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Tennessee Hospital Association
2015 Fall Compliance Conference
September 11, 2015
ICD-10 Is Really Here: What Does That
Mean To Compliance Officers?
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• What is the current regulatory status of
ICD‐10?
• Overview of testing to-date: successes
and challenges
• Future use of ICD-10 for outcome-based
and population-health-focused data
• What to expect regarding claim denials
based on insufficient specificity
• Final Countdown: What now?
• What to do AFTER Oct. 1, 2015
Learning Objectives
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There’s A Code For That!
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVhyUsGTxiE
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What are the benefits of ICD-10?
The new, up-to-date classification system will provide much better data needed to:
• Measure the quality, safety, and efficacy of care
• Improved quality reporting and scoring
• Reduce the need for additional documentation to explain the patient’s condition
• Design payment systems and process claims for reimbursement
• Conduct research, epidemiological studies, and clinical trials
• Set health policy
• Support operational and strategic planning
• Design healthcare delivery systems
• Monitor resource utilization
• Improve clinical, financial, and administrative performance
• Prevent and detect healthcare fraud and abuse
• Track public health and risks
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What Can We Learn from Other
Countries’ Implementation?
• Yesterday’s Advice
– Start now to allow time to understand the impact and
come up with solutions
• Today’s Advice
– Prioritize necessary activities
• Education and training are all important
– Prepare for increased denial activity and impact on DRG
assignment accuracy
• Collaborate with others
– Share information and experiences to learn what works
and what to avoid
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Countdown
DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS
19 12 54 03
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When Is It Official?
January 1,
2010
• Payers and
providers should
begin internal
testing of Version
5010 standards
for electronic
claims
December
31, 2010
• Internal testing of
Version 5010
must be
complete to
achieve Level I
Version 5010
compliance
• Providers should
form ICD-10
sponsorship
team
January 1,
2011
• Payers and
providers should
begin external
testing of Version
5010 for
electronic claims
• CMS begins
accepting
Version 5010
claims
• Version 4010
claims continue
to be accepted
December
31, 2011
• External testing
of Version 5010
for electronic
claims must be
complete to
achieve Level II
Version 5010
compliance
January 1,
2012
• All electronic
claims must use
Version 5010
• Version 4010
claims are no
longer accepted
October 1,
2015
• Claims for
services
provided on or
after this date
must use ICD-
10 codes for
medical
diagnosis and
inpatient
procedures
• CPT codes will
continue to be
used for
outpatient
services
Per the Department of Health and Human Services, the
compliance date for implementation of ICD-10-CM and
ICD-10-PCS is October 1, 2015.
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ICD-10 Organizational Impact
• Physician Documentation
• Physician Integration
• Physician Performance
• Staffing Effectiveness
• Revenue Impact Assessment
• Process Flow & Improvement
• Decision Support Impact
• Documentation Analysis
• ICD-10 Education & Training
• Coding Production Impact
Physician
Office
Post Acute
Services
• Scheduling, ED & Access Areas
• DNFB, Coding, CDI
• Case Management
• Billing, Reimbursement
Health
Information
Management
ICD-10
Revenue
Process
Physician
Operational
Planning
Information
Technology
• IT Systems
• Capability, Communication
• Functionality
• Vendor Preparedness
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ICD-10 Readiness:
For Real This Time?
Concern regarding physician burden last year
• Increased number and complexity of codes
• Costs for software, EHR upgrades, etc.
• Costs of training, physicians, coders, other staff
• Increased time required for more detailed documentation
CMS readiness last year
• Lack of sufficient end-to-end testing prior to Oct. 1, 2014
deadline
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ICD-10 Readiness Testimony
During the February 11, 2015, U.S. House Energy & Commerce Committee,
Subcommittee on Health – Testimony on feasibility of ICD-10 Transition by
Oct. 1:
• Dr. Edwin Burke (Small Practice Physician in Missouri) said: “…Delaying
ICD-10 is not blinking but closing our eyes.”
• Sue Bowman, AHIMA stated: “We have had 6 years to prepare and a
delay will only prolong readiness.”
• Kristi Matus, CFO, CAO, Athena Health stated: “Pull the trigger or pull the
plug.”
• Dr. John Hughes, Yale School of Medicine stated: “I have been frustrated
many times at ICD-9’s inability to specify the exact nature of a
complication, its extent, its location and how it was treated.”
Source: http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/article/icd-10-debated-capitol-hill-most-favor-2015-implementation
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ICD-10 Readiness Testimony
• Dr. William Terry, American
Urologic Association cited an
AMA study that costs would be up
to $250,000 for some small
practices.
• Robert Averill, Director of Public
Policy – 3M, stated that costs to
small practices will be
approximately $8,000 on
average. “ICD-9 was
implemented when you could still
smoke in a room with the patient!”
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What is the Current Regulatory
Status of ICD‐10?
