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Our Saviour Lutheran Church – Green Bay, WI
February 2013 Volume 1, Issue 14
Tools for Understanding, Enduring and Making the
Most of a Crucible (Personal trial) Experience
By: Pastor Dave Hatch
Call, and the gift of fellowship. Volumes could
be said about this.
Are there other tools at our disposal? Yes!
The Old Adam in us strives to work against us.
It wages wars against us, especially when we
are not focused on why we are here or what we
are to do with our lives, our time, and our
resources. Read Romans 7:14-25. The Old
Adam in us deceives us into chasing “more”,
craving, making comparisons, or that we will
be happy when… The Old Adam within us so
easily deceives us! It has discontentment and
Proverbs 17:3
complaint and desire and aversion written all
Crucible experiences are often hardships and over it. It is the core of our inner disturbance. It
tests that work to transform us. In science, always wants things different than they are. It
chemists put something into a crucible, turn up tells us that some place or situation has
the heat, a transformation takes place, and the greener grass. The Old Adam within us is all
material is never the same again. It is about self.
improved and purified.
We cannot go back in time and we cannot go
Hardships in this life are a given. There is no forward. We can only be in the moment and
Easy Street. Life delivers crucible teaching what we do with those moments is imperative.
experiences, even against our will. The If we live for self, we will never arrive at
Scripture actually tells us to expect hardships contentment. The Old Adam will see to that!
and that they will sharpen our faith. We know
the following as super-tools for navigating our
hardships: prayer, Scripture, worship, song,
The Lord’s Supper, recalling our Baptismal - Cont’d on page 2 -
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- Cont’d from page 1 - 1. Exercise the freedom to choose your attitude
In all situations, no matter how desperate they
In Baptism, and again right now, the Old may appear or actually be, you always have
Adam must die, be dead, no longer rule our the ultimate freedom to choose your attitude.
reason. We are under a new operating system: [The Holy Spirit, now oversees the Christian
The Holy Spirit replaces the Old Adam. mind, whereas before, the mind was held
captive by the carnal nature, and the passions
The Holy Spirit awakens us to the moment we ruled the reason. Now the New Man in Christ
are living in and why we are here. walks in Light, not in darkness. We move from
being a slave to sin to being a servant of
If we daily, and each moment, live for Him Christ. We have a new inner government.]
who made us, bought us, walks with us, and
promises eternity through His Son, our “now” 2. Realize your will to meaning
takes on real meaning. We begin to enjoy our Commit authentically to meaningful values
“now”, even when there is hardship in the and goals that only you can actualize and
midst of it. fulfill.
[Detect your God-given calling, gifts, and by
Are there any tools we can use that will help His Providence, do what you are called to do,
us understand that? Yes, there are boatloads that is, do your “Duty”, until He calls you
of books. There is one that is not too bad in home].
putting to good use practical guidance for
using our God given reason in managing our 3. Detect the meaning of life’s moments
thoughts. The book mentioned below is not a Only you can answer for your own life by
“Christian book,” but you will be able to apply detecting the meaning of any given moment
its good directives and perspectives into your and assuming responsibility for weaving your
walk with Christ. Below is not a unique tapestry of existence.
recommendation of a book, but a summary of [Live inside your “Incredible Now;” that is, you
it. cannot go backwards on the timeline. You are
in the very spot on your pilgrimage where He
In the book, Prisoners of Our Thoughts: Viktor wants you. Celebrate this moment in your
Frankl's Principles for Discovering Meaning in adventure. Look down and see where your toes
Life and Work, author, Alex Pattakos Ph.D. are at this very instant.]
encapsulates Dr. Viktor Frankl’s system of
thought in seven core principles. Each of these 4. Don’t work against yourself
principles, in turn, is described in easy to Avoid becoming so obsessed with or fixated on
understand terms and applied to various work an intent or outcome that you actually work
situations so that the reader can relate against the desired result.
personally to the principle as well as learn [Study the word “Catharsis.” Look deep into how
when and how to use it. I have added a you may be on a vicious circle chasing the wrong
spiritual Christian perspective after each, goals. Here, we are often driven by hyper-
noted in the brackets. The seven principles are expectation, hyper-intentions, or hyper-
as follows: reflection because we are in an existential
vacuum. Herein lies the seedbed of the Old
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- Cont’d from page 2 - 7. Extend beyond yourself
Manifest the human spirit at work by relating
Adam in us, the source of our disturbance, our and being directed to something more than
doubts, our emotional and spiritual suffering. yourself.
