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Let's discuss it here. I posted this in the
forum earlier today:
I'm definitely not that happy with the alerts
lately. I understand the reasons they are
being done: trim the paper portfolio, etc, but
let's have a little compassion for all the
underwater stock holders who have
patiently held for a couple months, & just
want now to be able to break even, let
alone make money.
When I go to trim my portfolio, the only
person it affects is me I am not sending
out an alert to 2000 members many of
which may not understand that they're not
supposed to do the same. Yet, people
really seem to want to minimize the effects
that the alerts have for some reason, which
is frustrating, because the timing correlates
so perfectly to the sequence of events:
1) Alert comes out;
2) within minutes, stock starts to pull back;
3) a quick jump to twitter and a search for
$TRTC reveals a lot of shorts initiating their
positions it's almost a drop dead certainty
that a lot of shorting/trading groups have
memberships here why wouldn't they? it's
not that expensive for what you get;
Value of Trading Alerts Subscribe
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4) they tier off the weakness caused by the
420i sellers and the stock drops more,
which snowballs as they feed into each
other and they ride it down...
(FYI today's drop was being shorted by
Nathan Michaud's InvestorLive group ..
among others)
I appreciate very much your rationale, Alan,
and I think you are a man of great integrity
it is one of the things I like most about
you and it makes me trust you a lot, even
though we have never met but maybe
there's a way to cool it until the market
stops being so bearish and some recovery
has happened?
I appreciate that you want to do things 'the
right away', but frankly, many
investing/trading services issue buy alerts
and leave it to the individual to decide when
they want to exit. Investor's Business
Daily, Best Trend Trades, etc.
I don't know the full solution, but it's really
demoralizing to keep having this happen
and then for you to argue so vehemently
that you have no market effect. I do, very
much, however, appreciate your openness
to a constructive dialog about this, because
I really do feel that you want what's best for
the community.
So thank you, again, for reading this, and
the opportunity to have even shared my
thoughts.
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This has been happening for a while, not
just on TRTC. I said a while back, after the
community grew, folks joined for nefarious
reasons. AB, I would think you would be
concerned with FINRA or the SEC
investigating this site. I worry about that
more than the halts. The trades bring undo
attention to the stocks and the site. JMHO
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My main criticism is, of course, is the
alerts are moving the stocks. The alerts
have too much influence. People are losing
money at the expense of a "learning tool"
when there are thousands of sites to learn
trading and investing from. Many sites are
free, in fact. Read a book about
trading....like it was done before
computers. The alerts DO have an
immediate impact on the stock price. Been
here six months and I know from personal
experience...so I stopped following the
alerts a long time ago.
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The paper portfolios have become a
serious problem that need attention. I can't
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help but think that 420 investor has to an
extent actually become "third party
manipulation." It seems to be glaringly
obvious at this point. I am sure newer
investors are benefiting by following the
buys and sells, but truly feel that at this
point, the cost has become too great to
ignore. I understand the marketing strategy
behind the portfolios and why Alan and
other members value them. I do think we
need to critically evaluate them and seek a
resolution at this point however. And the
fact that the buy/sell orders have been,
without doubt, affecting pps's directly, and
are now being gamed by other outside
groups.
I am trying to think of a good solution to
this problem and keep coming back to
eliminating the paper. I've personally had
more than a few days dampened by sell
alerts and the resulting selloffs. And to be
honest, I value 420i for the timely texts on
the tickers we are following and resulting
intelligent community discussions. The
trade alerts truly seem to have become a
greater burden that they are worth. I think
change here is necessary and would be a
very good thing.
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First off, I have a question for all those
who held TRTC going into tomorrow. Why?
You do know they may not be one of the
18 selected. And based on the
presentation, at least in my opinion, they
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won't get the nod. The questioner obviously
was concerned about giving a public
company a license, due to the risk the sec
could shut them down. Then what? They
wasted time, energy, and a license. That's
how I read between the lines. Derek
indicated there is no risk, and the sec won't
be a problem, but I am not sure the panel
will take that chance. Then what happens
to the pps? Well, it won't be good. As far
as the portfolio and alert today, AB, played
it as if it was his own money today, and it
was a good paper trade. Although, I agree
splicing these holdings may not be the
best idea. Sell half, keep the rest on the
table. But I am not used to holding and
selling off small portions of the holding. But
for the most part, when they are alerted
here it does cause too much volatility. So
even more so, perhaps the portfolio should
either sell all, or keep half in. Shorts
absolutely either use the sites info directly,
or take advantage of our alerts. I admit, the
way these portfolios are run, are a little
unorthodox for me. Most traders want to
make money. And that is far and between
lately. In my opinion, there is too much
volatility to play these long term. Maybe
three to five the most I would consider
holding long term. The short term portfolio
is too long for my taste. Subscribers may
be better served here by offering true short
term trade alerts. Like momentum, swing,
scalp, day trades. It is time to stop
worrying about if we move the market or
not. Move the dam market. Everyone else
does. Most of the CEO' s in these
companies are self serving and double
tongued. They make plenty of money off
our backs. And for the most part, they
stopped speaking to us anyway. Unless it

is to CTOA! It is about us, the paying
subscribers. What do we want, considering
also this is Ab's gig. This is his show.
Which means I may not agree with
everything he does. and I sometimes play
the alerts, and most of the time I don't. I
would be open to some ideas how to make
the portfolios even better for subscribers. I
like the idea of a forum, or another more
comprehensive survey on the issue.
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Because of low volume, I have really had
to scale back trades in general. My goal is
to minimize volatility. For all my
momentumbusting on TRTC, it rallied
dramatically following my first sale near
.54. I would like to remind everyone of the
survey we did on 5/27. 83% found the
trade alerts helpful or very helpful. I
appreciate your points and hope that rather
than calling for them to end that you can
share constructive criticism to make them
work better. Here was that survey:
http://www.marketfy.com/product/420inves
tor/blog/815/view/47703/
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This was the PM to Random:
Thanks, and I really don't mind if there is a
forum discussion on this topic that's a
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more appropriate place.
I am cooling positions in the "Flying High"
for now, though for a different reason not
enough volume in the sector. I appreciate
what you are saying, but I can't do buys
not sells.