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CMS ICD-10 Mitigation Provisions
• CMS clarified through a recent Q&A release its announcement from July 6, 2015,
of mitigation provisions to help ease the potential impact associated with the ICD-
10 implementation
– CMS will not deny Part B claims under medical review if the ICD-10 code
reported is within the appropriate family until Oct. 1, 2016
• COPD (Chronic Pulmonary Obstructive Disease)
– J44.0 COPD with acute lower respiratory infection/bronchitis
– J44.1 COPD with acute exacerbation/decompensated
– J44.9 COPD, unspecified
• The “family” for COPD is J44.
– Source: https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD10/Clarifying-Questions-
and-Answers-Related-to-the-July-6-2015-CMS-AMA-Joint-Announcement.pdf
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CMS ICD-10
Mitigation Provisions (cont.)
• CMS ICD-10 mitigation provisions key information:
– A valid ICD-10 is still required on all claims starting Oct.1, 2015
– The medical review policy will be adopted by the MACs, RACs, ZPICS, and
Supplemental Medical Review Contractors
– Quality reporting: PQRS, VBM, MU
– Mitigation Provisions do not change the coding specificity required by
the NCDs and LCDs policies
– Medicare Part B Contractors are offering an advance payment conditional
partial payment, which requires repayment if they are unable to process
claims within established time limits due to problems
• Commercial payers have no obligation to adopt CMS’ provisions
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H.R. 2247
“ICD-TEN Act”
• Introduced to the House on May 12, 2015
• Bill that would mandate an 18-month
transition period for testing submittal of ICD-
10 claims
• To date, this bill has not been approved
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H.R. 3018
“The Code-FLEX Act of 2015”
• Introduced to the House of Representatives
on July 10, 2015
• On July 17, referred to the Subcommittee on
Health
• Objective of bill is to provide a “safe harbor
period for the transition from the ICD-9 to the
ICD-10 standard for health care claims”
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H.R. 3018
“The Code-FLEX Act of 2015” (cont.)
• If approved, claims will be processed/payable
by public and private payers if submitted with
ICD-9 or ICD-10 codes
• Many are against this because a dual coding
system is not a simple solution and may
confuse claims processing. It would require
complex and costly changes to all systems to
accommodate this bill
• To date, this bill has not been approved
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Overview of Testing To-Date:
Successes and Challenges
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Industry Readiness Survey
The Workgroup for Electronic Data Interchange (WEDI) is the leading
authority on the use of Health IT to improve the exchange of healthcare
information
• WEDI conducts frequent surveys to measure industry readiness
pertaining to the ICD-10 transition
• Most recent survey results are from February 2015
• WEDI completed another survey this summer that was open until July 10,
2015, and is currently compiling results
• Updates to this recent survey: http://www.wedi.org/news/press-
releases/2015/06/11/WEDI-Opens-ICD-10-Readiness-Survey-for-June
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Industry Readiness Survey Results,
February 2015
• Many organizations did not take full advantage of
the additional time afforded by the one-year delay
• The delay had a negative impact on some
readiness activities
• Some tasks have slipped into 2015, particularly
those related to testing
• Compliance date uncertainty was listed as the
primary obstacle to implementation
• Current OBSTACLE  ICD-10 Mitigation Provision
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Industry Readiness Survey Results,
February 2015 (cont.)
• Key findings from February 2015 survey include:
– Health plan testing: Slight improvement from the prior survey, which
shows that more than 50 percent of health plans have begun external
testing, and of these, a few have completed testing. This is a slight
improvement from the prior survey
– Health plan impact assessment: About 4/5 of health plans
completed their impact assessment, up from about 3/4 in August
2014
– Provider testing: Only 25% of provider respondents had begun
external testing and only a few others had completed this step
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Payer Testing
Many payers offer ICD-10 testing and
reference/tools:
• BCBS TN: http://www.bcbst.com/providers/icd-10.page
• CMS: https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-
and-Guidance/HIPAA-Administrative-
Simplification/Affordable-Care-Act/End-to-
End-Testing.html
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What About TennCare?
TennCare providers can find information about ICD-10 testing
and tools via the Medicaid Managed Care Plan with which they
are enrolled. The state’s three plans are listed below.
• Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Tennessee:
http://www.bcbst.com/providers/icd-10.page
• Amerigroup: https://providers.amerigroup.com/pages/icd10.aspx
• United Healthcare:
https://www.unitedhealthcareonline.com/b2c/CmaAction.do?channelId=6f
a2600ae29fb210VgnVCM1000002f10b10a____
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Payer Testing Tips
• Check with your clearinghouse for payer alerts
regarding ICD-10 testing and track them. This will
give you an idea on the financial impact that you
can expect based on your payer mix
• Review what happened to your organization with
the HIPAA 5010 transition, as this will be a good
baseline. As with the 5010 transition, there will be
delays in reimbursement with ICD-10
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Employed Physicians:
Healthcare Area of Weakness
Low-Cost Opportunities
• CMS offers “free billing
software” via the MAC
websites.
• Software requires an internet
connection and only works for
FFS Claims to Medicare.
• Does not provide coding
assistance, but will facilitate
claim submission.
