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Edith Cowan University
Training load monitoring:
the past, the present and the future
Wouter Timmerman, MSc
PhD Candidate
School of Medical and Health Science
Edith Cowan University
Monitoring tools
een historisch overzicht
Monitoring tools sports
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and
Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter
(Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in
hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in
sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer
technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2007 - Wearable activity tracker
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2006 - Wearable activity trackers
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Monitoring tools
1816 - Chronometer
….
1970 - Borg RPE scale
1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue
1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor
1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen)
1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors
1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters
1999 - TrainingPeaks Software
2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges
2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport
2006 - Catapult Software
2006 - Wearable activity trackers
2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
Edith Cowan University
The future of monitoring
Monitoring tools
Gartner Hype Cycle
It's not all about creating new methods,
but increasing our knowledge how to
use the existing ones right
Edith Cowan University
Training load modelling
Training load: Fitness-Fatigue model
Coutts et al., 2018
Performance = fitness - fatigue
Banister et al., 1975
Training load: Fitness-Fatigue model
Performance = fitness - fatigue
Banister et al., 1975
Training load
Buchheit & Laursen, 2013
Training loadsession = Volume x Intensiteit
??
Training load
Banister et al., 1975
Training load - Classificatie intensiteiten
Mechanical
• Snelheid, acceleratie, kracht
• Vermogen (Power)
External perceptual
• Observatie coach
• Arbitraire scores
Physiological
• Hartslag
• Lactaat
• Gasanalyse
Perceptual
• Rating of Perceived Exertion (RPE)
extern
intern
objectief subjectief
Halson, 2014
Verschillende informatie
Training load – van intensiteit naar load
Intensiteit Training Load
Hartslag Training Impuls (TRIMP)
RPE Session RPE (sRPE)
Vermogen Training Stress Score (TSS)
x volume
Training load
Sanders et al., 2018
Verschillende informatie
Training load - interval training
Training loadsession = Volume x Intensiteit
Buchheit & Laursen, 2013
Training load - interval training
MacInnis & Gibala, 2017
Training load als getal => Verlies van informatie
?
=
?
=
Training load - acuut
Calvert et al., 1976
Training load - chronisch
Banister et al., 1975
Calvert et al., 1976
Training load - acuut
Banister et al., 1975
Calvert et al., 1976
Tijdsconstante voor verval fitness en fatigue?
Edith Cowan University
Training load in het
training proces
Training proces
Training proces
Impellizzeri et al., 2005
Training proces
Coutts et al., 2018; Impellizzeri et al., 2005; Selye, 1946
Training proces
Banister et al., 1975; Coutts, 2018; Kiely, 2018;
Impellizzeri et al., 2005, 2019; Selye, 1946
Training proces
Banister et al., 1975; Coutts, 2018; Kiely, 2018; Impellizzeri
et al., 2005, 2019; Sanders, 2018; Selye, 1946
Training proces
Training load
Edith Cowan University
Context is king
Training load monitoring
(Athlete) Load monitoring
Athlete monitoring
is het observeren en evalueren van relevante variabelen
die het training process beinvloeden
Context
Soligard et al., 2016
Context
Banister et al., 1975
Training load monitoring
Athlete monitoring
Context
West et al., 2020
Context
NOT EVERYTHING THAT
CAN BE COUNTED
COUNTS,
AND NOT EVERYTHING
THAT COUNTS
CAN BE COUNTED
Cameron, 1963
Context
Edith Cowan University
Interpretatie training load
Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
1. Wat is de training load metric?
 Training Stress Score (TSS): extern en objectief
2. Wat is de formule voor load?
 TSS = NP2/FTP2 x time
3. Hoe wordt de intensiteit weergegeven?
 Rolling weighted average
4. Hoe is de intensiteit gewogen?
 Individuele fysiologische respons (FTP)
Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
1. Hoe lang tellen de training mee?
 Chronic Training Load: 42 days (fitness)
 Acute Training Load: 7 days (fatigue)
2. Hoe wordt de training load gewogen over tijd?
 Exponentially weighted average (EWA)
3. Hoe tellen de verschillende sporten mee?
 Som van de individuele sporten
Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
Rekening houden tijdens de interpretatie met:
• Structuur binnen een training
= TL, different training response
• Trainingspolarisatie
• Taper is verkeerd
• Combineren verschillende sporten
• Meerdere trainingen op een dag
• Lange fietstrainingen geven hoge training loads
• Geen invloed van context factoren op training load
Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
Fietsen Lopen
Key points:
• Nieuwer is niet altijd beter
• Weet wat je meet en ook wat je niet meet
• Er is meer in het leven dan training load
• Monitoring data interpreteert zichzelf niet
Zijn er vragen?
w.timmerman@ecu.edu.au
@timmermanwouter

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ws083-training-load-monitoring-the-past-the-present-and-the-future-ppt.pptx

