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What about the nearly
                   arrest patient?
              Where evidence based medicine has yet to go but
              where we often find ourselves

                                             SP-ER conference 9 Aug 2009
                                              Suthaporn Lumlertgul M.D.
                                         King Chulalongkorn Memorial hospital




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Reference:
                         Harvard Shock symposium




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Reference:
                         Harvard Shock symposium




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Objective


                    • Manage case that is nearly dead, guideline
                         yet go there
                    •


Sunday, August 9, 2009
นาทีเฉียดตาย




                  •

Sunday, August 9, 2009
Example case

                    • A 60 year old woman with complaint
                         lightheadness, chest tightness
                    • HR= 150/min, BP=200/110 RR=36/min O2
                         Sat 96% Temp=37.4




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you examining in AF patient?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you examining in AF patient?


      •       A 60 year old
              woman with
              complaint
              lightheadness,
              chest tightness

      •       HR= 150/min,
              BP=200/110

      •       RR=36/min O2
              Sat 90%
              Temp=37.4




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Define Unstable

                    •    Patients as those with ventricular rates 150,

                    •    ongoing chest pain, or with evidence of critical
                         perfusion:

                    •    systolic BP 90 mm Hg, heart failure, or reduced
                consciousness.




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Rapid AF

                    • AHA guideline for management of a patient
                         with hypotension and AF with RVR would
                         be cardioversion
                    • DC Cardioversion


Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Would you cardiovert
                     the patient?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Would you cardiovert
                     the patient?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Rhythm




                                       Digoxin
                          Rate

                                  Diltiazem/verapamil




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Cardiovert

                         Rhythm




                                       Digoxin
                          Rate

                                  Diltiazem/verapamil




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Cardiovert

                         Rhythm
                                    Amiodarone




                                       Digoxin
                          Rate

                                  Diltiazem/verapamil




Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?
                                                     Amiodarone             Diltiazem
                          Adenosine

                                                                  Digoxin
                                      Beta blocker




Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?

                                       Digoxin




                                                 Beta blocker

                           5 min

Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?

                                       Digoxin




                Cardiovert



                                                 Beta blocker

                             5 min

Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?

                                         Digoxin




                Cardiovert


                             Diltiazem
                                                   Beta blocker

                             5 min

Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?

                             Amiodarone   Digoxin




                Cardiovert


                             Diltiazem
                                                    Beta blocker

                             5 min

Sunday, August 9, 2009
What are you using?

                             Amiodarone   Digoxin




                Cardiovert


                             Diltiazem
                                                    Beta blocker

                             5 min

Sunday, August 9, 2009
Diltiazem

            •       Schreck et al compared the effectiveness of IV
                                                                     Diltiazem receive
        diltiazem with digoxin. In this open-label RCT,
        consecutive patients with acute AF were assigned to          more rapid rate
        receive either diltiazem (0.25 mg/kg initial bolus
        followed by 0.35 mg/kg 15 min after, and then an
                                                                     control in 5 min
        infusion of 10 to 20 mg/h to maintain a heart rate            thank digoxin
         100), digoxin (0.25-mg boluses at 0 and 30 min),
        or both digoxin and diltiazem. Follow-up was for 180
        min. Treatment with diltiazem achieved a rapid
        reduction in ventricular rate compared to digoxin,
        the results becoming statistically significant by 5 min



Sunday, August 9, 2009
Diltiazem

                    •    Rate-limiting calcium channel antagonists have
                therefore been shown to be effective in ventricular
                rate reduction in acute AF. The major adverse event
                reported from the RCTs was the precipitation of
                symptomatic hypotension (18% of patients)




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Amiodarone




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Digoxin

               •         Double-blind RCT recruited 40 patients to receive either digoxin (total IVdose
                         of 1.25 mg in divided doses) or placebo.

               • At 12 h posttherapy, there was no significant difference between the rates of
               conversion between the digoxin
               • Ventricular rate reduction was 30 min




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Maintain sinus   Rate + anticoag



                                ⇑Hemodynamic        Avoid pro
                         Pro
                               ⇓Thromboembolic      arrhythmia

                                                  ⇓Hemodynamic
                                Pro arrhythmic        Bleeding
                         Con
                                    Fatality      Residual embolic




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
RV




                    LV




                              Loss of atrial kick sign?



Sunday, August 9, 2009
•LV systolic function looks
                                                          depressed (subcostal long axis
                                                          view)


                         RV




                    LV




                              Loss of atrial kick sign?



Sunday, August 9, 2009
•LV systolic function looks
                                                          depressed (subcostal long axis
                                                          view)


                         RV                               •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic
                                                          time / by absence of atrial kick).




