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“He’s never going to leave
me….” and other myths
Caroline Counsel
Counsel Family Lawyers
Better Families Brighter Futures
How does love go from this:
To this?
Even swans aren’t swans….
Fact 1: Not All Marriages Last!
 Divorce rate – ever increasing: varies but approx 50%
 Higher for second relationships/marriages
 Couples have different assets/liabilities at start
 Couples have different financial profiles/risk profiles
 Couples divide labour without a financial roadmap of
termination in mind
 But may make pragmatic choices
Fact 2: Many Marriages Don’t Last Long
Fact 2: Many Marriages Don’t Last Long
 Median duration from marriage to divorce in 2014 was 12 years (in
2004 it was 12.3)
 Median duration from marriage to separation in 2014 was 8.4 years (in
2004 it was 8.7)
 Number of divorced Australians compared with 10 years ago
 2.0 divorces per 1,000 estimated resident population in 2014.
 Since 1980, divorce rates have steadily declined from 2.7 in 1980, to 2.0 in 2014
(backlog post FLA cleared)
 In 2014, 47% of all divorces involved children under 18
SOME STATISTICS TO NOTE:
 Age period highest divorce rate in:
 Men – median age – 44.8 (in 2013) – Highest period = 25-29
years (18.2 per 1,000 married population) (2013 data)
 Women – median age - 42.2 (in 2013) - Highest period =
under 25 (20.8 per 1,000 married population) (2013 data)
 Divorce Rate + for second relationships
 Difficult to find, 2007 ABS analysis of concluded that of all
marriages entered into in 2000-2002, 33% would end in
divorce.
 Sydney Morning Herald reporting as 60% for second
marriages
Fact No 3: Many reasons for breakdown
More reasons:
And sadly and significantly:
Fact 4: Significant financial consequences
 We don’t assess where relationships are going –
romantically, emotionally or financially
 We don’t know the risks and exposure
 Separation - unilateral decision – no control
 Separation -biggest single threat to personal and
business wealth base
 De facto relationships do not escape financial
consequences
Fact 4:Cont’d
 Family Law Act: Broad definition of assets
 There is no “mine” or “his”
 Court decides how to regard legal ownership or financial
contribution
 Superannuation = Property
 Court has a broad discretion- sell, divide, ignoring
preferences
 Court can order maintenance: lump sum: from assets
 Other party can acquire an interest for no direct financial
effort
Emerging and unimagined consequences
Fact 5: Not all loans are loans
 Due to house prices, couples rely on parents
 Parents loan/gift money
 Loan may be considered a gift by the Family Court
 In short, Court decides how to regard parents
contributions
 Court can ignore written agreements between parents and
adult children
 Can have a Financial Agreement between couple and third
parties ie parents
Fact 6: Court delays and legal costs
 Litigation is expensive
 Family Courts are unpopular
 If Pauline Hanson is listened to, no Courts and if
Federal Govt believes Family Courts are a hot
potato
 Then even less money for Courts, longer delays,
more frustration for clients, justice denied
Benefits of a Financial Agreement
 Can avoid Court
 Can assist reduce legal costs
 Can minimise dispute after separation
 Can’t avoid division of the asset pool so may as
well limit fall out
 Curtails the angst during relationship if it’s well
drafted as a “set and forget” agreement
 Can protect “parent loans” if parties to F.A.
Benefits of a Financial Agreement
 A Financial Agreement can close the door of Court
 Financial Agreement = a fraction of the cost of
Court dispute
 A Financial Agreement at the start can assist a
couple, particularly second relationship, focus
 Can provide for children of first marriages- estate
planning
Benefits of a Financial Agreement
 Will help clients assess goals,
 May help highlight financial incompatibility
 Can lead to getting financial planning advice
 Can lead to greater financial scrutiny as a couple
FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS – WHEN?
 Financial Agreement - quarantine
business/personal assets from the beginning
 Clients can enter into before/during marriage –
after separation or after divorce
 If prior must enter well before wedding day
 Advisable to negotiate post separation if close to
that date
 Cannot be used to defeat creditors – cannot be a
fraud on a creditor
FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS – WHY?
 If clients have assets of any significance
 Financial Agreement: excludes
property/maintenance sections of FLA
 Assets acquired during marriage can be dealt with
ahead of time – eliminates angst of “what if…”
 Court orders only deal with property – cannot
finalise maintenance
 A Financial Agreement can shut the door of Court
FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS
 Pre determines who gets what on separation
 Can be used as part of a suite of estate planning
documents
 Can agree as to what happens to inheritances and gifts
 Can deal with who gets what re superannuation
 Is the client better off under the Family Law Act?