The truth is I feel less badly about this
than I do about NOT selling when the
market was rallying before. I set a very bad
example, and people lost a lot of money. I
have vowed not to let that happen again.
The reality is that I will be criticized no
matter what. Fortunately I am thick
skinned! What can I do? Listen to my
subscribers, try to incorporate what they
are saying to minimize any sort of issues
that arise and remain open and honest.
Again, I sympathize and take your words
to heart. Thank you for sharing.
Best,
Alan
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This is America the beautiful. Appreciate
the willingness to discuss the topic. I have
made
way more money with you then without you
AB. Keep up the good work. There is no
perfect
site that makes everyone happy. All things
evolve. I know, 420i will only get better and
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better
under your Leadership. The sector isn't
exactly cooperating with us right now.
That even makes
it more difficult.
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AB I think a big part of the problem is that
when you do a sell alert many of the
"newbies/sheep" just hit the bid no
questions asked and it just snowballs out
of control way more than it should.
Obviously a strong stock is eventually
going to go higher regardless of your short
term sell. I get that.
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I like seeing the trade alerts but my
suggestion would be in this low volume
enviorment instead of piecing out on these
sells (trtc today was a $1200 trade) maybe
only do one or two trades to close out a
position.
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On the other hand, I like the alerts. I don't
follow them blindly. I take them, look at the
charts and with the daily videos I try to
understand the why behind the alert. It's
onthejob training for trading to me. I
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definitely see your points though. Until the
market really grows it may be that we have
to live with the volatility we self inflict.
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I, for one, do not have any issue with you
for not selling when the market was way
up. Maybe an issue with myself. Maybe
more of an issue with the SEC. And I love
the trade alerts. It was one of the great
features of this site. When everything was
nice and pure. But it isn't any longer. The
Wolves and Sykes prey upon 420 trades.
This is out there on social media. They
play us. And it sucks. But we must be
aware of it. Alan, I am sorry of I offended
you, truly. But if we don't acknowledge and
react to this, then we become bait. So
please realize that our, or at least my,
displeasure , has not been with the spirit of
a trade account, but how it is being used
against us. And for the new traders who
rely on this most, they will be taken
advantage of the most. Much love to all
420 members, as this is meant with the
utmost consideration for us all!
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The only really strong stock in this sector
is GWPH IMO and even it has some
problems.
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I love 420i, but definitely NOT the Trade
Alerts. Information and group discussion is
one thing calling out "everybody IN,
NOW", "everybody OUT, NOW,
is a DISASTER. Intended or not, people
are tripping over themselves to get in/out
first, and you can see the exact moment
the Trade Alert was sent out. Not Good.
Then it has a Gap to fill, and people get
hurt. I don't personally follow them, so they
have not hurt me personally I have no
axe to grind. But it can affect the chart for
days until the dust settles.
People need to study (here is good), and
then make up their OWN minds IF and
WHEN to Buy and Sell Not just Blindly
follow Alan. It has become like a Jim
Cramer effect at this point. Other than the
Trade Alerts, I'm crazy about this site, and
Very Grateful for it. This is a Wonderful
Group, and Alan is The Greatest leader we
could have Ever hoped for. I hope we are
ALL here together for a very long time
Everybody making money. But have
Personal Responsibility for your Trades.
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The amount of answers of "somewhat
helpful" and "not helpful" leave much to
interpretation I think. With the revelation
now that shorters are absolutely using the
paper sells to take advantage of the group
selling resulting from these trades is new
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info to consider. I would have previously
voted "somewhat helpful", but today I
would vote, "not helpful" with a note of
quite possibly destructive, risky, and
seriously need to consider an alternative.
Respectfully.
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Fibs are super important magnet
points....yet they are not on the charts
....aren't learning fibs a critical component
to learning how to trade? :/
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It's not easy pleasing thousands. You guys
should know, if you listen to the videos,
that these tradealerts are a small part of
the color I provide. But, they are important
to a lot of people paying to be here. In the
best of scenarios, we can work to make
improvements and minimize problems. I
promise I am all ears.
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ThornGurl, I actually have included them
on a few charts for the past several days. I
have discussed them before, but now they
are actually there. Crap! I forgot to do the
video for tomorrow!
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The real prob is that others follow your
sells and sell or short the stock in
question. Yes you sold at a good point and
made a good profit on paper but to those
who try to buy and hold not so much so.
Are we all supposed to become day traders
or swing traders? I thought the point was to
be 420 Investors?
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As of June 2014, the portfolio trades are
being used by groups to profit off of our
group selling. It is a damn shame. I truly
cannot think of a better solution at this
moment than ending the trades. I will hold
out hope that I we can come to a better
solution, or that the new survey determines
overwhelmingly that most members see it
as more negative than positive now. It is a
shame, but times have changed. Looking
forward to Sunday's results and continued
conversation as this seems to be a very
pressing topic.
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Jerry, the lesson I am teaching here is
positionsizing and riskmanagement. It's
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not daytrading or swingtrading, but it is
rebalancing a portfolio when the market
moves a lot.
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AB, I know you feel that personally
investing in these stocks is unethical, or
inappropriate.
And I agree, for the most part. But, as long
as we have been involved in this sector, I
am less inclined to hold these stocks long,
or care too much about the CEO's who run
them.
All that time and effort into PHOT, Sterling
and Rob, and we were the ones who got
burned.
Maybe it is time to balance the equation.
Sincerely engage these CEO's, but not
care so much
who we make happy. If we move the
market, etc...
Most genuine stock analyst services have
the one who runs the service,
alert and play the stock themselves. Real
money.
If you feel you can't cross that line, could
you hire a separate analyst to initiate a
alert geared toward day traders. Long term
is just not the way to play the sector right
now.
Perhaps someone from within our group
can run it. Like Rainman or DW, following
the
Conference of course. I could run it for
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Pete;s sake.
I think more of your subscribers would
make more money, and
in the end, increase your subscriber base.
The information this service provides is
second to none.
But, the sector is becoming more
challenging to trade.
Group alerts, based off a stock that has
good news, high volume, technically ripe,
offering buy and sell point. With 10% stop
loss would be killer.
