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The Pitfalls of Team Building
8 Painful lessons learned from
hiring, firing, mentoring, managing, losing, and working with
people while building Moz’s 130+ person team.
Rand Fishkin | October 2013
No Need to Take Notes:
http://bit.ly/mozstartupteam
#1
“You can coach the head.
You can’t coach the heart.”
- Avinash Kaushik (@avinash)
Startups often make the wrong choice
Startups often make the wrong choice
Many startups
incorrectly hire &
keep these folks

And get rid of these
folks rather than
helping them grow
Your Culture Is Not:
“Work hard. Play hard.”
Ping pong tables & beer in the fridge
Inside jokes you have around the office

Where you hang out after work
A list of company values posted on the wall
Your Culture Is:
Who you hire, keep, & reward vs. who you don’t
promote or fire (and why)
The criteria you define (or are perceived to have
created) for having or earning influence

The values you choose to prioritize when things
are hard (or when a value conflicts with an
opportunity for revenue/funding)
#2
If management is the only way

up, we’re all f***’d.
Team members at the
same level should have
similar salaries and
influence – just different
responsibilities.
If Management is the Only Way Up, We’re All F’d
How Can I Have Influence If I’m Not a Manager?

Don’t let your role define
your influence.

Let your influence
define your role.
http://sarahbird.me/2013/09/07/influence/
#3
Build a recruiting brand beyond
your product brand.
Startup communities are tiny
and well-connected.
If you don’t provide a great
experience through this
funnel…
The people who have a bad
time will tell their
friends, colleagues, & coworkers.
#4
Beware of bonuses, prizes, & other recruiting
gimmicks vs. just doing the hard work
We Tried Big Referrals to Get Engineers

Original Blog Post from Our $24,000 Referral Program
It Attracted Some Wrong Kinds of People
And Worse, Created “Classes” of Employees at Moz
#5
There’s no such thing as
10X engineers
(or 10X anything)
Belief in the Mythical 10X Hire Hurts Your Team
#6
Build a vision-based framework that’s

clear to everyone at the company
Creating a Vision-Based Framework
#7
Create expectations for

performance, cadence, and culture
early
It’s Easy to Build Process Early; Hard to Change it Later

Why?
At Minimum, Answer These Five:
1) What are expectations for performance? How
do we know if and when they change? And how
do I know how I’m doing?
2) Who makes decisions on what, and how?
3) What information will be shared about
company performance, and how often?
4) How does an idea become reality here?
5) What are examples of cultural traits we
encourage vs. discourage?
#8
Figure out a mechanism for

regular feedback as you scale
At Moz, We First Tried TinyPulse:

TinyPulse
We Moved to 15Five, and Love It:

15Five
Download the slides:
http://bit.ly/mozstartupteam
Rand & Moz on the Web:
We’re Hiring! http://moz.com/about/jobs

My Blog (about startup-y stuff): http://moz.com/rand
Twitter: @randfish | Google+: 111294201325870406922

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Pitfalls of Startup Team Building

  • 1. The Pitfalls of Team Building 8 Painful lessons learned from hiring, firing, mentoring, managing, losing, and working with people while building Moz’s 130+ person team. Rand Fishkin | October 2013
  • 2. No Need to Take Notes: http://bit.ly/mozstartupteam
  • 3. #1 “You can coach the head. You can’t coach the heart.” - Avinash Kaushik (@avinash)
  • 4. Startups often make the wrong choice
  • 5. Startups often make the wrong choice Many startups incorrectly hire & keep these folks And get rid of these folks rather than helping them grow
  • 6. Your Culture Is Not: “Work hard. Play hard.” Ping pong tables & beer in the fridge Inside jokes you have around the office Where you hang out after work A list of company values posted on the wall
  • 7. Your Culture Is: Who you hire, keep, & reward vs. who you don’t promote or fire (and why) The criteria you define (or are perceived to have created) for having or earning influence The values you choose to prioritize when things are hard (or when a value conflicts with an opportunity for revenue/funding)
  • 8. #2 If management is the only way up, we’re all f***’d.
  • 9. Team members at the same level should have similar salaries and influence – just different responsibilities. If Management is the Only Way Up, We’re All F’d
  • 10. How Can I Have Influence If I’m Not a Manager? Don’t let your role define your influence. Let your influence define your role. http://sarahbird.me/2013/09/07/influence/
  • 11. #3 Build a recruiting brand beyond your product brand.
  • 12.
  • 13. Startup communities are tiny and well-connected. If you don’t provide a great experience through this funnel… The people who have a bad time will tell their friends, colleagues, & coworkers.
  • 14. #4 Beware of bonuses, prizes, & other recruiting gimmicks vs. just doing the hard work
  • 15. We Tried Big Referrals to Get Engineers Original Blog Post from Our $24,000 Referral Program
  • 16. It Attracted Some Wrong Kinds of People
  • 17. And Worse, Created “Classes” of Employees at Moz
  • 18. #5 There’s no such thing as 10X engineers (or 10X anything)
  • 19. Belief in the Mythical 10X Hire Hurts Your Team
  • 20. #6 Build a vision-based framework that’s clear to everyone at the company
  • 22. #7 Create expectations for performance, cadence, and culture early
  • 23. It’s Easy to Build Process Early; Hard to Change it Later Why?
  • 24. At Minimum, Answer These Five: 1) What are expectations for performance? How do we know if and when they change? And how do I know how I’m doing? 2) Who makes decisions on what, and how? 3) What information will be shared about company performance, and how often? 4) How does an idea become reality here? 5) What are examples of cultural traits we encourage vs. discourage?
  • 25. #8 Figure out a mechanism for regular feedback as you scale
  • 26. At Moz, We First Tried TinyPulse: TinyPulse
  • 27. We Moved to 15Five, and Love It: 15Five
  • 29. Rand & Moz on the Web: We’re Hiring! http://moz.com/about/jobs My Blog (about startup-y stuff): http://moz.com/rand Twitter: @randfish | Google+: 111294201325870406922