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Israel on Syria
M. Thorn
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Commentary on situation
•3 players on either side:
•Battle between Sunni extremists vs Shiite expansion extremists
•Alawites, Hezbollah and Iran on one side
•Brotherhood, Al-Nusra Front, Al Quaeida on other
•Hezbollah (supporters of Assad) vs Al Nusra is going to be one hell of a
fight- there are not two peoples in the world who detest each other more
•Secular moderates- not many (don’t fight)
•Free Syria Army (in which US greatly invested) had a lot of their
fighting done by Islamist forces, and they are now trying to get rid of
those forces
•3 main players outside of Syria: US, Russia and Israel
•each of these act according to their own interests:
•US interests are extremely muddied
•Russia’s are not muddied, but not friendly to the US
•Israel (as they always do) breaks everything down to weaponry: who
has it?
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Syrian Army Equipment
Armoured Fighting Vehicles
•Main battle tanks (7,350)
•Amphibious light tank (100)
•Amphibious Armoured Scout Car (1,125)
•Infantry Fighting Vehicle (2,950)
•Field Ambulance (100)
•Armoured Recovery Vehicle (100)
•Armoured Personnel Carrier (3,630)
Logistics and Utility Vehicles
•8x8 Artillery Truck (200)
•6x6 Off-road truck (1,330)
•Artillery Truck (84)
•4x4 Off road truck (400)
•Military All terrain Vehicle (500)
•6x6 Side Truck (100)
Towed Field Artillery
•Mortar (1,210)
•Howitzer (1,650)
•Field Gun (1,200)
Self-propelled field artillery
•Self-propelled Howitzer (780)
•Mortar carrier (24)
Anti-tank
•Recoilless rifle
•Anti-tank missile (1,500+)
•Anti-tank Guided Weapon (18,800)
Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
•MLRS (500+ [est. 1000])
Tactical Ballistic Missiles
•TBM (1,600+)
Towed Anti Aircraft artillery
•Anti-aircraft gun (3,500+)
MANPADS
•Man Portable Air Defence Systems (4,000+)
Self Propelled Air Defence
•Self propelled anti-aircraft gun (800)
•Self propelled SAM system (2,350)
•Self propelled air-defence system (6)
•Long range SAM system (1)
•Transportable SAM system (56)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle
Small Arms
•Pistols
•Carbines
•Assault rifles
•Sniper rifles
•Light, Medium and Heavy machine guns
•Hand grenades
•Mines
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Syrian Army Equipment
(suspected/future use)
S 300 SAM
•Already installed in Syria
•Anti-aircraft
•Designed to combat Patriot missiles
S 400 SAM
•Far superior to Patriot Missiles
•World’s most advanced Air Defence System
•Threatened by Putin
24 Barrel rocket launchers
•Range of 60km
•Most developed artillery weapon of its kind
Skean 5 ground-to-sea missiles
•Capable of sinking any target 25km of Syrian
coast
Chemical Weapons
Reported treatment for Chemical Weapons injuries (Huffington Post)
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Syrian Opposition Equipment
Tanks and armoured vehicles
Towed Field artillery
Self propelled field artillery
•Howitzers
•Field guns
Anti-tank weapons
•Recoilless rifles
•Grenade launchers
Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
Anti-aircraft guns
Man Portable Air Defence
Systems
Small Arms
•Bolt Action rifles
•Battle rifles
•Assault rifles
•Sniper rifles
•Light, Medium and Heavy
Machine Guns
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Syrian Opp. Equipment
(suspected/future use)
US to arm rebels
•Little detail given
•(1) Reuters 22/7/2013
US ‘boots on the ground’ in neighbouring territory
•Lebanon
US to enforce Lybia style no fly zone
•Similar to Libya, may include widespread carpet bombing of suspected
military strongholds etc.
