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Af-Pak Problem

    Ramana D
   5 Feb. 2011
Why study Af-Pak?
•   NPR had a discussion on Nov 5th 2009 on the Af-Pak situation.
    Pentagon rep was asked who is the enemy?
    The person said its Taliban and they are three types:
     – Traditional Taliban led by Mullah Omar who were running Afghanistan
       before 9/11,
     – Haqqani faction of Taliban who are the most ideological faction and
     – the Gulbuddin Hekmatyar faction. These are the three types in Afghanistan.

•   Next Susan Rice, US Ambassador to UN was asked
     – Replied Enemy is Al Qaida being sheltered in Pakistan

•   Manmohan Singh said stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan
    was of vital importance to India than any other nation as it
    stood to be affected more by the turmoil in the two countries
Location in West Asia
Location in Indian Sub-continent
Terrain Map
Of Afghanistan
Complexity




Gen. McChrystal said “If we understand this chart, we will win the war!!!”
External Players
                 US


Russia                       Rest of world




               Afghanistan




 Iran                             India
                Pakistan
Perspectives
   Indian Perspective:
    - Afghanistan shouldn’t become safe haven for terrorists
    - Afghanistan shouldn’t become 'strategic depth' for TSP
    - Afghanistan should be multi-ethnic, multi-cultural modern state
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    TSP perspective:
    - Afghanistan should have a TSP friendly regime for following reasons:
    - Settling Durand Line to prevent loss of NWFP
    - Provide strategic depth for
           -Terrorist camps
           - Hide special weapons
           - Hinterland for heroin growing
Perspective
•   Pashtun Perspective:

    - Any ruler in Afghanistan has to be a Pashtun as they created
    modern Afghanistan
    - Eventually erase Durand line and regain lost lands to British India
     - Pashtuns in non-Pashtun areas should not be harassed

    Non-Pashtun Perspective:
    - Pashtuns should not dominate and impact their sub-nationalism
     – Tajik, Hazara, Uzbeg etc..


•   US perspective:
    - Non Islamist government in Afghanistan to prevent:
         - Regrouping of Islamist forces like AlQ & 'bad' Taliban
         - Provide bases for US forces for hedge against Central Asia
    and fracturing TSP
         - Provide base for 'guiding' new Islamist thinking in Central Asia
Perspective
•   PRC perspective:
    - Ensure TSP retains influence in Afghanistan to hedge rising India
    - Ensure US is weakened due to Afghanistan to preclude Uigher revolt
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    Iran perspective:
    - Ensure TSP does not dominate Afghanistan
    - Ensure balance in Shia (Hazara interests) versus Sunni (Pashtuns) power
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    Russian perspective:
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    - Ensure Afghanistan keeps the US occupied
Perspective
•   Central Asian countries:
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    EU countries:
    - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    - Ensure Afghanistan is not a heroin producing region
Perspective
•   Geographic perspective:
    - Afghanistan is the pivot of Central Asia
    - Pathway to conquer Indian sub-continent or Central Asia
    - High mountains and challenging terrain
    - Not much arable land. Lot of desert
    - Only three rivers: Helmand,Kabul and Herat
    History Perspective:
    - Afghanistan has been at cross roads of invasions of Indian sub-
    continent
    - Afghanistan was declared a neutral country between the British and
    Tsarist Russia
    - Afghanistan has always survived on subsidy from Indo-Gangetic
    plains.
     - Afghanistan has suffered continuous turmoil and civil war since
    1973 if not since Abdur Rehman in late 19th century
Consequences of US failure in
         Af-Pak
- Extremist Islam wins and will roll over most of the current Islamic
states
- Have high negative impact on Indian sub-continent
- Definite radicalization of TSP with its nuclear weapons
- Uigher uprising in East Turkistan
- Central Asian countries will be radicalized
- PRC will gain Asian domination but lose East Turkistan
- Russia might be rolled back to the Duchy of Muscovy
- Demoralized by the defeat in far away lands the 'malaise' in
American politics could return leading to political wilderness a la
Vietnam
- Drug trade will zoom on the supply side
- World globalization will suffer
- It could lead to loss of leadership as other challengers will emerge
Desired Outcomes
•   Indian Perspective:

    - Maximum acceptable solution is a strong and vibrant Afghanistan
    free from Islamist fundamentalism
    - Minimum acceptable solution is a Afghanistan free from TSP
    influence

•   TSP perspective:
    - Maximum acceptable solution is Afghanistan incorporated into
    TSP
    - Minimum acceptable solution: TSP friendly regime in Afghanistan
Desired Outcomes
•   Pashtun Perspective:

    - Maximum acceptable solution: Any ruler in Afghanistan has to be a
    Pashtun
    - Minimum acceptable solution Any ruler of Afghanistan has to be a
    Pashtun.

