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The Most Common Growth
Potholes and How to Avoid Them
Mark Roberge
Co-Founder @Stage2Capital
Prof @HBS
Former CRO @HubSpot
POTHOLE #1: Low License Utilization Rates Causing Revenue Contraction
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3000
4000
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6000
7000
Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
Licenses
Cumulative Customer Licenses Sold vs. Utilized
Licenses Sold Licenses Utilized
Growth Pothole #1:
Legacy Sales Commission Plans
that Yield Low License Utilization
Fix License Utilization and Customer Expansion with the Sales Comp Plan
RESULTS WITH A LEGACY SALES COMP PLAN
Salesperson compensated more for first revenue from a customer and less for expansion revenue
BUYER
“I’d like to start
with 10 licenses
and, if things go
well, expand to the
entire company”
SELLER
“You need to
buy licenses
for the entire
company
upfront”
REVENUE
CONTRACTION
LOW LICENSE UTILIZATION
RESULTS WITH A MODERN SALES COMP PLAN
Salesperson compensated less for first revenue from a customer and more for expansion revenue
BUYER
“I’d like to start
with 10 licenses
and, if things go
well, expand to the
entire company”
SELLER
“Perfect!”
REVENUE
EXPANSION
HIGH LICENSE UTILIZATION
Growth Pothole #2:
Increasing price without a
sustainable moat
Increasing the Starting Price Increases Disruption Risk
Instead, Keep the Opening Price Low and Increase ACV through Expansion
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$15,000
$30,000
$45,000
$60,000
1 2 3 4 5
Customer Lifespan
Legacy Pricing
Price
Value
$0
$15,000
$30,000
$45,000
$60,000
1 2 3 4 5
Customer Lifespan
Modern Pricing
Buy
then
Adopt
 Longer sales cycles
 Lower close rates
 Higher disruption risk
Adopt
then
Buy
 Shorter sales cycles
 Higher close rates
 Lower disruption risk
Growth Pothole #3:
Confusing a temporary moat with a
sustainable moat
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Sustainable Moat Test
Imagine 5 “rock star” engineers in Silicon Valley:
 Raise a round from Sequoia
 Copy your entire product
 Sell it to your market for half your price
Why do new buyers still choose you?
Temporary vs. Sustainable Moats
Network Effect
Brand
Economies of Scale
Government Policy
(i.e. Patents/Trademarks/
Regulation)
Switching Costs
Distribution Channels
Capital Requirements
Sustainable “Moats”* Modern Examples
 Social networks (LinkedIn)
 Marketplaces (Amazon)
 Product-Led-Growth (Slack)
 Direct-to-Consumer (Apple, Warby Parker)
 Cloud Infrastructure (AWS, Snowflake)
 Artificial Intelligence (Gong.io)
 Business Intelligence (Salesforce.com)
 Hardware/Software Hybrid (Toast)
 Commercialization of Space (SpaceX)
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter%27s_five_forces_analysis
Product Features
Funding
Integrations
Non-exclusive
partnerships
24/7 Support
Temporary “Moats”
 Category creation (Inbound Marketing)
 Autonomous Vehicles (Tesla)
Common Mistakes
Raising price prior to moat development
 Developing a moat can sometimes
come at the expense of short term
revenue growth and profits
 CEO/Founder responsibility
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Pothole #4
https://www.nber.org/sites/default/files/2019-08/may18.pdf
Growth Pothole #4:
Promoting Your best salesperson
to manager
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Develop a Sales Leadership Pipeline
Advanced Sales Skill
Certifications
12 Week Leadership
Development
Course
Hire /
Manage 1
Rep before
Promotion
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Sample Sales Leadership
Development Curriculum
https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/hubspot-sales-leadership-curriculum
Provide Promotion Path for Great Sellers
Independent of Management
LEVEL Compensation/Reward Criteria for Promotion
Tier VI
$35K base
$25K Commission
Can interview for AE roles
 Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 15% in past month
 Average >$45K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months
Tier V
$35K base
$20K Commission
Enter AE Training
 Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 15% in past month
 Average >$40K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months
Tier IV
$35K base
$20K Commission
 Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 10% in past month
 Average >$40K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months
Tier III
$35K base
$15K Commission
Access to A-Grade Inbound Leads
 Average 4+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row
 Average >$30K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months
Tier II
$35K base
$15K Commission
 Average 4+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row
 Score of 80+ on the Advanced SDR Prospecting Certification
 3+ customers from appointments set
Tier I $35K base
 Average 50+ calls per day for 6 weeks in a row
 Average 3+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row
 Score of 80+ on the SDR Prospecting Certification
Use Promotion Paths for SDRs as Well
Growth Pothole #5:
Prioritizing revenue acquisition
ahead of customer value creation
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When should
we scale?