Source: http://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Education/Medicare-Learning-
Network-MLN/MLNMattersArticles/Downloads/se1409.pdf
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There’s An App For That!
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Medicare Coverage
Determination Changes
and Compliance Risk Management
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National Coverage
Determinations (NCDs)
• CMS is responsible for converting approximately 330
NCDs
• Not all are appropriate for translation
– Edits based on HCPCS
– Older, obsolete technology or considered outdated
CMS has determined which NCD should be translated
from ICD-9 to ICD-10, and is in the process of completing
system changes for those NCDs
http://www.cms.gov/outreach-and-education/medicare-learningnetworkmln/mlnmattersarticles/downloads/MM7818.pdf
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Local Coverage
Determinations (LCDs)
• According to CMS, LCDs are made by the
individual Medicare Auditing Contractor (MAC
– i.e. CAHABA)
• Contractors have published all ICD-10 LCDs
and ICD-10 associated articles on the
Medicare Coverage Database (MCD) under
“Future LCDs”
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Local Coverage
Determination (LCD) Example
• LCD Title: Drugs and Biologicals:
Palonosetron HCL Injection (Aloxi)
– ICD-10 LCD ID: L34259
– Original ICD-9 LCD ID: L30033
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LCD Example for Aloxi
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Future Use of ICD-10 for Outcome-
Based and Population-Health-
Focused Date
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Clinical
Documentation
• Accurate diagnosis
• Improved quality of care
Quality
• Pay-for-performance
• Public Reporting
Financial • Utilization management
• Cost containment
ICD-10 Transitional Impact
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Provider Impact
• Value-based compensation
• Increased documentation time – up to 15%
• May affect patient volume
• Quality Measures/P4P – need to be determined
based on ICD-10 codes
• Difficult to measure impact of change – Due to
change of code set or due to changes in underlying
practice?
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ICD-10 Impact with Quality Measures
• Expansion means improved data when
assessing patient severity, the quality of care
received, and patient outcomes
• ICD-10 will impact quality measures that will be
felt for many years following implementation
• Make sure to review definition changes for all
conditions with changes, i.e., pressure ulcers,
fractures and myocardial infarctions
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Definition Impact
• Myocardial Infarction
– ICD-9-CM: coded as acute if it has a duration of
eight weeks or less
– ICD-10-CM: coded as acute if it has duration of
four weeks or less
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Value-Based Purchasing
and ICD-10 Coding
Patient Safety Indicator 15 – Accidental Puncture or Laceration Rate
ICD-9-CM
• 998.2 Accidental puncture or laceration during a procedure, not
elsewhere classified
ICD-10-CM (Classified by affected body part)
• D78.11 Accidental puncture and laceration of the spleen during a
procedure on the spleen
• D78.12 Accidental puncture and laceration of the spleen during other
procedure
• E36.11 Accidental puncture and laceration of an endocrine system organ
or structure during an endocrine system procedure
• E36.12 Accidental puncture and laceration of an endocrine system
organ or structure during other procedure
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Value-Based Purchasing
and ICD-10 Coding
Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate
ICD-9-CM
• 518.51 Acute respiratory failure following trauma and surgery
• 518.53 Acute and chronic respiratory failure following trauma and
surgery
ICD-10-CM
• J95.821 Acute post-procedural respiratory failure
• J95.822 Acute and chronic post-procedural respiratory failure
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Value-Based Purchasing and
ICD-10 Coding and Documentation
Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate
ICD-9-CM
• 96.04 Insertion of endotracheal tube
ICD-10-CM
• 0BH17EZ Insertion of Endotracheal Airway
into Trachea, Via Natural or Artificial Opening
• 0BH18EZ Insertion of Endotracheal Airway
into Trachea, Via Natural or Artificial Opening
Endoscopic
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Value-Based Purchasing and
ICD-10 Coding and Documentation
Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate
ICD-9-CM
• 96.70 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation of unspecified
duration
• 96.71 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation for less than 96
consecutive hours
• 96.72 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation for 96 consecutive
hours or more
ICD-10-CM
• 5A1935Z Respiratory Ventilation, Less than 24 Consecutive Hours
• 5A1945Z Respiratory Ventilation, 24-96 Consecutive Hours
• 5A1955Z Respiratory Ventilation, Greater than 96 Consecutive Hours
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Case Study: HCC Comparison
ICD-9 ICD-10
V21 HCC 92 (67% weight); V22 HCC 96
(33% weight)
V21 HCC 96 (67% weight); V22 HCC 96
(33% weight)
V21 HCC 105 (67% weight); V22 HCC
108 (33% weight)
V21 HCC 108 (67% weight); V22 HCC
108 (33% weight)
V21 HCC 108 (67% weight); V22 HCC
111 (33% weight)
V21 HCC 111 (67% weight); V22 HCC
111 (33% weight)
The patient presented for follow-up. The physician office note documents
paroxysmal atrial tachycardia, peripheral vascular disease, and chronic
bronchitis.
