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Are	
  you	
  ready	
  to	
  Unbundle	
  It?	
  
	
  
	
  
Former	
  consumer	
  products	
  goods	
  companies	
  executive	
  Elliot	
  Haverlack	
  is	
  
answering	
  a	
  few	
  questions	
  about	
  his	
  new	
  book,	
  Unbundle	
  It.	
  In	
  the	
  process,	
  
he’s	
  also	
  shedding	
  light	
  on	
  how	
  four-­‐letter	
  words—including	
  the	
  F-­‐word—
should	
  be	
  used	
  all	
  the	
  time	
  in	
  the	
  workplace.	
  Enjoy!	
  
	
  
	
  
	
  
What	
  motivated	
  you	
  to	
  write	
  Unbundle	
  It?	
  	
  
Throughout	
  my	
  career,	
  I	
  experienced	
  countless	
  matters	
  that	
  stagnated	
  or	
  ideas	
  and	
  opportunities	
  that	
  
were	
  not	
  being	
  realized	
  because	
  they	
  were	
  tied	
  up	
  in	
  related,	
  but	
  ultimately	
  immaterial	
  nonsense.	
  I	
  
found	
  that	
  if	
  we	
  could	
  unbundle	
  the	
  idea	
  or	
  matter	
  from	
  all	
  the	
  stuff	
  that	
  was	
  confounding	
  progress,	
  
business	
  could	
  be	
  more	
  successful	
  –	
  and	
  profitable.	
  	
  	
  
	
  
You	
  now	
  offer	
  a	
  consultation	
  service	
  via	
  UnbundleIt.com.	
  How	
  would	
  you	
  describe	
  this	
  service?	
  
We	
  offer	
  a	
  broad	
  spectrum	
  of	
  services.	
  At	
  one	
  end	
  of	
  the	
  continuum	
  we	
  offer	
  meeting	
  style	
  workshops	
  
that	
  will	
  elevate	
  organizational	
  capacity,	
  capability,	
  and	
  cooperation.	
  At	
  the	
  other	
  
end	
  we	
  specialize	
  in	
  individual	
  coaching	
  sessions	
  that	
  will	
  develop	
  leadership	
  skills	
  
in	
  team	
  members	
  at	
  all	
  levels.	
  	
  We	
  are	
  experts	
  in	
  coaching	
  budding	
  leaders	
  and	
  
preparing	
  them	
  to	
  become	
  the	
  superstars	
  of	
  the	
  future.	
  	
  
	
  
Unbundle	
  It	
  addresses	
  some	
  of	
  the	
  most	
  common	
  problems	
  in	
  corporate	
  
America.	
  Of	
  all	
  of	
  these	
  problems,	
  which	
  do	
  you	
  think	
  are	
  the	
  most	
  serious?	
  
Simply	
  stated,	
  failure	
  to	
  focus	
  on	
  organizational	
  cooperation.	
  This	
  means	
  
populating	
  your	
  team	
  with	
  members	
  who	
  share	
  your	
  values	
  and	
  developing	
  a	
  high	
  
level	
  of	
  trust.	
  
	
  
How	
  have	
  the	
  principles	
  of	
  Unbundle	
  It	
  impacted	
  your	
  own	
  life	
  and	
  business	
  experiences?	
  
I	
  have	
  been	
  blessed	
  to	
  lead	
  some	
  of	
  the	
  most	
  amazing	
  teams	
  in	
  business…	
  Applying	
  a	
  simplified	
  
perspective	
  has	
  provided	
  us	
  with	
  the	
  opportunity	
  to	
  accomplish	
  the	
  seemingly	
  impossible,	
  and	
  in	
  doing	
  
so;	
  experience	
  the	
  thrill	
  of	
  winning	
  over	
  and	
  over	
  again	
  and	
  learning	
  from	
  our	
  failures.	
  
	
  
In	
  my	
  personal	
  life	
  keeping	
  everything	
  in	
  perspective	
  has	
  created	
  an	
  indescribably	
  powerful	
  sense	
  of	
  
wellbeing.	
  Simply	
  stated	
  I	
  love	
  life	
  and	
  have	
  had	
  the	
  opportunity	
  to	
  experience	
  adventures	
  that	
  I,	
  young	
  
Elliott,	
  could	
  not	
  have	
  imagined.	
  