When we look here with the eyes of Christ, we [Live for Christ, not for yourself – The old is
can see this is where the traps lie and self- gone, the new has come!]
deception comes from. Someone who is trying
to be really healthy may turn himself or We are including some Scripture passages
herself into a hypochondriac. The Old Adam in about the Crucible Experience, hardships in
us often seeks the wrong goals, which end up life. These are displayed on pages 4-5 and let
being vicious circles.] you know that what you are encountering is
not just your struggle, it is the human
5. Look at yourself from a distance struggle. Stick close to the Savior, Pilgrim,
Only human beings possess the capacity to and you will be fine.
look at themselves out of some perspective or
distance, including the uniquely human trait
known as your “sense of humor.”
[Here, consider yourself on a stage, playing a
part in the great theatre production of life.
You are sitting in a seat, watching from a
distance. Play your part well, and see the
Providentially placed players on the stage with
you, from a distance.]
6. Shift your focus of attention
Deflect your attention from a problem
situation to something else and build your
coping mechanisms for dealing with stress and
change.
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Adam wishes to arise and take over the mind
again. Luther said, “Daily drown the Old Please feel free to contact the church office with
Adam, but watch out, he is a good swimmer.” constructive suggestions and/or comments at
The battle between Good and Evil lies within info@oslc-gb.org. Thanks to those who have
you. Until the resurrection, there is a battle already commented! We are always seeking more
for your soul.] congregational input and submissions.
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Suffering as a Crucible Experience – Examples from the Scripture
The German word, Anfechtung is displayed below. Luther used this word for hardship,
horror, suffering, trial, tribulation, and what we are calling the Crucible Experience.
Romans 5:3-5 - 3Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that
suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5And hope
does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the
Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
Matthew 27:3-5 - 3When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he
was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the
elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.” “What is that to us?”
they replied. “That’s your responsibility.” 5So Judas threw the money into the temple and
left. Then he went away and hanged himself. (In this case, anfechtung broke the sufferer,
because he went to the wrong source for restoration and comfort.)
2 Corinthians 12:7-10 - 7Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this
reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a
messenger of Satan to torment me - to keep me from exalting myself! 8Concerning this I
implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, “My grace is
sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather
boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. 10Therefore I am
well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with
difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
John 16:33 - “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world
you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
1 Peter 4:1-2 - Since therefore Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same
thought, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of
time in the flesh no longer by human passions, but by the will of God.
Colossians 1:24 - Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete
what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body, that is the church.
2 Corinthians 4:16-5:6 - So we do not lose heart. Though our outer nature is wasting away,
our inner nature is being renewed every day. For this slight momentary affliction is
preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, because we look not to the
things that are seen but to the things that are unseen; for the things that are seen are
transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. For we know that if the earthly tent we
live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in
the heavens. Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling, so that by
putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with
anxiety; not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what
is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God,
who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always of good courage; we know that
while we are at home in the body, we are away from the Lord…
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Ephesians 6:10-18 - 10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full
armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12For our struggle
is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the
powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able
to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with
the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In
addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming
arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the
word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.
With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
Psalm 119:67-72 - 67Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I obey your word. 68You are
good, and what you do is good; teach me your decrees. 69Though the arrogant have smeared
me with lies, I keep your precepts with all my heart. 70Their hearts are callous and
unfeeling, but I delight in your law. 71It was good for me to be afflicted so that I might learn
your decrees. 72The law from your mouth is more precious to me than thousands of pieces of
silver and gold.