We are getting played on most these
stocks. It is time to play them!
Day trade, with swing trading, scalping, is
the way to trade this sector
right now.
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I am almost certain that I will be chided for
not selling enough if TRTC drops a bit
more.
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I have found the alerts helpful as far as
learning when a wise trader would normally
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trade, but I can't help but get the
impression that lately they have had an
immediate, noticeable impact on the
momentum of some of these stocks. I also
dislike the all or nothing option on the
survey. Wish there was an inbetween
option.
I understand the sentiment of some of the
members that it is hard on our bottom line.
Especially if we are poised to apply the
principles you are teaching, when the
teacher's lesson has the potential to throw
us off from making our best trade (hitting
our targets).
Maybe it is people playing games shorting
the stock, or maybe it's other people in this
group following your trades, but let's face
it, in this space, you are definitely a market
mover, even if you are playing a paper
portfolio. I don't mean to imply that it
happens all the time, but it seems the
impact is heightened in this fearful market,
and I think that at those times it costs us
money. If we could make the trades at the
same time as you, we would be up as
much. Instead I feel like I'm eating your
dust lately.
It's your show, though. Play it as you think
best. Thanks for providing the service. I'm
still making some profitable trades, thanks
to your advice.
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Does Marketfy require a portfolio and
alerts? Seems part of the marketing is to
follow traders.
If there is hesitation on trades for one
reason or the other than they are not
working as intended anyway.
I have heard of autotrader newsletters.
Would this be an option for people who just
want an ETF type situation. The trades
could be discussed well after they happen
then. But an autotrader is probably more
pressure than a paper portfolio and
logisticslly tough. But this is what the
sheeple are striving for if they follow every
trade.
I saw a lot of troll activity during the March
madness fire sale so maybe put a premium
price on the alerts. Not sure it will lock
down the leaks but we have to keep these
alerts in house somehow.
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Officerk1, Sterling is a crushed man and
Rob lost his dream.
I agree 100% F* these CEOs. I am
already there, in case you haven't noticed.
I am sure Marco was pissed today they
answered my questions after the bell rang.
Glad I "sold", wish I wouldn't have waited.
By the way, Derek has never complained
about a sell ever. Can't say the same for
Bill C! This is the real reason I won't do a
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long in VPOR lol!
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Or blamed of it rises. Can't win.
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Well if rebalancing and risk avoidance is
key should not VAPE have been sold long
ago. It's down 66%.
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Care to share the answers with some of us
PHOT holders? I don't like the tone of that
note at all above. I personally don't blame
any of these companies for not replying to
emails in this environment.
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AlanBrochsteinCFA said:
I am almost certain that I will be
chided for not selling enough if TRTC
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drops a bit more.
No worries Alan. There will be those that
defend you as well. But if you didn't reco
buying or selling, that would no longer be a
problem? Something else to consider. I
personally think you do not need to take
heat anymore on trades, and would benefit
us all to focus your energy on research and
continuing to reveal info relating to
companies that WE can consider buying
and where to sell. I can see this problem
getting bigger as membership continues to
grow. You built it, we came. I am here for
the research. And thanks for that!
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F Sterling and Rob. Lost over 80k on
Those D bags.
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No, I don't have to offer alerts.
Let me tell you guys something I didn't
say, and I will post this in the video (after I
eat dinner). There was another reason that
I trimmed TRTC today, and it's awkward. I
wouldn't have trimmed it in front of .85, but
I heard from someone in NYC that doesn't
know the pot stocks but knows I am
involved. He told me of a short report
making the rounds (I haven't seen it). I am
reluctant to say anything even now, but the
last thing I want to do is fuel the shorts by
saying that in the tradealert commentary.
If I didn't have tradealerts, would you guys
want me to blast that out: "Stand by, rumor
that a negative TRTC article about to come
out on SA"? I know, I should call each of
you by phone and whisper it to you! Even
absent that, I was primed to trim. I don't
want to get nailed holding too much TRTC
do you guys? If they get skunked in Clark
County, the stock will be sliced and diced.
How many of you who constantly complain
about these trims can say that they haven't
sold a single share since the move up from
.34? God forbid they get halted.
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It's easy to associate the action with what
we do, but I am not ready to take the
blame. I have really changed it up to
accommodate for our size (and left some
big paper money on the table not snapping
up BRDT near .31). I think the frustration is
that many of you want your stocks to go
up every day. This isn't realistic. I will say
this again this market is more of a trading
market than an investment market. Most of
you guys know this I know that.
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Here is the difference... I value Alan's
personal as well as professional opinion...
You all are making it so he will never say
anything... that would be a major loss to
this community. It's simple... you can
follow his alerts or not ! Take some
responsibility for what YOU do
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@KiteGradient, I will get those responses
out there. They were really nonresponses.
The most depressing was: When do you
expect to say more about GrowLife 2.0?
"Later this year". Argggh! There was
nothing "bad" the point was waiting for the
answers was truly a waste of time.
@remix20, selfishly, I would like to not
have to make calls, and I do hope to get
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someone in here to do that for me over
time. That was my original thinking with
Rod, but it didn't play out that way. My
biggest goal is to help people separate the
potential winners from the likely losers. It
would benefit me greatly NOT to talk about
valuations and prices but rather business
models an management strengths and
weaknesses, etc. With that said, many
people find it helpful.
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There are a lot of newbies including myself
who have and do follow the portfolios.Their
value is not for me to decide. But once you
lost the edge (while in NYC I believe) the
stocks tanked and should have been sold.
IMO That is when I stopped following.
They were not showing us one of the top 3
rules "capital preservation." At that point it
could have been a very useful teaching
aid.
Now they seem out of sync. If they're for
teaching, combine them into Basics by
Brochstein and show us more than "risk
management".
One thing that is strange about the trade
alerts, is that they're based on "paper
portfolios" and don't require the orders to
be filled. Very different than real trades and
some what deceiving in that the trade is
always filled at that level.
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I say we go through our own 420i 2.0. I
think we, including AB, is entitled. We
learned the hard
way here. We got lost in the hype of an
incredible stock bubble. The hype offered
up by these CEO's.
