Presentation by Vincent Tophoff, Gerente Técnico Senior, IFAC, at the Seminario Un Aporte de Gobernanza Distinto: El Control Interno, in Santiago,Chile, Enero 2015.

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Gestión de Riesgos y Control Interno en
el Sector Público
Vincent Tophoff, International Federation of
Accountants (IFAC)
Contraloría General de la República (CGR)
Seminario Un Aporte de Gobernanza
Distinto: El Control Interno
Santiago, Chile, January, 2015

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International Federation of Accountants
• Global organization of the accountancy profession
• Supports professional accountants in following areas:
– Governance and ethics
– Risk management and internal control (RM/IC)
– Sustainability and corporate responsibility
– Financial and performance management
– Business reporting
– Promoting and contributing to the value of professional accountants
• All areas of critical importance to professional accountants
(and for CGRs & public sector entities too…)

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Relation of Public Sector Governance, Risk
Management & Internal Control
• How do you think that
governance, risk
management & internal
control are related to
each other?

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Relation of Public Sector Governance, RM & IC

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Today’s Agenda
 The Pitfalls – Setting the Scene
 Current Thinking
 COSO /ISO 31000 Standards
 Risk Management & Internal
Control Maturity
 CGR “Call to Action”
 Q&A

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The Pitfalls – Setting the Scene

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Serious Risk Management & Internal Control Flaws
• Having a compliance-only mentality
• Treating risk as only negative and overlooking idea that
entities need to take risk in pursuit of their objectives
• Risk management & internal control that is overly focused
on external financial reporting
• Regarding risk management & internal control as a
separate function or process
• Viewing risk management & internal control as
predominantly important for operations

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Bad vs. Good RM/IC Practices
RM/IC as objective in itself vs. RM/IC to help achieve objectives
Auditor / staff driven vs. Driven from top down
Rules-based vs. Performance & principles-based
Off-the-shelf systems vs. Tailored to the entity
Focused on loss minimization vs. Also focused on value creation
Mainly hard controls vs. Recognizing culture & attitude
Imposed vs. Implemented organically
Stand-alone / “bolt-on” vs. Integrated / ”built-in”
Static, out-of-date vs. Dynamic, evolving
Seen as overhead vs. Seen as a sound investment
Abandoned vs. Integrated in governance

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Global Crisis
Global Crisis, according to IFAC research, was caused by:
 Ethical flaws
 Governance, risk management in name, but not in spirit
 Regulatory overload, leading to legalistic compliance
 Risk & control systems too narrowly focused on only financial
reporting controls
Conclusions from the crisis:
 Entities should take a broader approach in risk management &
internal control
 Appropriate application of risk management & internal control
standards and principles is often the problem

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Current Thinking

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Current Thinking About Risk
The safest place for a ship…
… is to stay in the harbor
But that’s not what ships were made for…

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… Instead, ships were made to transport people &
goods to other destinations…
… And that involves risk…
So, what is risk?
• Risk is nowadays defined as “the effect of uncertainty
on (setting and achieving) the entity’s objectives” (ISO
31000)
• No Objectives = No Risk. Therefore, risk should
always be assessed in light of (setting and achieving)
the entity’s objectives!
Current Thinking About Risk

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Current Thinking About Risk Management
Q: “How does your entity address uncertainty in
achieving its strategic objectives?”
A: “Through our strategic management system;”
– Line management engaged in plan-do-check-act cycle
– Focused on achieving the entity’s objectives
Q: “How does your entity address risk?”
A: “Through our risk management system;”
– (separate) risk and control system, staff functionaries,
risk register
– Focused on mitigating risk

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What does this example tell us?
• That we, risk management professionals, have made
great progress in the area of risk management &
internal control…
• …But that we, in the process, lost the other people in
our entity!
Risk Management
Rest of the entity
Current Thinking About Risk Management

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Five lines of defense:
Current Thinking About Risk Management

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Five lines of defense:
Current Thinking About Risk Management
1. Players
2. Captain
3. Coach
4. Referee
5. FIFA

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Five lines of defense:
Current Thinking About Risk Management
1. Players (Operational staff)
2. Captain (Supervisor)
3. Coach (Risk manager)
4. Referee (Internal Audit)
5. FIFA (Controlaría)
Line
Support

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Current Thinking About the Risk Manager
Biggest risk facing an entity:
Disconnect between those
responsible for achieving
strategic objectives vs. those
responsible for managing risk
Solution:
Making those responsible for
achieving strategic objectives
also responsible for managing
related risks!
Key objective for risk manager is to ensure that risk
management is fully integrated in line management!