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Potential Impact of Implementation
and Mitigation Steps
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ICD-10 Potential Financial Impact
Decrease in Cash Flow / Loss of Revenue
• Industry experts from CMS and AHIMA estimate the
following:
– Denial rates will increase by 100% to 200%
– Accounts receivable days will be extended by 20%
to 40%
– Healthcare organizations will be hindered with
payment declines for more than two years after the
implementation date of October 1, 2015
– Claims-error rates will increase from 6% to 10%
(The average current rate is close to 3%)
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How to Mitigate the Potential
Financial Impact
• Determine your organization’s payer mix
• Consider how your major payers reacted to the
5010 transition as a base line on what to expect
with the ICD-10 transition
• CMS’ recently announced physician mitigation
provisions will not reduce the potential financial
impact from CMS payers for the first 12 months;
however, the provisions do decrease audit risk
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Expected Denial Reasons
Minich-Pourshadi, Karen. “ICD-10 Puts Revenue at Risk.” HealthLeaders Media Intelligence (July 2011), p. 22.
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Claim Denial Process Improvement
• Focus on improving your current denials
management process
• The cost to work a denial is estimated at $25-
$40 per claim
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Top 3 Steps to Improved Medical
Necessity Denial Management
Analyze Current Claims
Process
• How are your claim
denials identified?
(manually when posting
payments, system
programs, reports via
electronic remit message
codes, etc.)
• How are your denials
tracked? (manually via
spreadsheet, denials
management software,
etc.)
Prevent Denials
• Identify current top
denials
• Stay on top of current
reimbursement news or
compliance issues and
determine if it applies to
your practice
• Initiate proactive
processes to prevent top
denials or compliance
concerns (education,
system edits, etc.)
• Track denials over a
period of time to ensure
that you are seeing a
reduction
Aggressive Claim
Resolution
• Assign appropriate staff
to work denials
• Aggressive resolution
techniques (strong
appeals, clear
understanding of denial,
effective compliant
resolution to denials,
etc.)
• Track employee
performance and
compare to peers to
establish benchmarks
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Final Countdown: What Now?
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Priority List
Determine compliance risk areas based on current trend analysis
Evaluate front-end preparation to minimize poor or incorrect diagnosis assignment
Have coders dual code a % of claims per day, and increase the % each week until Oct. 1, 2015
Verify that your foundational IT structure is ready for the transition
Consider post-acute service offerings preparation for ICD-10 claims processing
Prepare for an increase in denials and work on improving your current medical necessity denials
management process
Continue to identify specific documentation gaps to determine risk areas
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What To Do AFTER
October 1, 2015
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• Plan for coding in ICD-9 and ICD-10 for a brief period to address services
rendered before October 1, but discharged after October 1 (split claims)
• Monitor physician documentation to ensure ICD-10 compliance
• Monitor impact on claim-processing activity, claim denials, and rejections
• Monitor patient satisfaction
• Post-transition review
– What’s working?
– What needs fixing?
• Schedule 30-day post-conversion claims assessment
ICD-10 Go Live, The Day After…
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The Future?
WHO is currently working on ICD-11
• They will build upon ICD-10
• The first draft was made available
online in July 2011 for review
• The final draft is expected to be
submitted to WHO's World Health
Assembly for official endorsement
by 2017
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Key Resources
• ICD-10 Proposed and Final Rules
– http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-19298.pdf
– http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-743.pdf
• CMS Website on ICD-10
– https://www.cms.gov/ICD10/
• CDC Website on Classification of Diseases
– http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/icd.htm
• CMS ICD-10-CM Quick Reference Guide
– https://www.cms.gov/ICD10/11b14_2012_ICD10CM_and_GEMs.a
sp#TopOfPage
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Key Resources (cont.)
• CMS Mitigation Provisions
– https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD10/Downloads/
ICD-10-guidance.pdf
• Status of H.R. Bills
– https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-
bill/2247
• WEDI Feb 2015 Survey Result
– http://www.wedi.org/docs/resources/full-comment-letter-
and-survey-results.pdf?sfvrsn=0
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Key Resources (cont.)
• ICD-10 Future LCD and Articles- Cahaba
– http://www.cahabagba.com/part-b/medical-
review/local-coverage-determinations-lcds-and-
articles/
– http://www.cahabagba.com/part-a/medical-
review/local-coverage-determinations-lcds-and-
articles/
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Questions?
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Contact Information
Denise Hall, RN, BSN
Principal
Pershing Yoakley & Associates, P.C.
(678) 441-0645
dhall@pyapc.com
www.pyapc.com
Mandy Grubb Halford, MD, FHM
System Medical Director of Clinical
Documentation & Informatics
Covenant Health
(865) 531-5720
mgrubb3@covhlth.com
www.covenanthealth.com
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ICD-10 Is Really Here: What Does That Mean To Compliance Officers?

  • 1. Page 0September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Tennessee Hospital Association 2015 Fall Compliance Conference September 11, 2015 ICD-10 Is Really Here: What Does That Mean To Compliance Officers?