	
  
In	
  the	
  book,	
  you	
  assert	
  that	
  in	
  business,	
  and	
  in	
  other	
  areas	
  of	
  life,	
  people	
  "complicate"	
  and	
  
"bundle"	
  everything.	
  Can	
  you	
  give	
  us	
  an	
  example?	
  	
  
The	
  book	
  references	
  salt	
  and	
  pepper,	
  two	
  separate	
  things	
  that	
  are	
  almost	
  always	
  considered	
  together.	
  
Why	
  must	
  one	
  always	
  have	
  both	
  if	
  one	
  only	
  wants	
  one	
  or	
  the	
  other?	
  It	
  is	
  simplistic—maybe	
  too	
  much	
  
so.	
  But	
  when	
  applying	
  the	
  simple	
  thought	
  to	
  business,	
  what	
  if	
  we	
  were	
  to	
  take	
  an	
  idea	
  or	
  a	
  challenge,	
  
and	
  pare	
  it	
  down…	
  separate	
  it	
  from	
  all	
  those	
  weights	
  tied	
  to	
  it	
  that	
  prevent	
  it	
  from	
  proceeding?	
  In	
  the	
  
purest	
  sense,	
  what	
  would	
  it	
  take	
  to	
  move	
  that	
  idea	
  or	
  challenge	
  forward?	
  	
  
	
  
Once	
  we	
  begin	
  to	
  think	
  of	
  things	
  in	
  that	
  way,	
  we	
  have	
  achieved	
  and	
  “unbundled”	
  state	
  that	
  gives	
  us	
  the	
  
capacity	
  to	
  move	
  it	
  forward	
  or	
  resolve	
  the	
  challenge.	
  It	
  does	
  not	
  mean	
  that	
  the	
  surrounding	
  factors	
  just	
  
disappear.	
  But	
  if	
  we	
  isolate	
  the	
  problem	
  or	
  idea,	
  and	
  solve	
  against	
  the	
  challenges	
  individually,	
  progress	
  
occurs.	
  Otherwise,	
  bundled,	
  tied,	
  mired	
  down…	
  progress	
  and	
  progressive	
  thinking	
  are	
  slowed	
  or	
  
stopped.	
  
	
  
How	
  do	
  you	
  define	
  “bundling”	
  and	
  why	
  is	
  it	
  important	
  for	
  business	
  leaders	
  to	
  move	
  away	
  from	
  this	
  
practice?	
  	
  
Bundling	
  is	
  the	
  tendency	
  that	
  business	
  leaders	
  have	
  to	
  overcomplicate	
  just	
  about	
  everything.	
  Speed	
  
matters	
  in	
  business	
  and	
  complexity	
  its	
  enemy.	
  Imagine	
  a	
  world	
  where	
  insightful	
  decisions	
  can	
  be	
  made	
  
quickly	
  and	
  deftly	
  because	
  the	
  self-­‐created	
  complication	
  has	
  been	
  removed	
  from	
  our	
  lives.	
  
	
  
Can	
  you	
  share	
  an	
  anecdote	
  about	
  how	
  "bundling"	
  impeded	
  you/the	
  companies	
  you	
  worked	
  with?	
  	
  
I	
  could	
  write	
  a	
  book	
  on	
  this	
  topic.	
  When	
  I	
  was	
  a	
  young	
  man	
  the	
  company	
  I	
  worked	
  for	
  required	
  a	
  lengthy	
  
list	
  of	
  daily	
  reports	
  that	
  were	
  not	
  relevant	
  and	
  rarely,	
  if	
  ever,	
  reviewed.	
  As	
  such,	
  three	
  things	
  occurred.	
  
Supervisors	
  who	
  were	
  burdened	
  with	
  completing	
  the	
  reports	
  fraudulently	
  completed	
  the	
  same.	
  
Supervisors	
  lost	
  confidence	
  in	
  the	
  leadership.	
  Supervisors	
  spent	
  up	
  to	
  20	
  percent	
  of	
  their	
  time	
  
performing	
  activities	
  that	
  had	
  no	
  impact	
  on	
  any	
  meaningful	
  output.	
  