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Lebanon
•Warring, destabilised Lebanon is not in Israeli interest
•prospect of another ungoverned and unpredictable space on Israeli
frontier
•Does not bode well for Hezbollah
•Syria concerned with its own survival
•Iran further separated from Lebanon by increasingly uncontrolled
terrain
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Jordan
•Israel highly interested in the preservation of pro-Western monarch King
Abdullah
•guarded Jordan’s peace treaty with Israel
•keeps discontent among Jordans
•majority are Palestinian refugees
•Jordan’s strongest opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood (political wing=
Islamic Action Front)
•Jordan has praised Israeli efforts for peace “conversations” with
Palestine ahead of talks with John Kerry
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Palestine
•Hamas leadership’s abandonment of Syrian patronage and shift towards Qatar, Turkey and Egypt
•Pushes Hamas in the orbit of influence of America’s allies
•Theoretically: aid more open peace talks (facilitated by Sen. John Kerry)
•prospect of another ungoverned and unpredictable space on Israeli frontier
•Palestinian occupation relegated to third place in the national security agenda
•After Iran and Syria
•International indecision pushes Palestinian agenda further back in Global Politics
Tuesday, 23 July 13
UN
•UN should continue attempting to intervene
•Continue seeking peace in the region
•UN should challenge deployment of hard power by Hezbollah, Iran
and Russian
•UN has no role to play in the Golan Heights
•Disintegration of the UN Disengagement Observer Force proved that
Israel can rely on Israeli Defence Forces for its security
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Israeli public
•Israeli public protected from the events in the north
•Israel not confronted with a massive refugee problem
•Support for remaining in the Golan Heights
•Tactical strikes supported
•From left to right, broadly supportive of what government deems
necessary to stop “balance-breaking” weapons from reaching
Hezbollah
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Recommendations for Action
•Israeli view: not about allies and friends, but about history
•Look at region personally, politically, militarily and historically
•Currently there is a war against Israel, which began before the birth of our
nation: 3 streams:
1. Arab states that do not recognise the legitimacy of Israel in any form (Syria,
Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Gulf States, Iran, Palestinian Authority, Hamas)
2. Countries that don’t control all of their territory (Egypt- Sinai, Syrai control
of Lebanon, Sudan: weapons through Sinai to the Gaza Stripi; Iraq permits
weapons to go to Syria, Al-quaeda in western Iraq making contact with Syria)
3. States that sponsor terrorism (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria (Hezbollah),
Turkey)
•It’s not who fights, its what they fight with
•Israel will retain the right to deploy tactical strikes
•No allies
•Sensible, wary and pragmatic approach
•Broken down into micro-areas of threats (and interests) rather than
comprising a comprehensive picture of the type of Syria Israel would like to
see
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Anticipated Outcomes
•“I have no allies.” “Who has what weapons, and what can I do about it”.
•FSA may have some Israel sympathizers?
•It has never been the case that an new government, having overthrown a govt, supports Israel
•Israel and Russia understand each other better
•Bibi Netanyahu took Major General Aviv Kochavi (Chief of Military Intelligence)
•better than US and Russia, or Israel and US
•Putin also brought his Chief of Military Intelligence demonstrates that Netanyahu is playing with a
totally open hand to the Russians, Russians are playing with totally open hand to Israel
•Russia has sent s300s to Syria
•Israel has said that they will destroy the s300s before they are operational, which Russia probably
believes
•Despite not being on the same page, Russia and Israel are able to talk with each other
•US & Russia= no, US and Israel= no.