The portfolios were a great idea at one
point. And based on your background AB
in the Big Board stocks,
I understand why you did them. But these
are not Big Board stocks. After some
thought, consider starting
over AB. Revamp the portfolios, or change
it up some how. Maybe just continue to
sell off the dead weight.
You may get some slack, but in the end,
the portfolios look bad for the site. Could
the stocks recover, and show profit?
Perhaps, hopefully with Washington and
Weedstock.
But if not then, next go around is in the
Fall.
Just food for thought.
And AB, consider the addition of a trading
alert platform for daytraders.
It is the only way to trade most of these
stocks right now.
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I think we should have more paper
portfolio's, run by Rain, Brayden and others
of AB's choosing. AB I believe a lot of your
subscribers are novice investors and aren't
able to monitor things well during trading
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hours. This place has kind of turned into
420 day trader and it leaves people like me
with a bad taste in my mouth. The pro's
seem to knock the novices for not knowing
when to sell etc. Your sell alerts don't help
the novice with a day job at all. I believe
your TRTC alert hurt momentum today,as
did your bailing from PHOT, which you
should have bailed from long ago. Let there
be many paper portfolios in the forum, with
all the buy and sell alerts done in there. I
love your service, value your opinion and
am amazed at your work ethic, but it
seems like you have too much on your
plate to be managing a couple of poorly
performing portfolios. Let a bunch of the
"pros" here do it and distance yourself from
having the added burden of making people
money.
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I appreciate all the work that AB puts into
the research. I am happy my monthly
payment is going to help pay for private
investigators. I would prefer all of that work
continue. I would still love the kind of
advice you have been giving on stocks like
erbb. "I don't care for the stock, but there
could be money to be made here" for
reasons x y and z. Pointing out possible
double bottoms, giving us the heads up on
possible news, giving us the all clear that a
company passes your investigations, etc
etc. I would love your opinion on good price
to get in on a particular stock, and even
what FIB might say would be a good point
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to get out. I have learned so much here
and want to continue to be a part of this
community. I think the times have changed
since 420i was conceived, and now we
need to adapt. The investor part is why I
joined, lately it feels a lot less investing. I
will support whatever direction the forum
and AB decide to go, if it doesn't adapt; I
will have to find a way to do so. Thank you
for the open dialogue Alan.
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No doubt before I joined 420 the only weed
stock I knew about was PHOT. After
joining I learned of better stocks. Your
research has always been top notch in my
book, I also enjoy listening to your weekly
calls and the comments from other
investors, all in all you have a great
service. I could live without your sells
though and thats just because to many
follow or short your sells.
IMO it was the big runs made in the sector
that brought in new investors, well the way
things are going now the big runs are over.
Without new investors the sector will not
grow.
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Im all for what K1 is saying, I think he
described my sentiments exactly. But its
clear we have a mole element in the
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membership thats leaking info to media
sites, whether they use it to short, buy or
sell stock. That is not the intended use or
target of this service. I think Alan has
carved out a bit of an internet presence
and this info is way too exploitable. That
factor multiplies or is a function of a
market's volatility, meaning the more in
play an equity or service is, the more this
service influences. And thats the part Im
not sure I agree with.
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I'm really not experienced or savvy enough
at this point to comment intelligently on the
complexities and nuances of how AB's
trade alerts affect the market or are used
by others to do so. However, for me, there
HAS to be some accountability in terms of
having an open, monitored (paper) trading
account. This may sound petty, but
otherwise all the "wise counsel" from AB
et. al. would seem pretty empty and easy.
I don't by any means follow AB's day by
day trades but I'm glad he has to make
them, and it's strangely relieving to go to
the "Portfolio Page" and see that AB is
doing almost as badly as (sometimes even
worse than!) I am in his "Flying High" and
"420 Opportunity" paper trading accounts.
In fact, I'd be pretty fucking disgusted with
myself if I thought I was the only one who
is getting so badly beaten up in this market
just because I am a relative rookie. So,
however we settle on approaching it, for
me, AB (and/or Brayden and/or Rainman)
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having publicly accessible (and thus
publicly "accountable") trading accounts is
a MUST for the integrity of 420i. [I know
this isn't exactly what is being debated
here, but I feel very, very strongly about it
if I'm going to trust a teacher or a coach
or a therapist, I need to know that they can
and will "practice what they preach," and
that their ass is hanging out there just like
mine is...]
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Let's use these forums as a gauge of
sentiment!
That means you, the other 1500 420i
members who never say anything or take
action. What does the silent majority think?
Take the survey too. If we can't 50% or
more to vote or "agree" on these
comments then we have a problem and
site usability issue.
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I am going to be a bit brutal here, but
without AB's call alerts the majority of you
would be lost in when to buy or sell. You'd
buy and hold, like somebody here I won't
name and not sell TRTC at 1.42 and hold
the bag all the way down below .40. That's
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what you want again? You can't pick and
choose which alerts best benefit you at a
particular time.
I see bickering for the better half of the day
about nonsense, but I don't see a lot of
education happening.
Self learning. I am doing it more now that I
have more time in my day. My 2 cents.
Trade alerts make people real money who
either don't have the time to learn the
markets or don't want to and for this
community, that's the majority here. If you
were all experts you'd just be day trading
and not caring about what the company is
about.
Good luck, keep trade alerts.
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I appreciate all the feedback and thank you
also for bringing it here. It will make it
easier to carry on the discussion too, as
this isn't something that necessarily gets
resolved in an instant. I do want to remind
everyone that the 420 Opportunity, which
is really the one that I expect to be better
suited for us (and where I trimmed TRTC),
is not measured against "making money"
or "osing money". I have been very clear
the goal is to beat the index. The index has
dropped more than our portfolio. It's
important that you understand this.
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I say keep the alerts it's one of the main
reasons I joined. However, I don't agree
when sell alerts are sometimes issued with
the reason "to trim the portfolio for other
opportunities" in my opinion, a sell alert
should be issued when there is a
fundamental or technical reason to do so. I
haven't noticed the alerts moving the stock
prices much, unlike pump/dump
newsletters and especially seeking alpha
articles! I hope the decision is not made
because of the minority of those who are
complaining or because the portfolio
showing losses over the last few months
may be slowing down getting new
members. I agree with Sri Bud there
needs to be some accountability.