  • 2. Page 1September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association • What is the current regulatory status of ICD‐10? • Overview of testing to-date: successes and challenges • Future use of ICD-10 for outcome-based and population-health-focused data • What to expect regarding claim denials based on insufficient specificity • Final Countdown: What now? • What to do AFTER Oct. 1, 2015 Learning Objectives
  • 3. Page 2September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association There’s A Code For That! Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVhyUsGTxiE
  • 4. Page 3September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association What are the benefits of ICD-10? The new, up-to-date classification system will provide much better data needed to: • Measure the quality, safety, and efficacy of care • Improved quality reporting and scoring • Reduce the need for additional documentation to explain the patient’s condition • Design payment systems and process claims for reimbursement • Conduct research, epidemiological studies, and clinical trials • Set health policy • Support operational and strategic planning • Design healthcare delivery systems • Monitor resource utilization • Improve clinical, financial, and administrative performance • Prevent and detect healthcare fraud and abuse • Track public health and risks
  • 5. Page 4September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association What Can We Learn from Other Countries’ Implementation? • Yesterday’s Advice – Start now to allow time to understand the impact and come up with solutions • Today’s Advice – Prioritize necessary activities • Education and training are all important – Prepare for increased denial activity and impact on DRG assignment accuracy • Collaborate with others – Share information and experiences to learn what works and what to avoid
  • 6. Page 5September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Countdown DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS 19 12 54 03
  • 7. Page 6September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association When Is It Official? January 1, 2010 • Payers and providers should begin internal testing of Version 5010 standards for electronic claims December 31, 2010 • Internal testing of Version 5010 must be complete to achieve Level I Version 5010 compliance • Providers should form ICD-10 sponsorship team January 1, 2011 • Payers and providers should begin external testing of Version 5010 for electronic claims • CMS begins accepting Version 5010 claims • Version 4010 claims continue to be accepted December 31, 2011 • External testing of Version 5010 for electronic claims must be complete to achieve Level II Version 5010 compliance January 1, 2012 • All electronic claims must use Version 5010 • Version 4010 claims are no longer accepted October 1, 2015 • Claims for services provided on or after this date must use ICD- 10 codes for medical diagnosis and inpatient procedures • CPT codes will continue to be used for outpatient services Per the Department of Health and Human Services, the compliance date for implementation of ICD-10-CM and ICD-10-PCS is October 1, 2015.
  • 8. Page 7September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Organizational Impact • Physician Documentation • Physician Integration • Physician Performance • Staffing Effectiveness • Revenue Impact Assessment • Process Flow & Improvement • Decision Support Impact • Documentation Analysis • ICD-10 Education & Training • Coding Production Impact Physician Office Post Acute Services • Scheduling, ED & Access Areas • DNFB, Coding, CDI • Case Management • Billing, Reimbursement Health Information Management ICD-10 Revenue Process Physician Operational Planning Information Technology • IT Systems • Capability, Communication • Functionality • Vendor Preparedness
  • 9. Page 8September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Readiness: For Real This Time? Concern regarding physician burden last year • Increased number and complexity of codes • Costs for software, EHR upgrades, etc. • Costs of training, physicians, coders, other staff • Increased time required for more detailed documentation CMS readiness last year • Lack of sufficient end-to-end testing prior to Oct. 1, 2014 deadline
  • 10. Page 9September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Readiness Testimony During the February 11, 2015, U.S. House Energy & Commerce Committee, Subcommittee on Health – Testimony on feasibility of ICD-10 Transition by Oct. 1: • Dr. Edwin Burke (Small Practice Physician in Missouri) said: “…Delaying ICD-10 is not blinking but closing our eyes.” • Sue Bowman, AHIMA stated: “We have had 6 years to prepare and a delay will only prolong readiness.” • Kristi Matus, CFO, CAO, Athena Health stated: “Pull the trigger or pull the plug.” • Dr. John Hughes, Yale School of Medicine stated: “I have been frustrated many times at ICD-9’s inability to specify the exact nature of a complication, its extent, its location and how it was treated.” Source: http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/article/icd-10-debated-capitol-hill-most-favor-2015-implementation
  • 11. Page 10September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Readiness Testimony • Dr. William Terry, American Urologic Association cited an AMA study that costs would be up to $250,000 for some small practices. • Robert Averill, Director of Public Policy – 3M, stated that costs to small practices will be approximately $8,000 on average. “ICD-9 was implemented when you could still smoke in a room with the patient!”
  • 12. Page 11September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association What is the Current Regulatory Status of ICD‐10?