•   Non Pashtun Perspective:
    - Maximum acceptable solution Pashtuns should not dominate and impact
    their sub-nationalism: Tajik, Hazara, Uzbeg etc.

    - Minimum acceptable solution: Pashtuns should include the other ethnic
    minorities in government
Desired Outcomes
US perspective:
- Maximum acceptable solution: Non Islamist govt in Afghanistan
- Minimum acceptable solution: Friendly regime in place irrespective
of their Islamist credentials.
PRC perspective:
- Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure TSP retains influence in
Afghanistan
- Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not
become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
Desired Outcomes
•   Iran perspective:
    - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure TSP does not dominate
    Afghanistan
    - Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure balance in Shia (Hazara
    interests) versus Sunni (Pashtuns) power
    Russian perspective:
    - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    - Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist /"guided" Islam
Desired Outcomes
•   Central Asian countries:
    - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
    - Minimum acceptable solution : Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
•   EU countries:

    - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist/"guided" Islam and drugs production

    - Minimum acceptable solution : Ensure Afghanistan does not
    become base for extremist/"guided" Islam and drugs production
Options
• US leaves Af-Pak
• US stays in Af-Pak
• India increases aid to Afghanistan
  – Civil infrastructure and people
  – Police and para-military
PLAN 11/13/2009
•   US increase troop presence and crushes bad Taliban
    • Otherwise it will lose and the malaise kicks in

•   US manages TSP while doing this
    – Not at cost of any other nation

•   The good Taliban get regularized into para-military scouts etc.
    – Crucial to get them under a uniform and get rid of their tribal dress.
    – The Afghan National Army still gets its share of Tajiks and Uzbegs
      and Hazaras as top layer to guarantee the ethnic rights

•   The Ghilzais and Durranis have to make up and work out a
    compromise certified by the loya jirga to ensure Pashtun
    solidarity

•    An all powers conference to declare Afghan neutrality is crucial
    to return
PLAN (Continued)
•   Afghanistan to buffer status like in the 19th century. This is to
    neutralize any dreams of jihadis

•   Same time all the ethnic areas will have millat/autonomy status:
    Pashtuns, Tajiks and Hazaras and Uzbegs

•   The rights of sub-minorities in these areas are guaranteed by
    Afghan National Govt eg. Pashtuns in Tajik areas und so weiter

•   A G-8/OECD/INDIA and PRC economic program has to be
    worked out to stabilize the country. US will have the TSP
    economic stabilization program

•   A strong advice is to seek Pashtun autonomy in TSP as a self
    determination right same as the Kurds in Iraq to satisfy the self
    determination rights. as this is related to the Afghan issue
Follow-Through
• Obama Plan 11/28/09
  – Increase troops (aka Surge)
  – Increase diplomatic efforts in region
  – Increase pressure on Karzai to integrate Pashtuns
    (good vs bad Taliban)
• Results
  – Surge in Marjah failed- 2010
  – Karzai weakend by US pressure
  – Pak arresting Taliban negotiating with Karzai and
    delivering them to US as terrorists
Robert Blackwill
              Plan B
• Withdraw US presence to camps around
  Kabul
• Launch periodic drone attacks on Al Qaida
  in Afghanistan
• Let Taliban takeover Southern
  Afghanistan
• Reduce cost of deployment
• Tell India US wont take care of Indian
  interests
Consequence of Plan B
• Taliban takeover of Southern Afghanistan
• US presence in Kabul prevents Taliban
  takeover
• Taliban will revive Pashtun Nationalism
  and move eastwards to erase Durand Line
• Will bring about clash between the
  Pashtuns and the TSP
• Could set-off the ‘feared’ Balkanisation
Indian Options
• Support the legitimate government in
  Kabul
  – Karzai Pasthuns and Northern Afghans
• Do nothing else as any involvement will
  unite the warring factions
• Balkanization of TSP is not Indian problem
END
• Thanks for listening
• Any Questions?