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Thanks AB.
Joel, even for the more experienced
traders, the stocks in this sector
are more difficult to time, and trade for
profit. And why? Because the volume is
anemic.
Keep up the education and dd. But in the
end, even with all that, it is tough to trade
these stocks.
That's why I think more and more of our
community may be jumping
on the alerts given here. Again, a buy and
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sell signal isn't as easy as it once was.
And that's why thousands of traders pay
for services who offer buy and sell calls.
There is nothing wrong with it.
Trade alerts from stock groups, like 420i,
should be for stocks that has broken
through resistance, has good volume
already, we come in, which increases
volume and even
triggers other traders to come in, which will
also raise volume and make the stock
more liquid, making it easier to come in
and out for profit.
Yes it moves the market, that's what you
want.
The information we get here is great, but if
you can't trade the stocks
once you get the information, what good is
it?
Trade alerts are vital to any lasting stock
group, especially for this sector right now.
Preferably offered and played with real
money by the one who alerts it.
Then you know game on. And more of the
community will be on the
same page.
Again, not necessarily even by you AB.
You can get someone
else involved if you don't feel comfortable.
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Some good and valid points made here.
Maybe something that I picked up was that
we should not base trades on the paper
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portfolio. Because of cash or particular
weight of one stock, etc. maybe a trade, if
this is what we are going to do, should be
based on tha particular
stock merit, v/s other stocks in the paper
and the weight, it should be up to each
trader/investor to manage that on their
own. So don't sell, say TRTC because it
has become to heavy in the paper, but sell
it because the fundamentals say sell.
How's that?!?
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A wise maven once said, "you are only as
smart as your last trade"
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And also, not just a Rod technical
analysis, but also based on news,
momentum, etc. my trade should not be
based on what's in the 420 portfolio. And
for the record, mine are not, but if people
are following, each trade should be
independent of other holdings from now on.
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I say keep the alerts. Interesting to see
how AB trades then make my own
decisions.
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The trtc trade today was a great call.
Unfortunately, I also believe we are being
manipulated outside of 420i. We can't have
that. If you believe that we are moving the
market and being manipulated, the obvious
vote is no. If the vote is yes then you may
want to trade the alerts. I have had a better
time in the past taking profits and watching
some get away. Narrowing that margin of
error and learning to better take advantage
of the up swings has been the goal. During
the best months my decisions taking
profits too soon was a problem even when
they were relatively large profits, but it
worked, when everything was rising. Good
problem to have. We will have to trade
according to the outcome of this vote.
Choices are: Keep the portfolios and trade
the alerts, or do away with them and make
your own decisions base on dd. We just
surveyed this in May and now may need to
adjust. Next month we may need to adjust
something else. I hope we will always be
keenly aware to the world outside of 420
and tweak this place as needed. We have
to be the best in the sector. That is all that
matters.
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posted that twice oops
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Ie: don't sell TRTC because it has become
too heavily weighted in the 420 portfolio.
Sell it because it makes sense relative to
other reasons/criteria. My portfolio does
not mirror 420, and information
is being leaked, we may be missing out on
some real gains. Out!
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By all means, keep the trade alerts. Also,
each individual investor must have his own
plan for a stock. For example, if a stock
goes up a lot, sell some. Also, if a stock is
falling and looks bad, take a loss. With
penny stocks, is about a winning a majority
of times, not all the time. Also, I hope Alan
will make more new picks. If a stock is
good, and has a low float, don't be afraid to
make a pick fearing that he might move it.
Have a disclaimer, don't pay a certain price
over a certain amount. CANLF and RSSFF
are examples of good stocks with low
floats that have been running. Alan runs a
great site, but don't forget to look at other
sites for more ideas.
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I don't envy you on this Alan. It's a
burdensome thing to deal with as the
maven around here how and when to
share information. I posted this in a thread
earlier by mistake, nothing that hasn't been
said already really but after all things
considered I vote against the trade alerts:
I've been around the site for a few months,
I'm a novice investor. My opinion on the
paper portfolios is they're not up to the task
of teaching someone like me how to
invest/trade. That kind of education is
available elsewhere though, if desired. This
sector is so volatile anyway, arguably
someone with little experience shouldn't
risk real money at all in this environment,
it's not conducive to learning. These faux
trades just add to the volatility, I'm
convinced. Being available to watch the
moves in real time and mimic them isn't an
option for me either.
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AB thanks for taking action based on the
info you had. That is money well spent for
this service.
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Could the portfolio be managed without
sending out trade alerts? You make the
call in real time but don't tell us. Then, at
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the end of the day write up a summary of
what you trimmed, at how much, and
roughly why. The summary writing might
take up a bit of time, but you could keep it
brief. I say that because, for me, I like to
learn why different people make the
decisions they make, but I almost never
buy or sell based on your calls as I'm too
busy to follow along consistently and well I
just don't want to follow blindly even though
I'm pretty much a rookie.
My other concern is that active portfolio
management takes up alot of your time
(AB's time). I believe your best skill is
investigating companies and connecting us
with companies. While I learn alot from
your portfolio management, both Brayden
and Rain are great traders too and could
possibly carry some of that role.
All that being said I certainly don't get
angry at you personally for it. I have just
tried to learn to work with it. A few times
I've sold out of a position right after your
call (when I am not busy at work) and
bought back in 510% below, effectively
making money. However having to resort
to strategies like this seems to add
volatility to a market that has too much
volatility already and the increased
volatility might raise the eyes of the SEC.
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Discussions on resistance levels and FIB
retracements should be sufficient enough
guidance for folks to make their own
trading decisions and avoid the impact
trade alerts bring to a given stock. We
have a significant amount of members now
and trade alerts can cause panic selling
without really understanding the motivation
behind the trade alert. The information or
reasoning behind the trade is what's
important and not the actual trade. Such
information can be provided in the videos
as a word of caution through technical
analysis. This will serve better than trade
alerts and allow folks to make their own
decisions without panicking.