  • 13. Page 12September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association CMS ICD-10 Mitigation Provisions • CMS clarified through a recent Q&A release its announcement from July 6, 2015, of mitigation provisions to help ease the potential impact associated with the ICD- 10 implementation – CMS will not deny Part B claims under medical review if the ICD-10 code reported is within the appropriate family until Oct. 1, 2016 • COPD (Chronic Pulmonary Obstructive Disease) – J44.0 COPD with acute lower respiratory infection/bronchitis – J44.1 COPD with acute exacerbation/decompensated – J44.9 COPD, unspecified • The “family” for COPD is J44. – Source: https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD10/Clarifying-Questions- and-Answers-Related-to-the-July-6-2015-CMS-AMA-Joint-Announcement.pdf
  • 14. Page 13September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association CMS ICD-10 Mitigation Provisions (cont.) • CMS ICD-10 mitigation provisions key information: – A valid ICD-10 is still required on all claims starting Oct.1, 2015 – The medical review policy will be adopted by the MACs, RACs, ZPICS, and Supplemental Medical Review Contractors – Quality reporting: PQRS, VBM, MU – Mitigation Provisions do not change the coding specificity required by the NCDs and LCDs policies – Medicare Part B Contractors are offering an advance payment conditional partial payment, which requires repayment if they are unable to process claims within established time limits due to problems • Commercial payers have no obligation to adopt CMS’ provisions
  • 15. Page 14September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association H.R. 2247 “ICD-TEN Act” • Introduced to the House on May 12, 2015 • Bill that would mandate an 18-month transition period for testing submittal of ICD- 10 claims • To date, this bill has not been approved
  • 16. Page 15September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association H.R. 3018 “The Code-FLEX Act of 2015” • Introduced to the House of Representatives on July 10, 2015 • On July 17, referred to the Subcommittee on Health • Objective of bill is to provide a “safe harbor period for the transition from the ICD-9 to the ICD-10 standard for health care claims”
  • 17. Page 16September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association H.R. 3018 “The Code-FLEX Act of 2015” (cont.) • If approved, claims will be processed/payable by public and private payers if submitted with ICD-9 or ICD-10 codes • Many are against this because a dual coding system is not a simple solution and may confuse claims processing. It would require complex and costly changes to all systems to accommodate this bill • To date, this bill has not been approved
  • 18. Page 17September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Overview of Testing To-Date: Successes and Challenges
  • 19. Page 18September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Industry Readiness Survey The Workgroup for Electronic Data Interchange (WEDI) is the leading authority on the use of Health IT to improve the exchange of healthcare information • WEDI conducts frequent surveys to measure industry readiness pertaining to the ICD-10 transition • Most recent survey results are from February 2015 • WEDI completed another survey this summer that was open until July 10, 2015, and is currently compiling results • Updates to this recent survey: http://www.wedi.org/news/press- releases/2015/06/11/WEDI-Opens-ICD-10-Readiness-Survey-for-June
  • 20. Page 19September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Industry Readiness Survey Results, February 2015 • Many organizations did not take full advantage of the additional time afforded by the one-year delay • The delay had a negative impact on some readiness activities • Some tasks have slipped into 2015, particularly those related to testing • Compliance date uncertainty was listed as the primary obstacle to implementation • Current OBSTACLE  ICD-10 Mitigation Provision
  • 21. Page 20September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Industry Readiness Survey Results, February 2015 (cont.) • Key findings from February 2015 survey include: – Health plan testing: Slight improvement from the prior survey, which shows that more than 50 percent of health plans have begun external testing, and of these, a few have completed testing. This is a slight improvement from the prior survey – Health plan impact assessment: About 4/5 of health plans completed their impact assessment, up from about 3/4 in August 2014 – Provider testing: Only 25% of provider respondents had begun external testing and only a few others had completed this step
  • 22. Page 21September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Payer Testing Many payers offer ICD-10 testing and reference/tools: • BCBS TN: http://www.bcbst.com/providers/icd-10.page • CMS: https://www.cms.gov/Regulations- and-Guidance/HIPAA-Administrative- Simplification/Affordable-Care-Act/End-to- End-Testing.html
  • 23. Page 22September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association What About TennCare? TennCare providers can find information about ICD-10 testing and tools via the Medicaid Managed Care Plan with which they are enrolled. The state’s three plans are listed below. • Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Tennessee: http://www.bcbst.com/providers/icd-10.page • Amerigroup: https://providers.amerigroup.com/pages/icd10.aspx • United Healthcare: https://www.unitedhealthcareonline.com/b2c/CmaAction.do?channelId=6f a2600ae29fb210VgnVCM1000002f10b10a____
  • 24. Page 23September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Payer Testing Tips • Check with your clearinghouse for payer alerts regarding ICD-10 testing and track them. This will give you an idea on the financial impact that you can expect based on your payer mix • Review what happened to your organization with the HIPAA 5010 transition, as this will be a good baseline. As with the 5010 transition, there will be delays in reimbursement with ICD-10
  • 25. Page 24September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Employed Physicians: Healthcare Area of Weakness Low-Cost Opportunities • CMS offers “free billing software” via the MAC websites. • Software requires an internet connection and only works for FFS Claims to Medicare. • Does not provide coding assistance, but will facilitate claim submission. Source: http://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Education/Medicare-Learning- Network-MLN/MLNMattersArticles/Downloads/se1409.pdf
  • 26. Page 25September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association There’s An App For That!