                    LV




                              Loss of atrial kick sign?



Sunday, August 9, 2009
•LV systolic function looks
                                                          depressed (subcostal long axis
                                                          view)


                         RV                               •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic
                                                          time / by absence of atrial kick).

                                                          •In this patient with acute onset
                                                          of FA and subsequent
                                                          hypotension .

                    LV




                              Loss of atrial kick sign?



Sunday, August 9, 2009
•LV systolic function looks
                                                          depressed (subcostal long axis
                                                          view)


                         RV                               •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic
                                                          time / by absence of atrial kick).

                                                          •In this patient with acute onset
                                                          of FA and subsequent
                                                          hypotension .

                    LV                                    •After prompt cardioversion,
                                                          sinus rhythm is restored and LV
                                                          systolic function looks now much
                                                          better




                              Loss of atrial kick sign?



Sunday, August 9, 2009
What does it cause?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Loss of atrial kick



                                    What does it cause?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Blood don’t go into
              Loss of atrial kick
                                          atrium


                                    What does it cause?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Blood don’t go into
              Loss of atrial kick                         It reflux into neck vein
                                          atrium


                                    What does it cause?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
• Patient was administered Digoxin IV
                    • After not improving the clinical patient was
                         administered Diltiazem IV
                    • Patient has less lightheadesness but still
                         have chest tightness
                    • Heart rate was slower from 170 to 130/
                         min but BP still 200/100



Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
• Patient was treated with Nicardipine IV
                    • He feel less lightheadeness still chest
                         discomfort
                    • Old ECG show no atrial fibrillation


Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Take home message

                    • Remember for the unstable signs in limited
                         time Heart failure, poor perfusion
                    • How fast do you think the patient will
                         survive on this rhythm
                    • Pick the choice of treatment from that

Sunday, August 9, 2009
Case II


                    • BP=110/60 HR=130 RR=20 T=37.3
                    • Complaint of chest tightness,


Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
What would you do?

                    • Any reason to change rhythm?
                    • Dead now or later?
                    •


Sunday, August 9, 2009
Case III

                    • A man with acute dyspnea come in ER with
                         expiratory wheezing and sound of
                         secretion, profound sweating
                    • Switching Taxi driver to passenger
                    • RR=35 PR=130/min BP=220/110 T=37
                         StO2=70%



Sunday, August 9, 2009
What is your diagnosis?
                          Next Management?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
What will you do in
                           this patient?

                    • Physical examinaiton
                    • Further investigation?
                    • Further Management


Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
สักพัก...




Sunday, August 9, 2009
What would you do in
                        this patient?
                    • Atropine
                    • Epinephrine
                    • Dopamine
                    • Transcutaneous pacing

Sunday, August 9, 2009
เจ็บแปลบ ...


                    • The patient is so painful when you put on
                         pacemaker
                    • Will   atropine cause more infarct?




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009
Take home message

                    • Don’t be afraid to use adjuncts in life
                         threatening patients
                    • This is 2009, ER is all about proove it and
                         treat it.




Sunday, August 9, 2009
campaign




Sunday, August 9, 2009
Sunday, August 9, 2009

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ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY OF RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.pptx
ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY OF RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.pptxANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY OF RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.pptx
ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY OF RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.pptx
 

What about the "nearly arrest" patients?

