838/
  • 9. Conforming Data to the Model “... defining models and persuading providers of information to understand them, and to make the information they provide conform to them.” - Michel Biezunski. Reflections from Advancing Topic Maps: Maintenance of Concept Integrity as Names Change, 2007
  • 10. Conforming Model to the Data “The consideration of any piece of information either as data or metadata is a question of perspective ... and many data can be both ...
  • 11. Which Makes More Sense? ... the idea is to take whatever information is available, and, with or without the provider’s cooperation, to try to make one or more kinds of sense out of it.” - Michel Biezunski
  • 12. © the rut. 2008 http://bigeyedeer.wordpress.com
  • 13. Our Inherited Data Model www.flickr.com/photos/www_317537_com/367506056
  • 14. Our Inherited Data Model: Pre-RDMS
  • 15. Card Catalog: Nested Subject Headings Archaeological sites -- Syria -- Damascus ...
  • 16. Card-catalog (1-dimens) vs. RDMS data Debates and debating, Intercollegiate -or- Debates and Debating Intercollegiate -or- Debates Debating Intercollegiate
  • 17. Laser Precision vs. Flexible Data Americans -- Employment -- New York (State) -- New York -- 1900-1909
  • 18. Facets As Data Delimiters Americans -- Employment -- New York (State) -- New York -- 1900-1909 Tag Data: 1900s Americans Employment New York New York State
  • 19. CAN Subject Headings Be Tags ? A Few Hurdles • Integrate structured metadata with tagging systems • Will meanings be lost in shifting models? • Will users contribute tags to pre-tagged items?
  • 20. Looking For Term Patterns • Parse terms in subject by punctuation – term 1 – term 2 (term 3) – term 4 • Becomes: – term 1 – term 2 – term 3 – term 4
  • 21. Looking For Commas • Commas can be tricky – Zinzendorf, Nicolaus Ludwig, Graf von, 1700-1760 – Alexandra, Queen, consort of Edward VII, King of Great Britain, 1844-1925 • Most names are more like: – Washington, George
  • 22. Looking For Phrases • Archaic and dated phrases may need an agreed upon conversion: – “Homes and haunts” – “City and Town Life,” – etc.
  • 24. Will Users Add Their Tags Too? • Environment Needs to Encourage Tagging • Flickr Commons Users Highly Motivated to Participate
  • 25.
  • 26.
  • 27. Can Users Add Value?
  • 28. Can Users Add Value?
  • 29.
  • 30.
  • 31. Tags Only Used By NYPL
  • 32. Tags From Users & NYPL
  • 33. Tags Only From Users
  • 34. Lesson 1. Web Is Not A Catalog (Yet) • Set your terms free (but if they’re still weird, that’s OK) • If terms don’t fit, don’t upload them
  • 35. Lesson 2. Learn From Users • Flickr’s 200+ million users and 6+ billion photos: Use them!
  • 36. People, Content & Context Flickr User Model v0.3 www.flickr.com/photos/bryce/58299511/
  • 37. Thanks! Questions, Feedback: jdalton@nypl.org New York Public Library Strategic Planning 188 Madison Ave., 4th Fl. New York, NY 10016

Notes de l'éditeur

  1. Co-Creator of ISO Topic Maps Standard and Data Projection Model
  2. Co-Creator of ISO Topic Maps Standard and Data Projection Model
  3. Co-Creator of ISO Topic Maps Standard and Data Projection Model
  4. [subject facets were critical in defining relationships in a world with no relational databases]
  5. But when NYPL oined the Flickr Commons, we had a much smaller data-set to play with, and some powerful tools built into both the Flickr API and it’s manual editing platform: organizr. So we thought to give those scrips another shot
  6. But when NYPL oined the Flickr Commons, we had a much smaller data-set to play with, and some powerful tools built into both the Flickr API and it’s manual editing platform: organizr. So we thought to give those scrips another shot
  7. I found that it’s often the case that one of these terms makes a really good tag and the other is just silly. “Haunts” “Town Life”
  8. I had 2 main Flickr principles often guiding image uploads and tagging QC. For images it was “Interestingness” and for tags it was “Has anyone ever used this one?”