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Current Thinking About Internal Control
Hindering the entity Enabling the entity
Good internal control = The Invisible Hand
From To

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COSO Frameworks
(also adopted by INTOSAI)

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2013 COSO Internal Control Cube

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2004 COSO ERM Cube
Will be revised
soon!

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COSO IC vs. COSO ERM

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ISO 31000 Risk Management Standard

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ISO 31000 Principles, Framework & Process

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ISO 31000 Risk Management Principles
• Creates Value
• Integral Part of Organizational Processes
• Part of Decision-Making
• Explicitly Addresses Uncertainty
• Systematic, Structured & Timely
• Based on “Best Available Information”
• Tailored
• Considers Human & Cultural Factors
• Transparent & Inclusive
• Dynamic, Iterative & Responsive to Change
• Facilitates Continuous Improvement

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ISO 31000 Risk Management Framework

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ISO 31000 Risk Management Process
To be applied in
every decision
making process
and subsequent
execution!

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COSO ERM vs. ISO 31000
Many entities use both COSO ERM & ISO 31000…
… Biggest challenge is that concepts are not aligned
COSO ISO 31000
Lengthy vs. Short
Focused on ERM vs. General approach to managing risk
One cube vs. Principles, framework & process
Skewed to negative vs. Risk can be positive or negative
Risk already exists vs. Risk tied to achieving objectives
Risk & opportunities vs. Opportunities also source of risk
More sequential process vs. More iterative process

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Risk Management & Internal Control
Maturity

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RM/IC Maturity Levels

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• Is not to have effective
controls…
• Is not to effectively manage
risk…
But to
• Properly set & achieve its
objectives
• Avoid too many surprises
along the way
• And create sustainable value
Main Objective of a Public Sector Entity

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Argument for Integrating Risk Management & IC
• So, risk management & internal control are not objectives in
themselves, but means to an end…
… Making sound (SWOT) decisions and execute
subsequent actions to achieve the entity’s objectives
without surprises!
… Risk management & internal control should therefore be
fully integrated into a public sector entity's overall
system of management, including governance, strategy
development and planning, operations, reporting, and
accountability

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Risk Is Inherent to Setting Your Objectives

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Achieving Your Objectives Through Planning & Control 1

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Achieving Your Objectives Through Planning & Control 2
Strategic, tactical, and
operational planning & control
cycles
A
P
D
C

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Achieving Your Objectives Through Planning & Control 3

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RM/IC Integral to Achieving Your Objectives

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• Use the Frameworks
• Consider good practice developments
• Perform gap analysis
• Determine performance
• Look at audit results
• Analyze serious flaws
• …
• Continuously move to improvement!
Thoughts on Assessing RM/IC Maturity

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CGR “Call to Action”

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CGR “Call to Action”
CGRs play important roles in implementing good risk
management & internal control in public sector entities:
• Build subject-matter-expertise regarding RM/IC (incl. INTOSAI
standards & guidance, COSO Frameworks, ISO 31000)
• Educate the governing bodies, audit committees, management
teams & staff of the relevant public sector entities
• Champion the importance of good RM/IC: fully integrated in the
entity’s overall system of management
• Support public sector entities through the provision of high-quality
assurance, advice & insight

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CGR’s Role - #1
Champion importance of good risk management:
• CGRs communicate with public sector entity’s leadership
• Attitude and actions of CGR sets tone for good risk
management in public sector entities
• Promote integrating risk management into line
management of a public sector entity!
• Most important element: making RM/IC part of every
decision making process and subsequent execution in
the entity!

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CGR’s Role - #2
Support line management by providing high-
quality assurance, advice & insight:
• Decisions should only be taken with explicit understanding
of related risks and their potential consequences for
achieving an entity’s objectives
• Therefore, decision makers require relevant and reliable
information for their decision making and control processes

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Key Take Aways
• There are many flaws in current risk management and internal
control practice
• Achieving the entity’s objectives is the overall goal; risk is
inherent part of that
• Risk management should, therefore, be fully integrated in the
entity’s system of management
• CGRs support RM/IC in various ways in the public sector entities
they oversee
• IFAC supports professional accountants / CGRs
• However, no matter the guidance provided…

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There will always be some …
… who do it their own way!