•Israel always defensive (produces more kinds of offense for opposition):
•2nd Intafada: Palestinians coming into Israel and blowing up buses
•Israel set up Security Fence
•Naturally, rockets were then used over the walls, to places that could not otherwise have been
accessed
•Iron Dome
•Led to bigger and more powerful offensive rockets
•Israel has a series of Red lines
•different from US red lines: Obama said US had a red line about Chemical weapons, but nothing
to back it up
•The consequence for passing a red line has to be: “we will kill you”
•This is the case with Israel’s red lines, and people know that
•Red lines need to act as deterrence
Tuesday, 23 July 13
Sources
(1) Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-usa-syria-arms-idUSBRE96L0W520130723
(2) Centre for Security Policy’s National Security Group Lunch on Capitol Hill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3CLkeQxf20
(3)Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israel-stays-clear-of-US-debate-on-arming-Syrian-
rebels-316060
(4) SHTFplan.com via Infowars
http://www.infowars.com/russiasyria-will-be-armed-with-weapons-that-have-never-been-seen-before-in-
the-middle-east/
Tuesday, 23 July 13

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Israel's perspective on Syria mid 2013

  • 1. Israel on Syria M. Thorn Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 2. Commentary on situation •3 players on either side: •Battle between Sunni extremists vs Shiite expansion extremists •Alawites, Hezbollah and Iran on one side •Brotherhood, Al-Nusra Front, Al Quaeida on other •Hezbollah (supporters of Assad) vs Al Nusra is going to be one hell of a fight- there are not two peoples in the world who detest each other more •Secular moderates- not many (don’t fight) •Free Syria Army (in which US greatly invested) had a lot of their fighting done by Islamist forces, and they are now trying to get rid of those forces •3 main players outside of Syria: US, Russia and Israel •each of these act according to their own interests: •US interests are extremely muddied •Russia’s are not muddied, but not friendly to the US •Israel (as they always do) breaks everything down to weaponry: who has it? Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 3. Syrian Army Equipment Armoured Fighting Vehicles •Main battle tanks (7,350) •Amphibious light tank (100) •Amphibious Armoured Scout Car (1,125) •Infantry Fighting Vehicle (2,950) •Field Ambulance (100) •Armoured Recovery Vehicle (100) •Armoured Personnel Carrier (3,630) Logistics and Utility Vehicles •8x8 Artillery Truck (200) •6x6 Off-road truck (1,330) •Artillery Truck (84) •4x4 Off road truck (400) •Military All terrain Vehicle (500) •6x6 Side Truck (100) Towed Field Artillery •Mortar (1,210) •Howitzer (1,650) •Field Gun (1,200) Self-propelled field artillery •Self-propelled Howitzer (780) •Mortar carrier (24) Anti-tank •Recoilless rifle •Anti-tank missile (1,500+) •Anti-tank Guided Weapon (18,800) Multiple Launch Rocket Systems •MLRS (500+ [est. 1000]) Tactical Ballistic Missiles •TBM (1,600+) Towed Anti Aircraft artillery •Anti-aircraft gun (3,500+) MANPADS •Man Portable Air Defence Systems (4,000+) Self Propelled Air Defence •Self propelled anti-aircraft gun (800) •Self propelled SAM system (2,350) •Self propelled air-defence system (6) •Long range SAM system (1) •Transportable SAM system (56) Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Small Arms •Pistols •Carbines •Assault rifles •Sniper rifles •Light, Medium and Heavy machine guns •Hand grenades •Mines Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 4. Syrian Army Equipment (suspected/future use) S 300 SAM •Already installed in Syria •Anti-aircraft •Designed to combat Patriot missiles S 400 SAM •Far superior to Patriot Missiles •World’s most advanced Air Defence System •Threatened by Putin 24 Barrel rocket launchers •Range of 60km •Most developed artillery weapon of its kind Skean 5 ground-to-sea missiles •Capable of sinking any target 25km of Syrian coast Chemical Weapons Reported treatment for Chemical Weapons injuries (Huffington Post) Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 5. Syrian Opposition Equipment Tanks and armoured vehicles Towed Field artillery Self propelled field artillery •Howitzers •Field guns Anti-tank weapons •Recoilless rifles •Grenade launchers Multiple Launch Rocket Systems Anti-aircraft guns Man Portable Air Defence Systems Small Arms •Bolt Action rifles •Battle rifles •Assault rifles •Sniper rifles •Light, Medium and Heavy Machine Guns Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 6. Syrian Opp. Equipment (suspected/future use) US to arm rebels •Little detail given •(1) Reuters 22/7/2013 US ‘boots on the ground’ in neighbouring territory •Lebanon US to enforce Lybia style no fly zone •Similar to Libya, may include widespread carpet bombing of suspected military strongholds etc. Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 7. Lebanon •Warring, destabilised Lebanon is not in Israeli interest •prospect of another ungoverned and unpredictable space on Israeli frontier •Does not bode well for Hezbollah •Syria concerned with its own survival •Iran further separated from Lebanon by increasingly uncontrolled terrain Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 8. Jordan •Israel highly interested in the preservation of pro-Western monarch King Abdullah •guarded Jordan’s peace treaty with Israel •keeps discontent among Jordans •majority are Palestinian refugees •Jordan’s strongest opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood (political wing= Islamic Action Front) •Jordan has praised Israeli efforts for peace “conversations” with Palestine ahead of talks with John Kerry Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 9. Palestine •Hamas leadership’s abandonment of Syrian patronage and shift towards Qatar, Turkey and Egypt •Pushes Hamas in the orbit of influence of America’s allies •Theoretically: aid more open peace talks (facilitated by Sen. John Kerry) •prospect of another ungoverned and unpredictable space on Israeli frontier •Palestinian occupation relegated to third place in the national security agenda •After Iran and Syria •International indecision pushes Palestinian agenda further back in Global Politics Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 10. UN •UN should continue attempting to intervene •Continue seeking peace in the region •UN should challenge deployment of hard power by Hezbollah, Iran and Russian •UN has no role to play in the Golan Heights •Disintegration of the UN Disengagement Observer Force proved that Israel can rely on Israeli Defence Forces for its security Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 11. Israeli public •Israeli public protected from the events in the north •Israel not confronted with a massive refugee problem •Support for remaining in the Golan Heights •Tactical strikes supported •From left to right, broadly supportive of what government deems necessary to stop “balance-breaking” weapons from reaching Hezbollah Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 12. Recommendations for Action •Israeli view: not about allies and friends, but about history •Look at region personally, politically, militarily and historically •Currently there is a war against Israel, which began before the birth of our nation: 3 streams: 1. Arab states that do not recognise the legitimacy of Israel in any form (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Gulf States, Iran, Palestinian Authority, Hamas) 2. Countries that don’t control all of their territory (Egypt- Sinai, Syrai control of Lebanon, Sudan: weapons through Sinai to the Gaza Stripi; Iraq permits weapons to go to Syria, Al-quaeda in western Iraq making contact with Syria) 3. States that sponsor terrorism (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria (Hezbollah), Turkey) •It’s not who fights, its what they fight with •Israel will retain the right to deploy tactical strikes •No allies •Sensible, wary and pragmatic approach •Broken down into micro-areas of threats (and interests) rather than comprising a comprehensive picture of the type of Syria Israel would like to see Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 13. Anticipated Outcomes •“I have no allies.” “Who has what weapons, and what can I do about it”. •FSA may have some Israel sympathizers? •It has never been the case that an new government, having overthrown a govt, supports Israel •Israel and Russia understand each other better •Bibi Netanyahu took Major General Aviv Kochavi (Chief of Military Intelligence) •better than US and Russia, or Israel and US •Putin also brought his Chief of Military Intelligence demonstrates that Netanyahu is playing with a totally open hand to the Russians, Russians are playing with totally open hand to Israel •Russia has sent s300s to Syria •Israel has said that they will destroy the s300s before they are operational, which Russia probably believes •Despite not being on the same page, Russia and Israel are able to talk with each other •US & Russia= no, US and Israel= no. •Israel always defensive (produces more kinds of offense for opposition): •2nd Intafada: Palestinians coming into Israel and blowing up buses •Israel set up Security Fence •Naturally, rockets were then used over the walls, to places that could not otherwise have been accessed •Iron Dome •Led to bigger and more powerful offensive rockets •Israel has a series of Red lines •different from US red lines: Obama said US had a red line about Chemical weapons, but nothing to back it up •The consequence for passing a red line has to be: “we will kill you” •This is the case with Israel’s red lines, and people know that •Red lines need to act as deterrence Tuesday, 23 July 13
  • 14. Sources (1) Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-usa-syria-arms-idUSBRE96L0W520130723 (2) Centre for Security Policy’s National Security Group Lunch on Capitol Hill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3CLkeQxf20 (3)Jerusalem Post http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israel-stays-clear-of-US-debate-on-arming-Syrian- rebels-316060 (4) SHTFplan.com via Infowars http://www.infowars.com/russiasyria-will-be-armed-with-weapons-that-have-never-been-seen-before-in- the-middle-east/ Tuesday, 23 July 13