	
  
Related	
  is	
  the	
  interesting	
  use	
  of	
  hourly	
  cleaning	
  logs	
  posted	
  in	
  public	
  restrooms.	
  My	
  question	
  is	
  who	
  
decided	
  this	
  was	
  prudent?	
  In	
  my	
  experience	
  the	
  logs	
  are	
  either	
  blank,	
  behind,	
  filled	
  in	
  with	
  hours	
  that	
  
yet	
  to	
  occur.	
  In	
  many	
  cases	
  the	
  restrooms	
  are	
  filthy	
  leading	
  me	
  to	
  want	
  to	
  meet	
  the	
  staff	
  member	
  who	
  
claimed	
  to	
  have	
  cleaned	
  it	
  just	
  5	
  minutes	
  prior.	
  Could	
  it	
  be	
  that	
  team	
  member’s	
  time	
  might	
  be	
  better	
  
used	
  in	
  actually	
  cleaning	
  the	
  restrooms	
  rather	
  than	
  spending	
  the	
  time	
  to	
  find	
  a	
  dry	
  erase	
  marker,	
  fill	
  in	
  
the	
  log,	
  and	
  then	
  erase	
  the	
  times	
  so	
  they	
  can	
  be	
  filled	
  in	
  again	
  the	
  next	
  day.	
  
	
  
Is	
  it	
  accurate	
  to	
  say	
  that	
  you	
  view	
  many	
  of	
  the	
  ways	
  today’s	
  leaders	
  operate,	
  are	
  ineffective,	
  off-­‐
target,	
  and	
  off-­‐base?	
  
It	
  is	
  an	
  unfair	
  characterization	
  as	
  you	
  describe,	
  however	
  it	
  IS	
  fair	
  to	
  say	
  that	
  frequently	
  leaders	
  adopt	
  
overly	
  bureaucratic	
  processes,	
  likely	
  enacted	
  with	
  the	
  best	
  of	
  intentions,	
  but	
  that	
  debilitate	
  their	
  teams	
  
and	
  erode	
  trust.	
  
	
  
How	
  has	
  your	
  background	
  helped	
  to	
  make	
  you	
  an	
  authority	
  on	
  unbundling?	
  
We	
  are	
  all	
  products	
  of	
  the	
  life	
  we	
  have	
  had	
  the	
  privilege	
  to	
  lead.	
  In	
  my	
  case,	
  early	
  in	
  my	
  life	
  I	
  was	
  
extremely	
  fortunate	
  to	
  have	
  great	
  outcomes	
  from	
  potentially	
  life	
  altering	
  misfortune.	
  	
  While	
  I	
  had	
  the	
  
opportunity	
  to	
  attend	
  an	
  Ivy	
  League	
  university,	
  the	
  personal	
  circumstances	
  at	
  the	
  time	
  made	
  the	
  
challenges	
  of	
  that	
  an	
  insurmountable	
  opportunity.	
  I	
  instead	
  was	
  compelled	
  to	
  attend	
  a	
  small	
  state	
  
college	
  near	
  the	
  town	
  where	
  I	
  grew	
  up.	
  There	
  I	
  had	
  the	
  great	
  blessing	
  to	
  meet	
  two	
  mentors	
  who	
  urged	
  
me	
  to	
  explore	
  where	
  my	
  ambition	
  and	
  drive	
  could	
  lead	
  me.	
  	
  
	
  
A	
  year	
  of	
  unemployment	
  and	
  underemployment	
  after	
  graduation	
  provided	
  me	
  the	
  opportunity	
  to	
  
reflect	
  on	
  the	
  self-­‐inflicted	
  bundling	
  that	
  had	
  ruled	
  my	
  life	
  until	
  that	
  point.	
  	
  When	
  my	
  employment	
  
break	
  came	
  I	
  unbundled	
  my	
  fears	
  and	
  my	
  life	
  and	
  heeded	
  the	
  advice	
  of	
  those	
  two	
  wise	
  advisors.	
  From	
  
that	
  day	
  forward	
  I	
  have	
  never	
  looked	
  back	
  except	
  for	
  to	
  reflect	
  how	
  fortunate	
  I	
  was	
  to	
  have	
  been	
  given	
  
the	
  opportunity	
  to	
  pursue	
  my	
  dreams.	
  