  • 27. Page 26September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Medicare Coverage Determination Changes and Compliance Risk Management
  • 28. Page 27September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association National Coverage Determinations (NCDs) • CMS is responsible for converting approximately 330 NCDs • Not all are appropriate for translation – Edits based on HCPCS – Older, obsolete technology or considered outdated CMS has determined which NCD should be translated from ICD-9 to ICD-10, and is in the process of completing system changes for those NCDs http://www.cms.gov/outreach-and-education/medicare-learningnetworkmln/mlnmattersarticles/downloads/MM7818.pdf
  • 29. Page 28September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Local Coverage Determinations (LCDs) • According to CMS, LCDs are made by the individual Medicare Auditing Contractor (MAC – i.e. CAHABA) • Contractors have published all ICD-10 LCDs and ICD-10 associated articles on the Medicare Coverage Database (MCD) under “Future LCDs”
  • 30. Page 29September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Local Coverage Determination (LCD) Example • LCD Title: Drugs and Biologicals: Palonosetron HCL Injection (Aloxi) – ICD-10 LCD ID: L34259 – Original ICD-9 LCD ID: L30033
  • 31. Page 30September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association LCD Example for Aloxi
  • 32. Page 31September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Future Use of ICD-10 for Outcome- Based and Population-Health- Focused Date
  • 33. Page 32September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Clinical Documentation • Accurate diagnosis • Improved quality of care Quality • Pay-for-performance • Public Reporting Financial • Utilization management • Cost containment ICD-10 Transitional Impact
  • 34. Page 33September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Provider Impact • Value-based compensation • Increased documentation time – up to 15% • May affect patient volume • Quality Measures/P4P – need to be determined based on ICD-10 codes • Difficult to measure impact of change – Due to change of code set or due to changes in underlying practice? 33
  • 35. Page 34September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Impact with Quality Measures • Expansion means improved data when assessing patient severity, the quality of care received, and patient outcomes • ICD-10 will impact quality measures that will be felt for many years following implementation • Make sure to review definition changes for all conditions with changes, i.e., pressure ulcers, fractures and myocardial infarctions
  • 36. Page 35September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Definition Impact • Myocardial Infarction – ICD-9-CM: coded as acute if it has a duration of eight weeks or less – ICD-10-CM: coded as acute if it has duration of four weeks or less
  • 37. Page 36September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Value-Based Purchasing and ICD-10 Coding Patient Safety Indicator 15 – Accidental Puncture or Laceration Rate ICD-9-CM • 998.2 Accidental puncture or laceration during a procedure, not elsewhere classified ICD-10-CM (Classified by affected body part) • D78.11 Accidental puncture and laceration of the spleen during a procedure on the spleen • D78.12 Accidental puncture and laceration of the spleen during other procedure • E36.11 Accidental puncture and laceration of an endocrine system organ or structure during an endocrine system procedure • E36.12 Accidental puncture and laceration of an endocrine system organ or structure during other procedure
  • 38. Page 37September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Value-Based Purchasing and ICD-10 Coding Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate ICD-9-CM • 518.51 Acute respiratory failure following trauma and surgery • 518.53 Acute and chronic respiratory failure following trauma and surgery ICD-10-CM • J95.821 Acute post-procedural respiratory failure • J95.822 Acute and chronic post-procedural respiratory failure
  • 39. Page 38September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Value-Based Purchasing and ICD-10 Coding and Documentation Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate ICD-9-CM • 96.04 Insertion of endotracheal tube ICD-10-CM • 0BH17EZ Insertion of Endotracheal Airway into Trachea, Via Natural or Artificial Opening • 0BH18EZ Insertion of Endotracheal Airway into Trachea, Via Natural or Artificial Opening Endoscopic
  • 40. Page 39September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Value-Based Purchasing and ICD-10 Coding and Documentation Patient Safety Indicator 11 – Postoperative Respiratory Failure Rate ICD-9-CM • 96.70 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation of unspecified duration • 96.71 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation for less than 96 consecutive hours • 96.72 Continuous invasive mechanical ventilation for 96 consecutive hours or more ICD-10-CM • 5A1935Z Respiratory Ventilation, Less than 24 Consecutive Hours • 5A1945Z Respiratory Ventilation, 24-96 Consecutive Hours • 5A1955Z Respiratory Ventilation, Greater than 96 Consecutive Hours
  • 41. Page 40September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Case Study: HCC Comparison ICD-9 ICD-10 V21 HCC 92 (67% weight); V22 HCC 96 (33% weight) V21 HCC 96 (67% weight); V22 HCC 96 (33% weight) V21 HCC 105 (67% weight); V22 HCC 108 (33% weight) V21 HCC 108 (67% weight); V22 HCC 108 (33% weight) V21 HCC 108 (67% weight); V22 HCC 111 (33% weight) V21 HCC 111 (67% weight); V22 HCC 111 (33% weight) The patient presented for follow-up. The physician office note documents paroxysmal atrial tachycardia, peripheral vascular disease, and chronic bronchitis.