OFFICIAL ACTS
Baptisms:
Sydney Anne Schmidt Carter Michael Castelic
Born: June 14, 2011 Born: August 31, 2012
Baptized: December 9, 2012 Baptized: December 9, 2012
Daughter of Andrew Schmidt and Susan Alsteen Son of Ben and Cristy Castelic
Liam Thomas Tessmann Ethan Matthew Scholz
Born: September 27, 2012 Born: July 30, 2012
Baptized: December 13, 2012 Baptized: December 30, 2012
Son of Thomas and Kelley Tessmann Son of Nathan and Christina Scholz
Layla Nicole Beckers Cameron James Arts
Born: January 19, 2012 Born: July 20, 2012
Baptized: December 16, 2012 Baptized: January 6, 2013
Daughter of Christopher Rein and Sara Beckers Son of Richard and Angela Arts
Membership Changes:
IN: Bruce Ashmore, Adult Confirmation
Received their Crown:
Gordon Karnopp
February 12, 1928 - December 16, 2012
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Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
1 2
3:30pm Open Gym
Pizza Prep,
Movie Night and
NYG meeting
(see youth board
for times)
3 Life Sunday 4 5 6 7 8 9
7:45am Trad Worship 7pm Elders 7am Bible Study 3pm Youth Night 9am Truth Project 4pm Chili 4:30-7:30pm
9:15am Praise Worship 9am Bible Study 5pm Weds Night Meal 12:15pm Worship Challenge, Spaghetti Dinner –
9:15am Bible Study 6:30pm Cub Scouts 6pm Praise Band 4pm Fish Fry Prep NEWLHS Pasta for Piper
9:30am Sunday School 7pm Choir Practice 6pm Confirmation 6:30pm Truth Project 5pm Monthly (sponsored by
10:30am Bible Study 6:30pm SH Bible Study 7pm Trad Worship Fish Fry NEWLHS students)
10:30am SS Teachers 7pm P&F Meeting
10:45am Trad Worship
10 Mite Box Sunday 11 12 13 Ash Wednesday 14 15 16
7:45am Trad Worship 7pm Church Council 7am Bible Study 12pm Staff Meeting 6pm Praise Band 3:30pm Open Gym
9:15am Praise Worship 9am Bible Study 3pm Youth Night
9:15am Truth Project 7pm Choir Practice 4pm Worship Service
9:30am Sunday School 4:45pm Meal
10:45am Trad Worship 6:30pm Worship
7:30pm Youth Board
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7:45am Trad Worship 7pm Board of 6:30pm Spring Primary 9am Truth Project 6pm Praise Band Grandparents 3:30pm Open Gyn
9:15am Praise Worship Education Election 12pm Staff Meeting Day at Trinity 4pm Taste of
w/ SS assistance 7am Bible Study 3pm Youth Night Trinity, Riverside
9:30am Sunday School 9am Bible Study 4pm Worship Service Help for the Ballroom
10:45am Trad Worship No Preschool or 6:30pm Cub Scouts 4:45pm Meal Homeless
Trinity classes 7pm Choir Practice 6:30pm Worship collection begins
(In-service) 6:30pm Truth Project
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7:45am Trad Worship 6:30pm GBLSA 7am Bible Study 12pm Staff Meeting 6pm Praise Band
9:15am Truth Project 7pm Stewardship 8am OLM Meeting 3pm Youth Night
9:15am Praise Worship 9am Bible Study 4pm Worship Service
9:30am Sunday School 7pm Choir Practice 4:45pm Meal
10:45am Trad Worship 6pm Confirmation
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Lent 2013
The 2013 OSLC Midweek Lenten services will feature Jesus, Immanuel, the Truth,
King, Christ Crucified, the Way, and the Lamb; all names we use for one savior -
God. During the Lenten season, reflect on each of these names and why we use
them. Follow along with Jesus from Ash Wednesday to Easter Sunday and see how
each of the names tells us of God's plan for our Salvation.
Worship Services will be on Wednesdays at 4:00 pm and 6:30 pm. These worship
services and sermons will be a different theme than our Sunday worship services.
Please note, except for Maundy Thursday, there are no worship services on
Thursdays in Lent.
OSLC’s ongoing Wednesday Night Café will be open for meals between services.
The hours will be expanded in Lent. The Café will open at 4:45pm and close at
6:30pm. The café offers a variety of menu items for all ages and price ranges.
Healthy options are available.