	
  
In	
  retrospect	
  I	
  came	
  full	
  circle	
  at	
  the	
  age	
  of	
  40	
  when	
  I	
  sat	
  on	
  the	
  board	
  of	
  a	
  major	
  CPG	
  company	
  that	
  
was	
  populated	
  almost	
  completely	
  with	
  Ivy	
  League	
  grads.	
  With	
  that	
  box	
  checked	
  I	
  elected	
  to	
  unbundle	
  
my	
  life	
  further,	
  resigned,	
  and	
  opted	
  to	
  lead	
  a	
  small	
  struggling	
  family	
  owned	
  business.	
  More	
  than	
  a	
  
decade	
  of	
  23.9%	
  compounded	
  annual	
  growth	
  followed	
  and	
  with	
  it	
  the	
  fortune	
  of	
  living	
  in	
  unbundled	
  
bliss.	
  
	
  
What	
  is	
  the	
  one	
  piece	
  of	
  advice	
  you	
  hear	
  yourself	
  sharing	
  over	
  and	
  over	
  again?	
  	
  
If	
  you	
  want	
  to	
  see	
  productive	
  change	
  from	
  others,	
  you	
  must	
  first	
  be	
  willing	
  to	
  change	
  yourself.	
  
	
  
Who	
  do	
  you	
  recommend	
  this	
  book	
  for?	
  	
  
Frankly	
  the	
  collection	
  of	
  life	
  lessons	
  compiled	
  in	
  this	
  book	
  makes	
  it	
  a	
  great	
  read	
  for	
  anyone.	
  But,	
  its	
  
target	
  audience	
  is	
  business	
  leaders	
  who	
  want	
  to	
  empower	
  themselves	
  and	
  their	
  workforces.	
  It	
  is	
  for	
  
those	
  in	
  the	
  working	
  world	
  who	
  have	
  found	
  themselves	
  mired	
  amongst	
  the	
  naysayers…	
  for	
  those	
  
frustrated	
  by	
  the	
  confines	
  of	
  the	
  day	
  to	
  day	
  who	
  seek	
  to	
  break	
  through	
  and	
  help	
  others	
  come	
  along.	
  	
  
	
  
What	
  will	
  readers	
  gain	
  from	
  reading	
  Unbundle	
  It?	
  	
  
They	
  will	
  gain	
  critical	
  thinking	
  skills	
  to	
  help	
  discern	
  what	
  are	
  worthy	
  encumbrances	
  and	
  what	
  are	
  just	
  
blocks	
  in	
  the	
  road.	
  More	
  than	
  that,	
  they	
  will	
  learn	
  how	
  to	
  navigate	
  through	
  and	
  around	
  them.	
  
	
  
Ok,	
  what	
  four	
  letter	
  words	
  can	
  possibly	
  be	
  acceptable	
  in	
  business?	
  
First,	
  it	
  is	
  not	
  any	
  of	
  the	
  ones	
  you	
  are	
  thinking—although	
  one	
  does	
  start	
  with	
  “f”.	
  Try	
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Are You Ready to Unbundle It?