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Af pak problem

  • 1. Af-Pak Problem Ramana D 5 Feb. 2011
  • 2. Why study Af-Pak? • NPR had a discussion on Nov 5th 2009 on the Af-Pak situation. Pentagon rep was asked who is the enemy? The person said its Taliban and they are three types: – Traditional Taliban led by Mullah Omar who were running Afghanistan before 9/11, – Haqqani faction of Taliban who are the most ideological faction and – the Gulbuddin Hekmatyar faction. These are the three types in Afghanistan. • Next Susan Rice, US Ambassador to UN was asked – Replied Enemy is Al Qaida being sheltered in Pakistan • Manmohan Singh said stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan was of vital importance to India than any other nation as it stood to be affected more by the turmoil in the two countries
  • 4. Location in Indian Sub-continent
  • 6. Complexity Gen. McChrystal said “If we understand this chart, we will win the war!!!”
  • 7. External Players US Russia Rest of world Afghanistan Iran India Pakistan
  • 8. Perspectives  Indian Perspective: - Afghanistan shouldn’t become safe haven for terrorists - Afghanistan shouldn’t become 'strategic depth' for TSP - Afghanistan should be multi-ethnic, multi-cultural modern state - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam TSP perspective: - Afghanistan should have a TSP friendly regime for following reasons: - Settling Durand Line to prevent loss of NWFP - Provide strategic depth for -Terrorist camps - Hide special weapons - Hinterland for heroin growing
  • 9. Perspective • Pashtun Perspective: - Any ruler in Afghanistan has to be a Pashtun as they created modern Afghanistan - Eventually erase Durand line and regain lost lands to British India - Pashtuns in non-Pashtun areas should not be harassed Non-Pashtun Perspective: - Pashtuns should not dominate and impact their sub-nationalism – Tajik, Hazara, Uzbeg etc.. • US perspective: - Non Islamist government in Afghanistan to prevent: - Regrouping of Islamist forces like AlQ & 'bad' Taliban - Provide bases for US forces for hedge against Central Asia and fracturing TSP - Provide base for 'guiding' new Islamist thinking in Central Asia
  • 10. Perspective • PRC perspective: - Ensure TSP retains influence in Afghanistan to hedge rising India - Ensure US is weakened due to Afghanistan to preclude Uigher revolt - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam Iran perspective: - Ensure TSP does not dominate Afghanistan - Ensure balance in Shia (Hazara interests) versus Sunni (Pashtuns) power - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam Russian perspective: - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam - Ensure Afghanistan keeps the US occupied
  • 11. Perspective • Central Asian countries: - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam EU countries: - Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam - Ensure Afghanistan is not a heroin producing region
  • 12. Perspective • Geographic perspective: - Afghanistan is the pivot of Central Asia - Pathway to conquer Indian sub-continent or Central Asia - High mountains and challenging terrain - Not much arable land. Lot of desert - Only three rivers: Helmand,Kabul and Herat History Perspective: - Afghanistan has been at cross roads of invasions of Indian sub- continent - Afghanistan was declared a neutral country between the British and Tsarist Russia - Afghanistan has always survived on subsidy from Indo-Gangetic plains. - Afghanistan has suffered continuous turmoil and civil war since 1973 if not since Abdur Rehman in late 19th century
  • 13. Consequences of US failure in Af-Pak - Extremist Islam wins and will roll over most of the current Islamic states - Have high negative impact on Indian sub-continent - Definite radicalization of TSP with its nuclear weapons - Uigher uprising in East Turkistan - Central Asian countries will be radicalized - PRC will gain Asian domination but lose East Turkistan - Russia might be rolled back to the Duchy of Muscovy - Demoralized by the defeat in far away lands the 'malaise' in American politics could return leading to political wilderness a la Vietnam - Drug trade will zoom on the supply side - World globalization will suffer - It could lead to loss of leadership as other challengers will emerge
  • 14. Desired Outcomes • Indian Perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution is a strong and vibrant Afghanistan free from Islamist fundamentalism - Minimum acceptable solution is a Afghanistan free from TSP influence • TSP perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution is Afghanistan incorporated into TSP - Minimum acceptable solution: TSP friendly regime in Afghanistan