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The trades teach new comers how to
navigate this market. There is a
tremendous opportunity in front of us, and
in many ways it is sink or swim.. If you
follow closely, and do your DD, you will
learn, it might take a few months, but you
will be constantly learning, and
reevaluating along the way.. The trades are
a big part of that learning process...
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What a great discussion. So cool that we
can actually talk these issues through and
get somewhere. I'm really proud of our site
members for having such a constructive
conversation. =D>
I have been pondering the problem since
last posting and I came up with 2 different
thoughts/ideas. Some form of these has
already been said by others but I'd still like
to get it down for posterity and sharing my
thoughts:
1) Have trade alerts that are managed by
an expert pro trader who has time to really
focus on making these accurate and
timely. This would be great, as it would
give people who want to be told when to
buy and sell what they're looking for. As
others have said, Alan, you are too busy to
really do this right. Let someone who is
skilled at OTC stock trading handle this, if
we're going to keep having these. Trading
is hard and someone who is good at and
talented at this would be a real asset to
have around and would help us all make
more money.
2) Alternately, Honolulu basically said the
other thing I was thinking, which is: let's
remove the realtime aspect from the paper
portfolio. Post your changes to the paper
portfolio(s) after hours. This maintains the
aspect of accountability that is so
important, while decoupling that from any
direct market moving effects.
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time trades or no realtime trades. The
middle ground is inconsistent trade alerts
that sometimes help and sometimes hurt. I
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I ran a model portfolio from May 2008
through March 2014 (the "Top 20") as well
as another one from July 2008, and they
were both done differently. The alerts were
done off hours. The price of the trade was
based on the average of the high and the
low in the following session. It was always
a bit frustrating to tell people to do a trade
at an indeterminate price (I had no idea
what the high and low would be the next
day!). Still, there was something also fair
about that.
I can't do an "official" model on the
Marketfy platform like that they aren't set
up to calculate it. Still, I might consider it
instead of or in addition to the way it is
done now (realtime). I suspect people
would complain then too about the
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"impact". The "shorts" or other forces
would find out about it on IHub, and the
opening price on buys and sells would be
very different from the previous close. In
fact, even more members would be upset
about the "leakage" that some purport now.
If this leakage is true and significant, it
would likely be a lot bigger with a time lag.
Keep the convo going! I am confident more
subscribers want the alerts than don't, but I
hear you guys on the challenges and
welcome suggestions on how to improve
this part of the service.
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Alan, I see your service as an
investing/research service and not a
trading service. I like you have a CFA
coupled with Wall Street experience. This
is a lens I do not have and think you
provide valuable insight when looking at
DD. What the investor does with your
insight is their own business win or lose. I
will continue to pay for your time as long
as you are willing to provide it. Have a
great day all.
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It has been a while since I've commented
with 420i. Being shocked, stunned and
pissed have left me speechless with our
sector. What was once exciting and
interesting has become threatening. Even
with AB's pre and post market calls, the
trading day is always a crap shoot, and
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there is nothing certain about anything any
more. The Volumes are so ridiculously low,
why would anyone one want to trade ?
I agree 100% with with Mr. Twister "The
Wolves and Sykes prey upon 420 trades.
This is out there on social media. They
play us. And it sucks", also Rain's
comment "and would benefit us all to
focus your energy on research and
continuing to reveal info relating to
companies that WE can consider buying
and where to sell. I can see this
problem getting bigger as membership
continues to grow. " Our community, I
believe was once a cohesive group, but it
seems that as we have grown, there are
now nefarious members, who are only
interested in foiling our attempts at
success. The portfolio alerts, either way,
are like shooting ourselves in the foot.
420i must get back to it's original
emphasis, which was getting to know the
reputable companies, doing DD and
observing the sector. I am hopeful that the
private investigations AB is conducting on
company's, will show that our membership
fess are well spent.
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Factors to consider
1. Not all of us sit at a computer everyday
to change on a dime
2. Information is being used against us
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3. Domino effect of trade alerts combined
with social media
4. Anticipating when your going to make a
move to be in front of the tipping point
Setting parameters when you enter the
trade makes sense. Those exit points can
be changed and discussed during daily
videos. You could keep with "I would be
thinking about entering XYZ here, exiting
ABC here". I would agree the need to
eliminate alerts to decrease dependency.
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Tallying the SurveyMonkey vote should
determine how we proceed. I joined the
community for information and trade alerts.
I haven't blindly acted on any of AB's alerts
when they come to my phone. Most of the
time you should have an idea that the trade
is coming if you are in tune with the site
and market, as in, I've beaten AB to half of
my trades. Any of our losses are due to
our own negligence or the fact that we're
trading in a volatile sector. I'm still leery
that some type of manipulation isn't
happening, but I feel it runs so deep that
we couldn't track that web down if we tried
(from shorters to FINRA to AB haters. For
those of you who have researched MJNA,
MDBX, and CANV in depth you understand
what I mean, I guess it's illegal to halt a
stock at those prices....). Keep the trade
alerts.
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Ok1I'm with you. At this stage of the
sector's development, long is 23 weeks
and everything else is barely overnight.
Perhaps a daytrading model is the most
profitable nearterm solution. Eventually,
enough money will move in to help
dissipate the impact that AB's alerts have
on individual stocks. Until then...let's talk.
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Here's some thoughts about recent
responses.
I see a lot of people commenting that the
reason AB is selling is because of only
"rebalancing." but he is selling because the
stock has moved to a particular level that
merits selling. If you don't understand
rebalancing, there is a Basics by
Brochstein video and all of you should be
studying it.
Lets not kid ourselves, the main reason a
few people are upset is because they are
still underwater and are trying to get out.
Let's also not forget that 420investor was
born with trade alerts and nobody ever
complained about it then in fact, it
changes peoples financial lives. Realize
that you are only complaining about it now
due to your own problem. So don't blame
others.
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Finally, think how unfair it would be to new
members, who were once like you.
Don't take this with any disrespect but
that's the reality I see.
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My $0.0002 cents worth:
I think they made sense when the
community was far smaller. However, I
think it is not even a debate anymore as to
whether or not the trading alerts move the
markets. I voted no.