  • 1. Are  you  ready  to  Unbundle  It?       Former  consumer  products  goods  companies  executive  Elliot  Haverlack  is   answering  a  few  questions  about  his  new  book,  Unbundle  It.  In  the  process,   he’s  also  shedding  light  on  how  four-­‐letter  words—including  the  F-­‐word— should  be  used  all  the  time  in  the  workplace.  Enjoy!         What  motivated  you  to  write  Unbundle  It?     Throughout  my  career,  I  experienced  countless  matters  that  stagnated  or  ideas  and  opportunities  that   were  not  being  realized  because  they  were  tied  up  in  related,  but  ultimately  immaterial  nonsense.  I   found  that  if  we  could  unbundle  the  idea  or  matter  from  all  the  stuff  that  was  confounding  progress,   business  could  be  more  successful  –  and  profitable.         You  now  offer  a  consultation  service  via  UnbundleIt.com.  How  would  you  describe  this  service?   We  offer  a  broad  spectrum  of  services.  At  one  end  of  the  continuum  we  offer  meeting  style  workshops   that  will  elevate  organizational  capacity,  capability,  and  cooperation.  At  the  other   end  we  specialize  in  individual  coaching  sessions  that  will  develop  leadership  skills   in  team  members  at  all  levels.    We  are  experts  in  coaching  budding  leaders  and   preparing  them  to  become  the  superstars  of  the  future.       Unbundle  It  addresses  some  of  the  most  common  problems  in  corporate   America.  Of  all  of  these  problems,  which  do  you  think  are  the  most  serious?   Simply  stated,  failure  to  focus  on  organizational  cooperation.  This  means   populating  your  team  with  members  who  share  your  values  and  developing  a  high   level  of  trust.     How  have  the  principles  of  Unbundle  It  impacted  your  own  life  and  business  experiences?   I  have  been  blessed  to  lead  some  of  the  most  amazing  teams  in  business…  Applying  a  simplified   perspective  has  provided  us  with  the  opportunity  to  accomplish  the  seemingly  impossible,  and  in  doing   so;  experience  the  thrill  of  winning  over  and  over  again  and  learning  from  our  failures.     In  my  personal  life  keeping  everything  in  perspective  has  created  an  indescribably  powerful  sense  of   wellbeing.  Simply  stated  I  love  life  and  have  had  the  opportunity  to  experience  adventures  that  I,  young   Elliott,  could  not  have  imagined.     In  the  book,  you  assert  that  in  business,  and  in  other  areas  of  life,  people  "complicate"  and   "bundle"  everything.  Can  you  give  us  an  example?     The  book  references  salt  and  pepper,  two  separate  things  that  are  almost  always  considered  together.   Why  must  one  always  have  both  if  one  only  wants  one  or  the  other?  It  is  simplistic—maybe  too  much   so.  But  when  applying  the  simple  thought  to  business,  what  if  we  were  to  take  an  idea  or  a  challenge,   and  pare  it  down…  separate  it  from  all  those  weights  tied  to  it  that  prevent  it  from  proceeding?  In  the   purest  sense,  what  would  it  take  to  move  that  idea  or  challenge  forward?      
  • 2. Once  we  begin  to  think  of  things  in  that  way,  we  have  achieved  and  “unbundled”  state  that  gives  us  the   capacity  to  move  it  forward  or  resolve  the  challenge.  It  does  not  mean  that  the  surrounding  factors  just   disappear.  But  if  we  isolate  the  problem  or  idea,  and  solve  against  the  challenges  individually,  progress   occurs.  Otherwise,  bundled,  tied,  mired  down…  progress  and  progressive  thinking  are  slowed  or   stopped.     How  do  you  define  “bundling”  and  why  is  it  important  for  business  leaders  to  move  away  from  this   practice?     Bundling  is  the  tendency  that  business  leaders  have  to  overcomplicate  just  about  everything.  Speed   matters  in  business  and  complexity  its  enemy.  Imagine  a  world  where  insightful  decisions  can  be  made   quickly  and  deftly  because  the  self-­‐created  complication  has  been  removed  from  our  lives.     Can  you  share  an  anecdote  about  how  "bundling"  impeded  you/the  companies  you  worked  with?     I  could  write  a  book  on  this  topic.  When  I  was  a  young  man  the  company  I  worked  for  required  a  lengthy   list  of  daily  reports  that  were  not  relevant  and  rarely,  if  ever,  reviewed.  As  such,  three  things  occurred.   Supervisors  who  were  burdened  with  completing  the  reports  fraudulently  completed  the  same.   