  • 15. Desired Outcomes • Pashtun Perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution: Any ruler in Afghanistan has to be a Pashtun - Minimum acceptable solution Any ruler of Afghanistan has to be a Pashtun. • Non Pashtun Perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution Pashtuns should not dominate and impact their sub-nationalism: Tajik, Hazara, Uzbeg etc. - Minimum acceptable solution: Pashtuns should include the other ethnic minorities in government
  • 16. Desired Outcomes US perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution: Non Islamist govt in Afghanistan - Minimum acceptable solution: Friendly regime in place irrespective of their Islamist credentials. PRC perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure TSP retains influence in Afghanistan - Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam
  • 17. Desired Outcomes • Iran perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure TSP does not dominate Afghanistan - Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure balance in Shia (Hazara interests) versus Sunni (Pashtuns) power Russian perspective: - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam - Minimum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist /"guided" Islam
  • 18. Desired Outcomes • Central Asian countries: - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam - Minimum acceptable solution : Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam • EU countries: - Maximum acceptable solution: Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam and drugs production - Minimum acceptable solution : Ensure Afghanistan does not become base for extremist/"guided" Islam and drugs production
  • 19. Options • US leaves Af-Pak • US stays in Af-Pak • India increases aid to Afghanistan – Civil infrastructure and people – Police and para-military
  • 20. PLAN 11/13/2009 • US increase troop presence and crushes bad Taliban • Otherwise it will lose and the malaise kicks in • US manages TSP while doing this – Not at cost of any other nation • The good Taliban get regularized into para-military scouts etc. – Crucial to get them under a uniform and get rid of their tribal dress. – The Afghan National Army still gets its share of Tajiks and Uzbegs and Hazaras as top layer to guarantee the ethnic rights • The Ghilzais and Durranis have to make up and work out a compromise certified by the loya jirga to ensure Pashtun solidarity • An all powers conference to declare Afghan neutrality is crucial to return
  • 21. PLAN (Continued) • Afghanistan to buffer status like in the 19th century. This is to neutralize any dreams of jihadis • Same time all the ethnic areas will have millat/autonomy status: Pashtuns, Tajiks and Hazaras and Uzbegs • The rights of sub-minorities in these areas are guaranteed by Afghan National Govt eg. Pashtuns in Tajik areas und so weiter • A G-8/OECD/INDIA and PRC economic program has to be worked out to stabilize the country. US will have the TSP economic stabilization program • A strong advice is to seek Pashtun autonomy in TSP as a self determination right same as the Kurds in Iraq to satisfy the self determination rights. as this is related to the Afghan issue
  • 22. Follow-Through • Obama Plan 11/28/09 – Increase troops (aka Surge) – Increase diplomatic efforts in region – Increase pressure on Karzai to integrate Pashtuns (good vs bad Taliban) • Results – Surge in Marjah failed- 2010 – Karzai weakend by US pressure – Pak arresting Taliban negotiating with Karzai and delivering them to US as terrorists
  • 23. Robert Blackwill Plan B • Withdraw US presence to camps around Kabul • Launch periodic drone attacks on Al Qaida in Afghanistan • Let Taliban takeover Southern Afghanistan • Reduce cost of deployment • Tell India US wont take care of Indian interests
  • 24. Consequence of Plan B • Taliban takeover of Southern Afghanistan • US presence in Kabul prevents Taliban takeover • Taliban will revive Pashtun Nationalism and move eastwards to erase Durand Line • Will bring about clash between the Pashtuns and the TSP • Could set-off the ‘feared’ Balkanisation
  • 25. Indian Options • Support the legitimate government in Kabul – Karzai Pasthuns and Northern Afghans • Do nothing else as any involvement will unite the warring factions • Balkanization of TSP is not Indian problem
  • 26. END • Thanks for listening • Any Questions?