  • 42. Page 41September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Potential Impact of Implementation and Mitigation Steps
  • 43. Page 42September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association ICD-10 Potential Financial Impact Decrease in Cash Flow / Loss of Revenue • Industry experts from CMS and AHIMA estimate the following: – Denial rates will increase by 100% to 200% – Accounts receivable days will be extended by 20% to 40% – Healthcare organizations will be hindered with payment declines for more than two years after the implementation date of October 1, 2015 – Claims-error rates will increase from 6% to 10% (The average current rate is close to 3%)
  • 44. Page 43September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association How to Mitigate the Potential Financial Impact • Determine your organization’s payer mix • Consider how your major payers reacted to the 5010 transition as a base line on what to expect with the ICD-10 transition • CMS’ recently announced physician mitigation provisions will not reduce the potential financial impact from CMS payers for the first 12 months; however, the provisions do decrease audit risk
  • 45. Page 44September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Expected Denial Reasons Minich-Pourshadi, Karen. “ICD-10 Puts Revenue at Risk.” HealthLeaders Media Intelligence (July 2011), p. 22.
  • 46. Page 45September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Claim Denial Process Improvement • Focus on improving your current denials management process • The cost to work a denial is estimated at $25- $40 per claim
  • 47. Page 46September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Top 3 Steps to Improved Medical Necessity Denial Management Analyze Current Claims Process • How are your claim denials identified? (manually when posting payments, system programs, reports via electronic remit message codes, etc.) • How are your denials tracked? (manually via spreadsheet, denials management software, etc.) Prevent Denials • Identify current top denials • Stay on top of current reimbursement news or compliance issues and determine if it applies to your practice • Initiate proactive processes to prevent top denials or compliance concerns (education, system edits, etc.) • Track denials over a period of time to ensure that you are seeing a reduction Aggressive Claim Resolution • Assign appropriate staff to work denials • Aggressive resolution techniques (strong appeals, clear understanding of denial, effective compliant resolution to denials, etc.) • Track employee performance and compare to peers to establish benchmarks
  • 48. Page 47September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Final Countdown: What Now?
  • 49. Page 48September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Priority List Determine compliance risk areas based on current trend analysis Evaluate front-end preparation to minimize poor or incorrect diagnosis assignment Have coders dual code a % of claims per day, and increase the % each week until Oct. 1, 2015 Verify that your foundational IT structure is ready for the transition Consider post-acute service offerings preparation for ICD-10 claims processing Prepare for an increase in denials and work on improving your current medical necessity denials management process Continue to identify specific documentation gaps to determine risk areas
  • 50. Page 49September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association What To Do AFTER October 1, 2015
  • 51. Page 50September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association • Plan for coding in ICD-9 and ICD-10 for a brief period to address services rendered before October 1, but discharged after October 1 (split claims) • Monitor physician documentation to ensure ICD-10 compliance • Monitor impact on claim-processing activity, claim denials, and rejections • Monitor patient satisfaction • Post-transition review – What’s working? – What needs fixing? • Schedule 30-day post-conversion claims assessment ICD-10 Go Live, The Day After…
  • 52. Page 51September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association The Future? WHO is currently working on ICD-11 • They will build upon ICD-10 • The first draft was made available online in July 2011 for review • The final draft is expected to be submitted to WHO's World Health Assembly for official endorsement by 2017
  • 53. Page 52September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Key Resources • ICD-10 Proposed and Final Rules – http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-19298.pdf – http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-743.pdf • CMS Website on ICD-10 – https://www.cms.gov/ICD10/ • CDC Website on Classification of Diseases – http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/icd.htm • CMS ICD-10-CM Quick Reference Guide – https://www.cms.gov/ICD10/11b14_2012_ICD10CM_and_GEMs.a sp#TopOfPage
  • 54. Page 53September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Key Resources (cont.) • CMS Mitigation Provisions – https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD10/Downloads/ ICD-10-guidance.pdf • Status of H.R. Bills – https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house- bill/2247 • WEDI Feb 2015 Survey Result – http://www.wedi.org/docs/resources/full-comment-letter- and-survey-results.pdf?sfvrsn=0
  • 55. Page 54September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Key Resources (cont.) • ICD-10 Future LCD and Articles- Cahaba – http://www.cahabagba.com/part-b/medical- review/local-coverage-determinations-lcds-and- articles/ – http://www.cahabagba.com/part-a/medical- review/local-coverage-determinations-lcds-and- articles/
  • 56. Page 55September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Questions?
  • 57. Page 56September 11, 2015 Incomplete Work ProductPrepared for Tennessee Hospital Association Contact Information Denise Hall, RN, BSN Principal Pershing Yoakley & Associates, P.C. (678) 441-0645 dhall@pyapc.com www.pyapc.com Mandy Grubb Halford, MD, FHM System Medical Director of Clinical Documentation & Informatics Covenant Health (865) 531-5720 mgrubb3@covhlth.com www.covenanthealth.com Thank you for allowing us to share our thoughts and expertise with you.