The Science of Scaling
What is product-market-fit?
#1 Product-Market Fit
Goal of Phase
#1 Product-Market Fit
Customer Retention
Annual Revenue Retention > 100%
Annual Customer Retention > 90%
Annual Revenue Retention = [ARR (start of year) – Churn + Upgrades] / ARR (start of year)
Annual Customer Retention = [#Customers (start of year) – Customer Churn] / # Customers (start of year)
The Science of Scaling
Customer retention is the best quantifiable measure of product-market-fit
Pothole Alert!
But customer retention is a lagging
indicator. We need to identify a
leading indicator to customer
retention to identify when product-
market-fit is achieved.
A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit
Define a leading indicator to customer retention
[Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit
Industry examples of customer retention leading indicators
[Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
70% of customers send 2,000+ team messages in the first 30
days
85% of customers upload 1 file in 1 folder on 1 device within 1
hour
80% of customers use 5 features out of the 25 features in
the platform within 60 days
A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit
Guidance on Definition
[Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
(P)ercentage: Usually between >75%
(E)vent: (most important)
1. Objective
2. Instrument-able
3. Aligned with customer success and/or value creation
4. Correlated to the company’s unique value proposition
5. Event combinations are OK but keep it simple
(T)ime: Usually within 30 days. Faster for easy to setup products. Can be months for
Enterprise products with lengthy setup.
% of customers that achieve customer retention leading indicator by month of tenure
A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit
Instrument customer acquisition cohorts to identify when product-market-fit is achieved
Goal of Phase
#1 Product-Market Fit
Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
A scientific, data-driven approach to product-market-fit
[Product-Market-Fit] = “Yes”
if ([Customer Retention Leading Indicator] correlates with [Long Term Customer Retention]) AND
([Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True”)
Where [Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
Goal of Phase
Target Market
GTM Playbook
Compensation
Demand Gen.
Pricing
Sales Hire
Early Adopter
Personal Network + Referrals
#1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat
Learn Scale
Customer Retention
Win At All Cost
Solve for Customer Commitment
PM + AE
Based on Customer Retention
Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate
The Science of Scaling
Aligning GTM with the pursuit of Product-Market-Fit
Goal of Phase
#1 Product-Market Fit
Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
What is “Go-to-Market-Fit”?
#2 Go-to-Market Fit
Goal of Phase
#1 Product-Market Fit
Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
“Go-to-Market-Fit” is acquiring and retaining customers consistently and scalably
#2 Go-to-Market Fit
Scalable Unit Economics
“Unit Economics” are also lagging indicators.
We need to understand the leading indicators to unit economics.
The Science of Scaling
Defining the leading indicators to Unit Economics
LTV
CAC
> 3
ACV GM%
Annual Churn %
X
Demand
Gen.
CAC
Sales
CAC
+
Cost per SQL
SQL-to-Customer %
Cost per AE
New
Customers
Acquired per
Month per AE
SQLs
per
AE
SQL-to-
Customer %
X
The Science of Scaling
Defining the leading indicators to Unit Economics
(ACV*GM%/ [Annual Churn %]) / ([Cost per SQL] / [SQL-to-Customer%] + [Salesperson
Monthly Cost] / [SQLs per Salesperson per Month] * [SQL-to-Customer%]) > 3
Therefore, through relatively simple algebra, we have “go-to-market-fit” if the below equation is “True”
ACV = $20,000
GM% = 70%
Annual Churn % = 15%
Cost per SQL = $1,000
SQL-to-Customer % = 5%
Salesperson Monthly Cost = $15,000
SQLs per Salesperson per Month = 40
LTV = $93,333
Sales CAC = $7,500
Marketing CAC = $20,000
LTV/CAC = 3.4
For example…
The Science of Scaling
Instrumenting the leading indicators to Unit Economics
Goal of Phase
Target Market
GTM Playbook
Compensation
Demand Gen.