  • 1. Edith Cowan University Training load monitoring: the past, the present and the future Wouter Timmerman, MSc PhD Candidate School of Medical and Health Science
  • 2. Edith Cowan University Monitoring tools een historisch overzicht Monitoring tools sports
  • 3. 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.) Monitoring tools
  • 4. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 5. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 6. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 7. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 8. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 9. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 10. 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.) Monitoring tools
  • 11. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 12. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 13. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2007 - Wearable activity tracker 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 14. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2006 - Wearable activity trackers 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 15. Monitoring tools 1816 - Chronometer …. 1970 - Borg RPE scale 1975 - Banister TRIMP training load and Fitness-Fatigue 1982 - Draadloze hartslagmonitor 1988 - Crank based power meter (Fietsen) 1995 - HRV monitoring in hartslagmonitors 1995 - Draagbare lactaatmeters 1999 - TrainingPeaks Software 2003 – GPS technologie in sporthorloges 2005 - GPS and accelerometer technologie in team sport 2006 - Catapult Software 2006 - Wearable activity trackers 2016 - Subjective monitoring (Saw et al.)
  • 16. Edith Cowan University The future of monitoring
  • 19. It's not all about creating new methods, but increasing our knowledge how to use the existing ones right
  • 21. Training load: Fitness-Fatigue model Coutts et al., 2018 Performance = fitness - fatigue Banister et al., 1975
  • 22. Training load: Fitness-Fatigue model Performance = fitness - fatigue Banister et al., 1975
  • 23. Training load Buchheit & Laursen, 2013 Training loadsession = Volume x Intensiteit ??
  • 25. Training load - Classificatie intensiteiten Mechanical • Snelheid, acceleratie, kracht • Vermogen (Power) External perceptual • Observatie coach • Arbitraire scores Physiological • Hartslag • Lactaat • Gasanalyse Perceptual • Rating of Perceived Exertion (RPE) extern intern objectief subjectief Halson, 2014 Verschillende informatie
  • 26. Training load – van intensiteit naar load Intensiteit Training Load Hartslag Training Impuls (TRIMP) RPE Session RPE (sRPE) Vermogen Training Stress Score (TSS) x volume
  • 27. Training load Sanders et al., 2018 Verschillende informatie
  • 28. Training load - interval training Training loadsession = Volume x Intensiteit Buchheit & Laursen, 2013
  • 29. Training load - interval training MacInnis & Gibala, 2017 Training load als getal => Verlies van informatie ? = ? =
  • 30. Training load - acuut Calvert et al., 1976
  • 31. Training load - chronisch Banister et al., 1975 Calvert et al., 1976
  • 32. Training load - acuut Banister et al., 1975 Calvert et al., 1976 Tijdsconstante voor verval fitness en fatigue?
  • 33. Edith Cowan University Training load in het training proces
  • 36. Training proces Coutts et al., 2018; Impellizzeri et al., 2005; Selye, 1946
  • 37. Training proces Banister et al., 1975; Coutts, 2018; Kiely, 2018; Impellizzeri et al., 2005, 2019; Selye, 1946
  • 38. Training proces Banister et al., 1975; Coutts, 2018; Kiely, 2018; Impellizzeri et al., 2005, 2019; Sanders, 2018; Selye, 1946
  • 41. Training load monitoring (Athlete) Load monitoring Athlete monitoring is het observeren en evalueren van relevante variabelen die het training process beinvloeden Context Soligard et al., 2016
  • 42. Context Banister et al., 1975 Training load monitoring Athlete monitoring
  • 44. Context NOT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE COUNTED COUNTS, AND NOT EVERYTHING THAT COUNTS CAN BE COUNTED Cameron, 1963
  • 48. 1. Wat is de training load metric?  Training Stress Score (TSS): extern en objectief 2. Wat is de formule voor load?  TSS = NP2/FTP2 x time 3. Hoe wordt de intensiteit weergegeven?  Rolling weighted average 4. Hoe is de intensiteit gewogen?  Individuele fysiologische respons (FTP) Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
  • 49. 1. Hoe lang tellen de training mee?  Chronic Training Load: 42 days (fitness)  Acute Training Load: 7 days (fatigue) 2. Hoe wordt de training load gewogen over tijd?  Exponentially weighted average (EWA) 3. Hoe tellen de verschillende sporten mee?  Som van de individuele sporten Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
  • 50. Rekening houden tijdens de interpretatie met: • Structuur binnen een training = TL, different training response • Trainingspolarisatie • Taper is verkeerd • Combineren verschillende sporten • Meerdere trainingen op een dag • Lange fietstrainingen geven hoge training loads • Geen invloed van context factoren op training load Voorbeeld TrainingPeaks
  • 52. Key points: • Nieuwer is niet altijd beter • Weet wat je meet en ook wat je niet meet • Er is meer in het leven dan training load • Monitoring data interpreteert zichzelf niet

Notes de l'éditeur

  1. Geen gasanalyse
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  4. Geen gasanalyse
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  14. Slaap devices >> verhoogde angstgevoelens
  15. Het is niet enkel wat je meet, maar ook wat je ermee doet
  16. “None of the physiological or attitude measures were incorporated into quantifiying the Trianing Impulse). This remains to be done subsequently TL originally made to predict perforamnce
  17. TL monitoring also sports load
  18. Voornamelijk intensiteiten
  19. Training organisation = training load ≠ physiological training response (MacInnis & Gibala, 2017) - Time of day / structure within day DATA REDUCTION
  20. Which intensity? External/internal and objective/subjective How do we average intensity? Mean value General or individual zones Each value Rolling average How do we weigh intensity? Arbitrary General or individual physiological responses
  21. Athlete load monitoring >> stressors/stimuli that is applied to the athlete >> goal for it to be quantifiable Athlete monitoring >> everything that can be captured
  22. TL monitoring >> athlete monitoring
  23. Joel Filliol Patrick Mouratoglou Phil Jackson Jurgen Klopp
  24. Ik gebruik het als proxy om te kijken ‘did we do the work’? Vertel dat je het ook met uren kunt doen Wat ik niet leuk vind aan uren is dat het vaak opbreekt in weken, maar je kan ook langere rolling averages ervan maken