Alan, if you want to keep the trading alerts
and the portfolios (and I can understand
why you would) then I suggest and plead
with you to only issue alerts *OUTSIDE OF
TRADING HOURS*
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Let me add another idea. If someone joins
420i or decides that now is the time to
invest, would it be ok for me to offer a
portfolio that says "put 25% of your money
in TRTC". No one is forced to follow my
example, but I want the portfolio to be
fresh for everyone.
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Joelvest said:
Lets not kid ourselves, the main
reason a few people are upset is
because they are still underwater
and are trying to get out. Let's also
not forget that 420investor was born
with trade alerts and nobody ever
complained about it then in fact, it
changes peoples financial lives.
Realize that you are only
complaining about it now due to your
own problem. So don't blame others.
Dude, it's hard not to take this, at the very
minimum, as condescending.
I do not like the trading alerts and:
#1) I am not underwater, I am significantly
up from my initial investment
#2) When the site had 300400 members,
the trading alerts did not have the
significant market moving power that they
do now
I don't like the trading alerts because they
provide a clear advantage to those who
"live" on this site (who don't work, at least
during the day). They bug me because
they create asymmetric information in the
community. If they were offered outside of
trading hours, the majority of 420i
members would have the opportunity to act
on the alerts AT THE SAME TIME.
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kappa actually, they don't. Many of AB's
trade alerts are discussed in videos.
Reading between the lines to figure out
what AB's intent might be. Sending alerts
outside market hours is not how things
work.
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Joelvest said:
kappa actually, they don't. Many of
AB's trade alerts are discussed in
videos.
Joel, do the alerts in the activity feed show
up on the website and in people's
cellphones/email boxes between the hours
of 9:30 and 4 EST?
Joelvest said:
Sending alerts outside market hours
is not how things work.
Is it up to you to decide how things work
around here, or proclaim how they work,
seeing as you are neither an employee of
420i nor the founder of the site? I believe
we are peers, sir. Correct me if I am wrong.
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A number of investment services,
newsletters and websites all issue trade
recommendations outside of market hours.
Stansberry being one of them.
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KappaGuy, wanted to make sure you saw
the discussion above (maybe page 2)
about alerts outside of hours. It's a good
idea in some regards, but a disaster
potentially in others.
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Joel, agree with Kappa I suggest you
make the rounds on twitter and IHUB soon
after a buy and sell that is the thrust of
the argument. One can have a very large
core, and a trading portfolio. the large core,
it matters none if you believe in the
company. Since the site has grown, it is
being played from both inside and outside.
It is irrefutable. As mentioned many times,
social media gives proof by the second. If
chart reaction on a buy or sell is not
evidence enough, Twitter should be. I have
continuously worried about the reputation
of the site in this sector moving markets
visibly during trading hours is not viewed
favorably. AB, the short report, if it exists,
is not new news. I had mentioned on this
thread weeks ago that Fidelity called me
twice to inquire if I desired to make my
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shares available for what can only be
presumed for other institutions to make
available to their customers to short.
Those that say these stocks are not
shortable, are wrong. Not sure I would have
sold on this news in that those shares
have to be bought back.
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To be clear, as I stated, that isn't WHY I
trimmed, but it affected the timing and why
I didn't wait until closer to .85.
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Owen/Kappa I will try to make this my
last reply here, because it's frustrating to
me but the shorts would have came either
way. Lescor put it nicely with TRTC "It ran
up over 100% in 8 days, largely on
expected news at an event. It's about as
textbook as "buy the rumor, sell the news"
gets"
If AB did not put a sell in, it would have
sold off regardless, and you'd still be
stuck. So I don't see the problem, truly.
Blaming social media is a nonsense
excuse. It's not about blame, it's about
what the chart is doing. It's about what is
happened to the chart.
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Thanks for listening.
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And it's not just about the shorts, it's about
people just selling in general. Noticing the
chart pattern.
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JV I agree with everything you said and I
am good with or without the alerts. I am
learning to "plan my trade, trade my plan".
But I don't think the main concern is that
people are stuck in the stock but rather are
concerned about the immediate "leaked"
information causing the dominos to fall.
Not sure that can ever be resolved w/out
eliminating the alerts altogether. Looking
forward to the survey results this Sunday.
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Yes, to be clear, afterhours alerts will be
leaked a LOT worse
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It's time to let the alerts go, they have
become more of a problem than a solution.
A new format for 420 stocks will need to
create with more information such as buy
zones and sell zones. Give your opinion on
whether to buy on high volume only, buy
weakness, is it bullish or bearish etc. Give
people the information they need to set
their own trade alerts.
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Vazilly and others, would it make sense to
do more of what you say in terms of
information providing while also doing the
alerts as well? I do the videos because
people like them and it allows me to share
this type of info that you suggest but in a
way that isn't so easy to cut and paste
outside our community.
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Joined in January, bought first stock in
February....I'm new.....and this site has
been a godsend...from the maven to the
community I could not have learned near
as much as fast without all of you...thank
you so much!
But........
AB said this earlier that stuck w me....
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"Let me tell you guys something I didn't
say, and I will post this in the video (after I
eat dinner). There was another reason that
I trimmed TRTC today, and it's awkward. I
wouldn't have trimmed it in front of .85, but
I heard from someone in NYC that doesn't
know the pot stocks but knows I am
involved. He told me of a short report
making the rounds (I haven't seen it). I am
reluctant to say anything even now, but the
last thing I want to do is fuel the shorts by
saying that in the tradealert commentary.
Read more at:
http://420forums.marketfy.com/discussion/
937/valueoftradingalerts/p2"
This frustrates me even more...wtf, Was
this an amateur trade because of this
rumor?
AB put out resistance in the thread at .85
because JV was fibbing at .88 and the
group was counseling on the fib and what
everyone was reading... Now for those of
us that cannot be at the PC all day this
was a parameter set by our maven that
has in the past served as a barometer for
resistance etc..these I like....... So I like to
set my sells a little off of the pros.
I set a sell at .815 and left for airport only
to come back and see AB sell at .80..... 5
points below YOUR ADVICE......and the
stock NEVER recovered...check it
today...still falling from your sell time...