Pricing
Sales Hire
Early Adopter
Personal Network + Referrals
Early Majority
1 Scalable, Measurable Medium
#1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat
Learn Scale
Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics
Win At All Cost Codified, Scalable
Customer Retention + Unit
Economics
Solve for Customer Commitment Solve for Unit Economics
PM + AE Process Builder
Based on Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
Aligning GTM with the pursuit of Go-To-Market-Fit
Revenue Growth Rate
Goal of Phase
#1 Product-Market Fit
Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
When should we scale?
When we have “product-market” and “go-to-market” fit.
#2 Go-to-Market Fit
Scalable Unit Economics
Growth Pothole #6:
Massive hiring of salespeople in
the month after a financing round
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How fast should
we scale?
Goal of Phase
The Science of Scaling
Establish a pace. Watch the speedometer.
Growth Speedometer
#1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat
Experiment Scale
Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate
Goal of Phase
Target Market
GTM Playbook
Compensation
Demand Gen.
Pricing
Sales Hire
Early Adopter
Personal Network + Referrals
Early Majority
1 Scalable, Measurable Medium
#1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat
Learn Scale
Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate
Win At All Cost Codified, Scalable
Solve for Customer Commitment Solve for Unit Economics
PM + AE Process Builder Process Executor
Add Promotion Path
Scale vs. Experiment vs. Ignore
Multiple Mediums.
Tightly Aligned with Sales.
Reinforced
Assess Disruption Risk
Customer Retention + Unit
Economics
Based on Customer Retention
The Science of Scaling
Aligning GTM with Growth and Moat
President at Atlassian
CRO at Snowflake
CRO at Zoom
CRO at Asana, DropBox
Fmr CRO @ Okta
President at CloudGuru, ZoomInfo
President at Salesforce
Fmr CRO at Tesla / COO at Lyft
CRO at Segment
CRO at SumoLogic
CRO at ServiceNow
Head of Sales Ops at Zoom
President at Blackline
COO and CRO at Yelp
Fmr COO at Gainsight
SVP of Customer Success at Toast
CMO at SurveyMonkey
CMO at Salesloft
CRO at Gong
CRO at SmartSheet
CRO at Glassdoor
CRO at Seismic
The 1st VC Firm Run and Backed by 250+ GTM Leaders from
the Top Tech Companies in the World
Resources
https://blog.stage2.capital/science-of-scaling https://blog.stage2.capital/bottoms-up-sm-model
https://blog.stage2.capital/hiring-sales-leader
https://blog.stage2.capital/
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Ayele Shakur
Build.org CEO
Thanks!
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Co-Founder @Stage2Capital
Prof @HBS
Former CRO @HubSpot

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  • 1. #inbound12 The Most Common Growth Potholes and How to Avoid Them Mark Roberge Co-Founder @Stage2Capital Prof @HBS Former CRO @HubSpot
  • 2. POTHOLE #1: Low License Utilization Rates Causing Revenue Contraction 0 1000 2000 3000 4000 5000 6000 7000 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Licenses Cumulative Customer Licenses Sold vs. Utilized Licenses Sold Licenses Utilized
  • 3. Growth Pothole #1: Legacy Sales Commission Plans that Yield Low License Utilization
  • 4. Fix License Utilization and Customer Expansion with the Sales Comp Plan RESULTS WITH A LEGACY SALES COMP PLAN Salesperson compensated more for first revenue from a customer and less for expansion revenue BUYER “I’d like to start with 10 licenses and, if things go well, expand to the entire company” SELLER “You need to buy licenses for the entire company upfront” REVENUE CONTRACTION LOW LICENSE UTILIZATION RESULTS WITH A MODERN SALES COMP PLAN Salesperson compensated less for first revenue from a customer and more for expansion revenue BUYER “I’d like to start with 10 licenses and, if things go well, expand to the entire company” SELLER “Perfect!” REVENUE EXPANSION HIGH LICENSE UTILIZATION
  • 5. Growth Pothole #2: Increasing price without a sustainable moat
  • 6. Increasing the Starting Price Increases Disruption Risk Instead, Keep the Opening Price Low and Increase ACV through Expansion $0 $15,000 $30,000 $45,000 $60,000 1 2 3 4 5 Customer Lifespan Legacy Pricing Price Value $0 $15,000 $30,000 $45,000 $60,000 1 2 3 4 5 Customer Lifespan Modern Pricing Buy then Adopt  Longer sales cycles  Lower close rates  Higher disruption risk Adopt then Buy  Shorter sales cycles  Higher close rates  Lower disruption risk
  • 7. Growth Pothole #3: Confusing a temporary moat with a sustainable moat
  • 8. 8 @markroberge Sustainable Moat Test Imagine 5 “rock star” engineers in Silicon Valley:  Raise a round from Sequoia  Copy your entire product  Sell it to your market for half your price Why do new buyers still choose you?