  • 1. What about the nearly arrest patient? Where evidence based medicine has yet to go but where we often find ourselves SP-ER conference 9 Aug 2009 Suthaporn Lumlertgul M.D. King Chulalongkorn Memorial hospital Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 2. Reference: Harvard Shock symposium Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 3. Reference: Harvard Shock symposium Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 4. Objective • Manage case that is nearly dead, guideline yet go there • Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 5. นาทีเฉียดตาย • Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 6. Example case • A 60 year old woman with complaint lightheadness, chest tightness • HR= 150/min, BP=200/110 RR=36/min O2 Sat 96% Temp=37.4 Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 8. What are you examining in AF patient? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 9. What are you examining in AF patient? • A 60 year old woman with complaint lightheadness, chest tightness • HR= 150/min, BP=200/110 • RR=36/min O2 Sat 90% Temp=37.4 Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 11. Define Unstable • Patients as those with ventricular rates 150, • ongoing chest pain, or with evidence of critical perfusion: • systolic BP 90 mm Hg, heart failure, or reduced consciousness. Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 12. Rapid AF • AHA guideline for management of a patient with hypotension and AF with RVR would be cardioversion • DC Cardioversion Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 14. Would you cardiovert the patient? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 15. Would you cardiovert the patient? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 16. Rhythm Digoxin Rate Diltiazem/verapamil Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 17. Cardiovert Rhythm Digoxin Rate Diltiazem/verapamil Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 18. Cardiovert Rhythm Amiodarone Digoxin Rate Diltiazem/verapamil Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 19. What are you using? Amiodarone Diltiazem Adenosine Digoxin Beta blocker Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 20. What are you using? Digoxin Beta blocker 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 21. What are you using? Digoxin Cardiovert Beta blocker 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 22. What are you using? Digoxin Cardiovert Diltiazem Beta blocker 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 23. What are you using? Amiodarone Digoxin Cardiovert Diltiazem Beta blocker 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 24. What are you using? Amiodarone Digoxin Cardiovert Diltiazem Beta blocker 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 25. Diltiazem • Schreck et al compared the effectiveness of IV Diltiazem receive diltiazem with digoxin. In this open-label RCT, consecutive patients with acute AF were assigned to more rapid rate receive either diltiazem (0.25 mg/kg initial bolus followed by 0.35 mg/kg 15 min after, and then an control in 5 min infusion of 10 to 20 mg/h to maintain a heart rate thank digoxin 100), digoxin (0.25-mg boluses at 0 and 30 min), or both digoxin and diltiazem. Follow-up was for 180 min. Treatment with diltiazem achieved a rapid reduction in ventricular rate compared to digoxin, the results becoming statistically significant by 5 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 26. Diltiazem • Rate-limiting calcium channel antagonists have therefore been shown to be effective in ventricular rate reduction in acute AF. The major adverse event reported from the RCTs was the precipitation of symptomatic hypotension (18% of patients) Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 28. Digoxin • Double-blind RCT recruited 40 patients to receive either digoxin (total IVdose of 1.25 mg in divided doses) or placebo. • At 12 h posttherapy, there was no significant difference between the rates of conversion between the digoxin • Ventricular rate reduction was 30 min Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 29. Maintain sinus Rate + anticoag ⇑Hemodynamic Avoid pro Pro ⇓Thromboembolic arrhythmia ⇓Hemodynamic Pro arrhythmic Bleeding Con Fatality Residual embolic Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 31. RV LV Loss of atrial kick sign? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 32. •LV systolic function looks depressed (subcostal long axis view) RV LV Loss of atrial kick sign? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 33. •LV systolic function looks depressed (subcostal long axis view) RV •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic time / by absence of atrial kick). LV Loss of atrial kick sign? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 34. •LV systolic function looks depressed (subcostal long axis view) RV •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic time / by absence of atrial kick). •In this patient with acute onset of FA and subsequent hypotension . LV Loss of atrial kick sign? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 35. •LV systolic function looks depressed (subcostal long axis view) RV •Reduce SV by reducing diastolic time / by absence of atrial kick). •In this patient with acute onset of FA and subsequent hypotension . LV •After prompt cardioversion, sinus rhythm is restored and LV systolic function looks now much better Loss of atrial kick sign? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 36. What does it cause? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 37. Loss of atrial kick What does it cause? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 38. Blood don’t go into Loss of atrial kick atrium What does it cause? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 39. Blood don’t go into Loss of atrial kick It reflux into neck vein atrium What does it cause? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 40. • Patient was administered Digoxin IV • After not improving the clinical patient was administered Diltiazem IV • Patient has less lightheadesness but still have chest tightness • Heart rate was slower from 170 to 130/ min but BP still 200/100 Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 42. • Patient was treated with Nicardipine IV • He feel less lightheadeness still chest discomfort • Old ECG show no atrial fibrillation Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 44. Take home message • Remember for the unstable signs in limited time Heart failure, poor perfusion • How fast do you think the patient will survive on this rhythm • Pick the choice of treatment from that Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 45. Case II • BP=110/60 HR=130 RR=20 T=37.3 • Complaint of chest tightness, Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 49. What would you do? • Any reason to change rhythm? • Dead now or later? • Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 50. Case III • A man with acute dyspnea come in ER with expiratory wheezing and sound of secretion, profound sweating • Switching Taxi driver to passenger • RR=35 PR=130/min BP=220/110 T=37 StO2=70% Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 51. What is your diagnosis? Next Management? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 52. What will you do in this patient? • Physical examinaiton • Further investigation? • Further Management Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 60. What would you do in this patient? • Atropine • Epinephrine • Dopamine • Transcutaneous pacing Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 61. เจ็บแปลบ ... • The patient is so painful when you put on pacemaker • Will atropine cause more infarct? Sunday, August 9, 2009
  • 65. Take home message • Don’t be afraid to use adjuncts in life threatening patients • This is 2009, ER is all about proove it and treat it. Sunday, August 9, 2009