February 13, Ash Wednesday - JESUS Luke 22:39-46
February 20 - IMMANUEL John 18:3-12
February 27 - THE TRUTH John 18:37, 38
March 6 - KING John 18:33-37
March 13 - CHRIST CRUCIFIED John 19:16-18
March 20 - THE WAY Luke 23:39-43
March 28, Maundy Thursday - THE LAMB Revelation 5:6-10
(Note: 4:00pm and 6:30pm - Meal Available)
March 29, Good Friday - THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA John 19:30
(Note: 12:15pm and 7:00pm - No Meal)
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March 2013 OSLC Usher Schedule
Day Date Service Lead Usher Team
Sun. 03-Mar 7:45 am M. Morgan Vernon Siech; Gloria Morgan; Ralph Hoerchler
Sun. 03-Mar 9:15 am R. Vande Hei Walt Juhnke; Tiffany Duff; Brian Duff; Chelsea Vande Hei; Rachel Vande Hei
Sun. 03-Mar 10:45 am R. Bruhn Rich Ryman; Sue Bruhn; Richard Christianson
Wed. 06-Mar 4:00 pm R. Spangenberg (Youth)
Wed. 06-Mar 6:30 pm C. Arthur Carl Zimonick; Gary Kirchman; Dick Zimonick
Sun. 10-Mar 7:45 am A. Knaus Clarence Ney; Josh VanKauwenberg; Jerry VanKauwenberg
Sun. 10-Mar 9:15 am D. Bitters Robin Williams; Frank Helebrant; Don Schultz; Shelly Williams; Trey Boerschinger
Sun. 10-Mar 10:45 am G. Buechner Carmen Leuthner; Lloyd Leuthner; DeVonte King; Rich Spangenberg
Wed. 13-Mar 4:00 pm R. Spangenberg (Youth)
Wed. 13-Mar 6:30 pm P. Kuehl Bill Baneck; †UN; †UN
Sun. 17-Mar 7:45 am J. Kielpikowski Chad Kielpikowski; Ron Klumb; †UN
Sun. 17-Mar 9:15 am W. Chamberlain Randy Dyle; Roxanne Dyle; Alex Chamberlain; McKenzie Waniger; Nathan Scholz
Sun. 17-Mar 10:45 am M. Charles Don Larson; Karen Kiekhaefer; Hunter Alft
Wed. 20-Mar 4:00 pm R. Spangenberg (Youth)
Wed. 20-Mar 6:30 pm N. Krueger †UN; †UN; †UN
Sun. 24-Mar 7:45 am M. Dalebroux Andrew Prescher; Al Brietlow; Barry Dalebroux
Sun. 24-Mar 9:15 am D. Wians Lonnie Peerenboom; Todd Korth; Barb Korth; Davis LaMarche; Dan Richer
Sun. 24-Mar 10:45 am R. Bruhn Rich Ryman; Sue Bruhn; Richard Christianson
Thu. 28-Mar 4:00 pm R. Spangenberg
Thu. 28-Mar 6:30 pm C. Arthur Carl Zimonick; Gary Kirchman; Dick Zimonick
Fri. 29-Mar 12:15 pm G. Buechner Carmen Leuthner; Lloyd Leuthner; DeVonte King; Rich Spangenberg
Fri. 29-Mar 7:00 pm P. Kuehl Bill Baneck; †UN; †UN
Sun. 31-Mar 6:00 am M. Morgan Vernon Siech; Gloria Morgan; Ralph Hoerchler
Sun. 31-Mar 7:45 am A. Knaus Clarence Ney; Josh VanKauwenberg; Jerry VanKauwenberg
Sun. 31-Mar 9:15 am R. Vande Hei Walt Juhnke; Tiffany Duff; Brian Duff; Chelsea Vande Hei; Rachel Vande Hei
Sun. 31-Mar 10:45 am M. Charles Don Larson; Karen Kiekhaefer; Hunter Alft
† UN -Usher Needed: If you would like to volunteer as an usher, please contact the Lead usher of the group
you'd like to join, or, contact Rich Spangenberg (920) 857-3014 or email spangenr.ret@uwgb.edu
When the moon hits your eye like NO MORE PILL BOTTLES
a big pizza pie...
PLEASE
It's that time of year! The Super Bowl is just
around the corner which means the annual We are no longer collecting pill bottles. St
OSLC youth take-and-bake pizza sale is here! Mary’s hospital is no longer accepting them.
Order forms are available at the Welcome Thank you to all who participated in this
Center. Please fill out one order form per collection.
pizza. You can also drop your orders in the
youth mailbox or with Michelle in the church
office. Payment is due at the time you submit
your order. Pick up will be on Super Bowl
Sunday, February 3 by noon in the gym. Bon
appétit!
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Helping the Homeless
“The supplies that were given are more than
toothpaste and toilet paper; they are a sign
that the community cares. Thank you.”
Thomas, Shelter Resident
We will be collecting NEW hygiene and
cleaning items for local homeless shelters and
crisis agencies through 91.9/91.5 The
Family’s 21st annual “Help for the Homeless”
hygiene drive in collaboration with the
Brown County Homeless & Housing Coalition
and the Brown County United Way from
February 22 through March 17.
Please place your donations in the Help for
the Homeless collection box located by the
coat room elevator by March 17th. Supplying
these items to the shelters will help them
direct their limited resources to providing
qualified staff, counseling, food and shelter to
those they serve. The most requested items
include laundry detergent, garbage bags,
dental and hair care items, diapers & wipes,
tissue, and soap (a list of items can be found
by the donation boxes). Your donations will
remain in this community. Thank you!