  • 9. Temporary vs. Sustainable Moats Network Effect Brand Economies of Scale Government Policy (i.e. Patents/Trademarks/ Regulation) Switching Costs Distribution Channels Capital Requirements Sustainable “Moats”* Modern Examples  Social networks (LinkedIn)  Marketplaces (Amazon)  Product-Led-Growth (Slack)  Direct-to-Consumer (Apple, Warby Parker)  Cloud Infrastructure (AWS, Snowflake)  Artificial Intelligence (Gong.io)  Business Intelligence (Salesforce.com)  Hardware/Software Hybrid (Toast)  Commercialization of Space (SpaceX) *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter%27s_five_forces_analysis Product Features Funding Integrations Non-exclusive partnerships 24/7 Support Temporary “Moats”  Category creation (Inbound Marketing)  Autonomous Vehicles (Tesla)
  • 10. Common Mistakes Raising price prior to moat development  Developing a moat can sometimes come at the expense of short term revenue growth and profits  CEO/Founder responsibility
  • 12. Growth Pothole #4: Promoting Your best salesperson to manager
  • 13. 13 @markroberge Develop a Sales Leadership Pipeline Advanced Sales Skill Certifications 12 Week Leadership Development Course Hire / Manage 1 Rep before Promotion
  • 14. 14 @markroberge Sample Sales Leadership Development Curriculum https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/hubspot-sales-leadership-curriculum
  • 15. Provide Promotion Path for Great Sellers Independent of Management
  • 16. LEVEL Compensation/Reward Criteria for Promotion Tier VI $35K base $25K Commission Can interview for AE roles  Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 15% in past month  Average >$45K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months Tier V $35K base $20K Commission Enter AE Training  Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 15% in past month  Average >$40K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months Tier IV $35K base $20K Commission  Average appointment-to-customer % greater than 10% in past month  Average >$40K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months Tier III $35K base $15K Commission Access to A-Grade Inbound Leads  Average 4+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row  Average >$30K revenue from appointments per month for last 2 months Tier II $35K base $15K Commission  Average 4+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row  Score of 80+ on the Advanced SDR Prospecting Certification  3+ customers from appointments set Tier I $35K base  Average 50+ calls per day for 6 weeks in a row  Average 3+ appointments set per week for 4 weeks in a row  Score of 80+ on the SDR Prospecting Certification Use Promotion Paths for SDRs as Well
  • 17. Growth Pothole #5: Prioritizing revenue acquisition ahead of customer value creation
  • 19. The Science of Scaling What is product-market-fit? #1 Product-Market Fit
  • 20. Goal of Phase #1 Product-Market Fit Customer Retention Annual Revenue Retention > 100% Annual Customer Retention > 90% Annual Revenue Retention = [ARR (start of year) – Churn + Upgrades] / ARR (start of year) Annual Customer Retention = [#Customers (start of year) – Customer Churn] / # Customers (start of year) The Science of Scaling Customer retention is the best quantifiable measure of product-market-fit
  • 21. Pothole Alert! But customer retention is a lagging indicator. We need to identify a leading indicator to customer retention to identify when product- market-fit is achieved.
  • 22. A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit Define a leading indicator to customer retention [Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
  • 23. A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit Industry examples of customer retention leading indicators [Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time 70% of customers send 2,000+ team messages in the first 30 days 85% of customers upload 1 file in 1 folder on 1 device within 1 hour 80% of customers use 5 features out of the 25 features in the platform within 60 days
  • 24. A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit Guidance on Definition [Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time (P)ercentage: Usually between >75% (E)vent: (most important) 1. Objective 2. Instrument-able 3. Aligned with customer success and/or value creation 4. Correlated to the company’s unique value proposition 5. Event combinations are OK but keep it simple (T)ime: Usually within 30 days. Faster for easy to setup products. Can be months for Enterprise products with lengthy setup.