I don't believe we need to tell people when
to sell..... Especially when (as JV said ) a
lot of us have been under water and when
we see a stock running we get excited...so
why bother sticking your nose in to tell
everyone you are selling your FAKE

STOCK SHARES IN YOUR FAKE
PORTFOLIO... Because I'm not using fake
money.. I'm a construction worker with a
wife AND kid AND mother in law to support
and this is not fake for me...as I'm sure is
familiar for a lot here....
I like the video commentary for us to read
between the lines when AB mentions
levels or liking a certain price... But not all
of us had the foresight to sell in time.... It's
easy for a paper portfolio to manage risk
because it's not real money and you can
be more objective about the trades when
its not gonna hurt you financially,,,that's
just the psychology of it....
Regardless of how much a person is up or
down.....ask yourself this.....
Would we even be having this discussion if
the portfolio did NOT exist?
In closing...I vote NO portfolio.....because I
can read the lines in video commentary....
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I sold all of my TRTC this week, which is a
move I would have never considered doing
just a month a go.. I saw that TRTC just
had an incredible run, there was news of
the License, and in this market everyone
sells the news.. Also, I know that there are
only two legal states, the sector is down,
and TRTC won't do anything with that
license for months.. I weighted my options
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and I took the gains when they were
there...
I have learned from doing my DD, and from
following AB's example.. You can make
money holding a long time, or make a lot of
money Trading in the interim.. The trade
alerts are an incredible learning tool,
especially for newbies.. You can have your
hand held, or you can learn the hard way...
Which do you think will help you more in
the long run?
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If the portfolios are a learning tool alone
then it would not matter if the trades were
examined for learning after hours. But they
are intended to be followed according to
the site marketing. But this market makes
them impossible to follow.
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I agree with @Honolulu and @Random and
have privately suggested afterhours alerts
to AB. His take, which I think he
suggested again in this thread, is that it
would make the following open even more
volatile. I never responded back, but my
question is "How does a trade placed at
11am one morning cause volatility the
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following morning if circumstances have
changed?"
Seems to me like people would be less
likely to blindly follow the trades/alerts if
they couldn't make it at approximately the
same time under similar circumstances. If
Alan sold TRTC at .80 and I didn't know he
sold it til it closed at .68, would I still follow
him and sell the following morning?
I do like the metrics provided of the
portfolios, but I have been burned by both
by blindly following AB as well as been
forced to change my own plan simply
because of the move the market makes
after a trade alert comes out. I think Alan
does a great job of trying to telegraph his
moves, but selling at .80 after calling out
resistance at .85 in the premarket made it
really hard to trade my own plan. Was
TRTC gonna dive anyway? Tough to say,
but if the goal is NOT to move the market,
clearly we are not accomplishing that.
I love this service and greatly appreciate
the integrity and hard work that you put on
display for us every day,
@AlanBrochsteinCFA, but I think adjusting
how the portfolios are managed could use
some improvement.
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Alan, I understand the need to protect your
product but still doing the videos with a
complete written summary for 420 stocks
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and no trade alerts is the way to go, IMO.
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My life would be easier!
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I'm hearing some really good stuff here. I
think we should do our best to try to stay
calm this is an incredibly emotional topic,
and everyone is very passionate about it
but it doesn't help with the conversation to
unload some fury. All that does is make
the other person stop listening.
I really like what Vazilly is saying about
making it more diffuse than a simple alert.
I also tend to lean towards agreement with
those who are questioning if afterhours
changes to the portfolios would add to
volatility. I do not think that they would
particularly if they were presented in the
context of your videos. If, in the videos,
you talked about adjustments to the model
and why you made those adjustments, etc
it would be a lot more of a learning
situation, would continue to log your
accountability, and would not blindside
anyone intraday.
Because they would not be sent out as
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"ALERTS" it would actually require
someone to watch the video to understand
what happened. Which DEFINITELY would
reduce the amount of folks using it as a
weapon.
Another option, as I've mentioned, is get
pro trade alerts in here.
Yet another is to log the changes in a blog
instead of as an 'alert.'
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Perhaps we can compromise somehow...
Alan puts a trade alert out in the forum, but
not emails/texts. That way, people will
check the alerts at different times, and so
won't all be selling at the same time. That
should keep the prices from falling
suddenly... and if that is prevented, the
shorts will go away. What happens now, is
everyone gets the alert, and bids against
each other to sell, bringing the price down.
Many times, I've not been able to react on
a trade alert right away, and by the time I
get to a computer, the stock has gone
down 10%, and sometimes even has
already gone back up and I can sell at the
recommended price. So you could
effectively stagger the responses by
posting instead of emailing/texting. Those
who have all the time in the world can still
check that post 50 times a day, and react,
but the effect won't be so dramatic, and the
alert won't be shorted.
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Attempting to get to the core issue; the
trade alerts are actionable events, exactly
the type many traders/shorts are looking
for to capitalize on short term trades. I
agree that after hours trades could just
send the problem into a new or worse
direction. Also, it is no secret that AB
drops plenty of clues for us in the vids as
to where he may consider a buy or sell.
And for me that is enough. We obviously
have problem in the huge variable of
experience among site members here and
that is an issue we can certainly respect
that is difficult to find balance in however
this situation resolves.
So, how to keep the majority happy without
giving outsiders a way to take advantage
of our group? The conversation
continues...
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Thanks again all I continue to read these
comments and appreciate the insight you
are sharing. I trust that you all understand I
want to do the best thing for everyone in a
way that is most fair to all.
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Like many others, I am not, and can't be a
day trader (not yet anyway...). I like Make
Money's suggestion. I watch the videos
after hours and maybe adding more defined
suggestions/reasons about why (or why
not) to enter trades the next day. Risks
and exits should be a personal decision.
Does it make sense to offer entry guidance
and no exits?
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Alan's alerts might move the market
temporarily, but they won't have more than
a transient affect. If you plan to hold
anyway, what's the problem? 420 investors
aren't the whole market, not even close.
Price will settle wherever it does based on
the sentiment of the whole market. Alan's
moves just cause small hiccuups in the big
picture.
His calls are no different than any other
analyst who publishes buys and sells on all
kinds of stocks every day. There's an
entire industry built around it. If some guy
at Goldman says he thinks GE is a sell
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