More info can be found at www.thefamily.net
or call 1-800-236-9364.
Our Saviour Lutheran Church
120 S. Henry Street
Green Bay, WI 54302
(920) 468-4065
Senior Pastor – David H. Hatch Church Office – Michelle Burhite
(920) 465-8118 (920) 468-4065
dave@oslc-gb.org info@oslc-gb.org
Associate Pastor – Greg Hovland Preschool Director – Christina Scholz
(920) 544-3614 (920) 468-3596
greg@oslc-gb.org Christina@oslc-gb.org
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Books for Gambia
Our Saviour's LWML group helped collect books and bucks as part of the Million Books for
Africa project. Sandy Groth heard a speaker talk about this worthy project and rounded up
support immediately. Within just a couple of weeks, we had taped up 12 full boxes of books
and collected $273. When Miranda Paul and her husband, Baptiste, pulled away from our
church, their van was just about scraping the ground. She was so thankful for our large
donation. The next day, Miranda posted pictures online. Our books are on their way to
Gambia! A big thank you goes out to everyone who donated books and money. Thank you so
much!
PASTA 4 PIPER
The NEW Lutheran High School Peer Ministry class is sponsoring a special Spaghetti
dinner on Saturday, February 9th in the gym at Our Saviour Lutheran Church from 4:30-
7:30pm. The cost is $8 for adults and $4 for kids 14 and under. A special family price of $20
for a family of four is available with additional kids' meals available for $2 each. Donations
of service, food items (baked goods, spaghetti noodles, spaghetti sauce, salad and dressing,
soda, bottled water) and cash donations are greatly appreciated. 100% of the proceeds will
go to a young family from the Madison area. Dad, Jeremy, is dealing with terminal cancer.
His 6 month old daughter, Piper and his wife Becky can use all the help we can provide.
Please come and join in this special event to help. Let's show them the love of Jesus! To
purchase tickets, to arrange for a donation or for more information, please contact the
NEWLHS school office at 469-6810. Thank you for helping!
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Trinity Lutheran School’s 8th annual Taste of Trinity,
“Around the World” auction:
February 23, 2013
Riverside Ballroom Green Bay
Doors open/Silent Auction: 4:00 pm
Dinner: 6:30 pm
Live Auction and DJ to follow
Tickets are $30 each or $200 for a table of 8. For ticket information contact Marni Servais
at (920) 737-4780 or purchase at OSLC, Christ of the Bay, Hope - DePere, Faith, or
Redeemer Lutheran Churches.
Donations are being accepted (new items only, please). Donations may be dropped off in the
Trinity School Office or you may contact Kelly Luepke at (920) 217-3064 to make
arrangements to have your donation picked up.
CHILI CHALLENGE OF THE CHURCHES
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 8th, 2013
at
NEW LUTHERAN HIGH SCHOOL
1311 Robinson Avenue
Take-out available 1 – 8 p.m.
Eat in 4 – 8 p.m.
Bowl - $5 (bottomless)
Take-out quart - $10
Enjoy a delicious bowl of chili provided by area churches. Sample each chili and vote for your favorite.
Sundae bar provided by the NEWLHS music department.
Hamburgers, hotdogs, beverages are available through the concession stand.
Stay to watch boys’ basketball – NEWLHS vs. Oconto at 4:30pm, 6pm, and 7:30pm.
*The church that obtains the most votes will be announced at half time
of the boys’ 7:30pm Varsity game.
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OSLC Business Directory
Advertisements in the business directory help Our Saviour defray the cost of ‘The Voice Online’ each
month. If you would like to advertise, please contact Michelle in the Church office
at (920) 468-4065 or info@oslc-gb.org.
Please support the sponsors who help support us!
Photo credits: A Day in the Life of Adam
 Crucible (page 1) Can you imagine Adam sneaking up behind Eve
http://jrdickie.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sit and putting his hands over her eyes…
ebuilderpictures/crucible.jpg “Guess who?”
“Adam, you are so silly?”
“Ah, you guessed right again, Eve. You’re
pretty smart for someone made from a rib.”
“Whatever, Adam. Let’s go down by the peach
tree and have some dinner.”
Oooh, I love peaches. You know me so well.
There’s just no other woman in the world for me!”
“You can say that again!”
“Hey Eve, after dinner, let’s go for a romantic
walk to the center of the garden.”
“I don’t know, sweetie. That serpent likes to
hang out down there and he creeps me out.”
“Ah, relax, baby. What harm can a little snake
do?”
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