  • 25. % of customers that achieve customer retention leading indicator by month of tenure A Scientific, Data-Driven Approach to Product-Market-Fit Instrument customer acquisition cohorts to identify when product-market-fit is achieved
  • 26. Goal of Phase #1 Product-Market Fit Customer Retention The Science of Scaling A scientific, data-driven approach to product-market-fit [Product-Market-Fit] = “Yes” if ([Customer Retention Leading Indicator] correlates with [Long Term Customer Retention]) AND ([Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True”) Where [Customer Retention Leading Indicator] is “True” if P% of customers achieve E event(s) within T time
  • 27. Goal of Phase Target Market GTM Playbook Compensation Demand Gen. Pricing Sales Hire Early Adopter Personal Network + Referrals #1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat Learn Scale Customer Retention Win At All Cost Solve for Customer Commitment PM + AE Based on Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate The Science of Scaling Aligning GTM with the pursuit of Product-Market-Fit
  • 28. Goal of Phase #1 Product-Market Fit Customer Retention The Science of Scaling What is “Go-to-Market-Fit”? #2 Go-to-Market Fit
  • 29. Goal of Phase #1 Product-Market Fit Customer Retention The Science of Scaling “Go-to-Market-Fit” is acquiring and retaining customers consistently and scalably #2 Go-to-Market Fit Scalable Unit Economics “Unit Economics” are also lagging indicators. We need to understand the leading indicators to unit economics.
  • 30. The Science of Scaling Defining the leading indicators to Unit Economics LTV CAC > 3 ACV GM% Annual Churn % X Demand Gen. CAC Sales CAC + Cost per SQL SQL-to-Customer % Cost per AE New Customers Acquired per Month per AE SQLs per AE SQL-to- Customer % X
  • 31. The Science of Scaling Defining the leading indicators to Unit Economics (ACV*GM%/ [Annual Churn %]) / ([Cost per SQL] / [SQL-to-Customer%] + [Salesperson Monthly Cost] / [SQLs per Salesperson per Month] * [SQL-to-Customer%]) > 3 Therefore, through relatively simple algebra, we have “go-to-market-fit” if the below equation is “True” ACV = $20,000 GM% = 70% Annual Churn % = 15% Cost per SQL = $1,000 SQL-to-Customer % = 5% Salesperson Monthly Cost = $15,000 SQLs per Salesperson per Month = 40 LTV = $93,333 Sales CAC = $7,500 Marketing CAC = $20,000 LTV/CAC = 3.4 For example…
  • 32. The Science of Scaling Instrumenting the leading indicators to Unit Economics
  • 33. Goal of Phase Target Market GTM Playbook Compensation Demand Gen. Pricing Sales Hire Early Adopter Personal Network + Referrals Early Majority 1 Scalable, Measurable Medium #1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat Learn Scale Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Win At All Cost Codified, Scalable Customer Retention + Unit Economics Solve for Customer Commitment Solve for Unit Economics PM + AE Process Builder Based on Customer Retention The Science of Scaling Aligning GTM with the pursuit of Go-To-Market-Fit Revenue Growth Rate
  • 34. Goal of Phase #1 Product-Market Fit Customer Retention The Science of Scaling When should we scale? When we have “product-market” and “go-to-market” fit. #2 Go-to-Market Fit Scalable Unit Economics
  • 35. Growth Pothole #6: Massive hiring of salespeople in the month after a financing round
  • 36. 36 @markroberge How fast should we scale?
  • 37. Goal of Phase The Science of Scaling Establish a pace. Watch the speedometer. Growth Speedometer #1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat Experiment Scale Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate
  • 38. Goal of Phase Target Market GTM Playbook Compensation Demand Gen. Pricing Sales Hire Early Adopter Personal Network + Referrals Early Majority 1 Scalable, Measurable Medium #1 Product-Market Fit #2 Go-to-Market Fit #3 Growth and Moat Learn Scale Customer Retention Scalable Unit Economics Revenue Growth Rate Win At All Cost Codified, Scalable Solve for Customer Commitment Solve for Unit Economics PM + AE Process Builder Process Executor Add Promotion Path Scale vs. Experiment vs. Ignore Multiple Mediums. Tightly Aligned with Sales. Reinforced Assess Disruption Risk Customer Retention + Unit Economics Based on Customer Retention The Science of Scaling Aligning GTM with Growth and Moat
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