Supervisors  lost  confidence  in  the  leadership.  Supervisors  spent  up  to  20  percent  of  their  time   performing  activities  that  had  no  impact  on  any  meaningful  output.     Related  is  the  interesting  use  of  hourly  cleaning  logs  posted  in  public  restrooms.  My  question  is  who   decided  this  was  prudent?  In  my  experience  the  logs  are  either  blank,  behind,  filled  in  with  hours  that   yet  to  occur.  In  many  cases  the  restrooms  are  filthy  leading  me  to  want  to  meet  the  staff  member  who   claimed  to  have  cleaned  it  just  5  minutes  prior.  Could  it  be  that  team  member’s  time  might  be  better   used  in  actually  cleaning  the  restrooms  rather  than  spending  the  time  to  find  a  dry  erase  marker,  fill  in   the  log,  and  then  erase  the  times  so  they  can  be  filled  in  again  the  next  day.     Is  it  accurate  to  say  that  you  view  many  of  the  ways  today’s  leaders  operate,  are  ineffective,  off-­‐ target,  and  off-­‐base?   It  is  an  unfair  characterization  as  you  describe,  however  it  IS  fair  to  say  that  frequently  leaders  adopt   overly  bureaucratic  processes,  likely  enacted  with  the  best  of  intentions,  but  that  debilitate  their  teams   and  erode  trust.     How  has  your  background  helped  to  make  you  an  authority  on  unbundling?   We  are  all  products  of  the  life  we  have  had  the  privilege  to  lead.  In  my  case,  early  in  my  life  I  was   extremely  fortunate  to  have  great  outcomes  from  potentially  life  altering  misfortune.    While  I  had  the   opportunity  to  attend  an  Ivy  League  university,  the  personal  circumstances  at  the  time  made  the   challenges  of  that  an  insurmountable  opportunity.  I  instead  was  compelled  to  attend  a  small  state   college  near  the  town  where  I  grew  up.  There  I  had  the  great  blessing  to  meet  two  mentors  who  urged   me  to  explore  where  my  ambition  and  drive  could  lead  me.       A  year  of  unemployment  and  underemployment  after  graduation  provided  me  the  opportunity  to   reflect  on  the  self-­‐inflicted  bundling  that  had  ruled  my  life  until  that  point.    When  my  employment   break  came  I  unbundled  my  fears  and  my  life  and  heeded  the  advice  of  those  two  wise  advisors.  From   that  day  forward  I  have  never  looked  back  except  for  to  reflect  how  fortunate  I  was  to  have  been  given   the  opportunity  to  pursue  my  dreams.     In  retrospect  I  came  full  circle  at  the  age  of  40  when  I  sat  on  the  board  of  a  major  CPG  company  that   was  populated  almost  completely  with  Ivy  League  grads.  With  that  box  checked  I  elected  to  unbundle  
  • 3. my  life  further,  resigned,  and  opted  to  lead  a  small  struggling  family  owned  business.  More  than  a   decade  of  23.9%  compounded  annual  growth  followed  and  with  it  the  fortune  of  living  in  unbundled   bliss.     What  is  the  one  piece  of  advice  you  hear  yourself  sharing  over  and  over  again?     If  you  want  to  see  productive  change  from  others,  you  must  first  be  willing  to  change  yourself.     Who  do  you  recommend  this  book  for?     Frankly  the  collection  of  life  lessons  compiled  in  this  book  makes  it  a  great  read  for  anyone.  But,  its   target  audience  is  business  leaders  who  want  to  empower  themselves  and  their  workforces.  It  is  for   those  in  the  working  world  who  have  found  themselves  mired  amongst  the  naysayers…  for  those   frustrated  by  the  confines  of  the  day  to  day  who  seek  to  break  through  and  help  others  come  along.       What  will  readers  gain  from  reading  Unbundle  It?     They  will  gain  critical  thinking  skills  to  help  discern  what  are  worthy  encumbrances  and  what  are  just   blocks  in  the  road.  More  than  that,  they  will  learn  how  to  navigate  through  and  around  them.     Ok,  what  four  letter  words  can  possibly  be  acceptable  in  business?   First,  it  is  not  any  of  the  ones  you  are  thinking—although  one  does  start  with  “f”.  Try  thinking  Team,   Love,  and  here  is  my  f-­‐bomb:  Free.  Work  those  into  your  thinking  and  you  and  your  team  can  begin  to   become  unbundled.  But  there  are  two  we  should  never  use:  They  and  Them.  Use  of  these  two  words   erodes  accountability  and  creates  confusion—conditions  that  debilitate  the  team.