 Need to assess what rights the client is giving up before
entering into a Financial Agreement
Benefits of Financial Agreements
 Court = uncertain outcomes
 Financial Agreements = eliminate uncertainty
 BUT how do you say “I love you…now sign here” – a whole
other discussion

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"He's never going to leave me..." and other myths - RKWN event - Wednesday 3 August 2016

  • 1. “He’s never going to leave me….” and other myths Caroline Counsel Counsel Family Lawyers Better Families Brighter Futures
  • 2. How does love go from this:
  • 5. Fact 1: Not All Marriages Last!  Divorce rate – ever increasing: varies but approx 50%  Higher for second relationships/marriages  Couples have different assets/liabilities at start  Couples have different financial profiles/risk profiles  Couples divide labour without a financial roadmap of termination in mind  But may make pragmatic choices
  • 6. Fact 2: Many Marriages Don’t Last Long
  • 7. Fact 2: Many Marriages Don’t Last Long  Median duration from marriage to divorce in 2014 was 12 years (in 2004 it was 12.3)  Median duration from marriage to separation in 2014 was 8.4 years (in 2004 it was 8.7)  Number of divorced Australians compared with 10 years ago  2.0 divorces per 1,000 estimated resident population in 2014.  Since 1980, divorce rates have steadily declined from 2.7 in 1980, to 2.0 in 2014 (backlog post FLA cleared)  In 2014, 47% of all divorces involved children under 18
  • 8. SOME STATISTICS TO NOTE:  Age period highest divorce rate in:  Men – median age – 44.8 (in 2013) – Highest period = 25-29 years (18.2 per 1,000 married population) (2013 data)  Women – median age - 42.2 (in 2013) - Highest period = under 25 (20.8 per 1,000 married population) (2013 data)  Divorce Rate + for second relationships  Difficult to find, 2007 ABS analysis of concluded that of all marriages entered into in 2000-2002, 33% would end in divorce.  Sydney Morning Herald reporting as 60% for second marriages
  • 9. Fact No 3: Many reasons for breakdown
  • 11. And sadly and significantly:
  • 12. Fact 4: Significant financial consequences  We don’t assess where relationships are going – romantically, emotionally or financially  We don’t know the risks and exposure  Separation - unilateral decision – no control  Separation -biggest single threat to personal and business wealth base  De facto relationships do not escape financial consequences
  • 13. Fact 4:Cont’d  Family Law Act: Broad definition of assets  There is no “mine” or “his”  Court decides how to regard legal ownership or financial contribution  Superannuation = Property  Court has a broad discretion- sell, divide, ignoring preferences  Court can order maintenance: lump sum: from assets  Other party can acquire an interest for no direct financial effort
  • 14. Emerging and unimagined consequences
  • 15. Fact 5: Not all loans are loans  Due to house prices, couples rely on parents  Parents loan/gift money  Loan may be considered a gift by the Family Court  In short, Court decides how to regard parents contributions  Court can ignore written agreements between parents and adult children  Can have a Financial Agreement between couple and third parties ie parents
  • 16. Fact 6: Court delays and legal costs  Litigation is expensive  Family Courts are unpopular  If Pauline Hanson is listened to, no Courts and if Federal Govt believes Family Courts are a hot potato  Then even less money for Courts, longer delays, more frustration for clients, justice denied
  • 17. Benefits of a Financial Agreement  Can avoid Court  Can assist reduce legal costs  Can minimise dispute after separation  Can’t avoid division of the asset pool so may as well limit fall out  Curtails the angst during relationship if it’s well drafted as a “set and forget” agreement  Can protect “parent loans” if parties to F.A.
  • 18. Benefits of a Financial Agreement  A Financial Agreement can close the door of Court  Financial Agreement = a fraction of the cost of Court dispute  A Financial Agreement at the start can assist a couple, particularly second relationship, focus  Can provide for children of first marriages- estate planning
  • 19. Benefits of a Financial Agreement  Will help clients assess goals,  May help highlight financial incompatibility  Can lead to getting financial planning advice  Can lead to greater financial scrutiny as a couple
  • 20. FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS – WHEN?  Financial Agreement - quarantine business/personal assets from the beginning  Clients can enter into before/during marriage – after separation or after divorce  If prior must enter well before wedding day  Advisable to negotiate post separation if close to that date  Cannot be used to defeat creditors – cannot be a fraud on a creditor
  • 21. FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS – WHY?  If clients have assets of any significance  Financial Agreement: excludes property/maintenance sections of FLA  Assets acquired during marriage can be dealt with ahead of time – eliminates angst of “what if…”  Court orders only deal with property – cannot finalise maintenance  A Financial Agreement can shut the door of Court
  • 22. FINANCIAL AGREEMENTS  Pre determines who gets what on separation  Can be used as part of a suite of estate planning documents  Can agree as to what happens to inheritances and gifts  Can deal with who gets what re superannuation  Is the client better off under the Family Law Act?  Need to assess what rights the client is giving up before entering into a Financial Agreement
  • 23. Benefits of Financial Agreements  Court = uncertain outcomes  Financial Agreements = eliminate uncertainty  BUT how do you say “I love you…now sign here” – a whole other discussion