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Dealing With
The Nightmare Employee:
Two Case Studies
Kelly Schoening, Esq. Kevin F. Hoskins, Esq.
kschoening@dbllaw.com khoskins@dbllaw.com
513-357-5284 513-639-7671
Dressman Benzinger LaVelle psc
Social Media Nightmare
Case Study from Youtube
Look at employee’s side of the story and
determine where company went wrong.
Her side of the story:
What Legal Issues Does Jenny Raise?
1.Sexual Harassment
2.Social Media
3.Internet Use
4.NLRA
What Can the Employer Do?
 Can Spencer stop her?
 Can he demand that YouTube take this down?
 Does Spencer seem to be in trouble?
Spencer’s side of the story:
What Problems is Jenny Facing?
 Violation of non-compete? (injunction, attorney
fees)
 Violation of non-disparagement?
 Violation of social media policy?
 Contract changes everything.
 Jenny needs to remove the video link.
Where Company Still Went Wrong
 Responding to her via YouTube may not be
smartest move.
 Called her names and was degrading.
 Should have handled it outside of YouTube.
 Harder now to have YouTube remove her post.
Social Media Policy
 Have a policy.
 Keep it current-law changes fast.
 Can prohibit posting that is harassing, abusive,
vulgar, or threatening.
 Cannot prohibit employee from saying “bad”
things about the company.
Social Media Policies
 The National Labor Relations Act applies to all
employers.
 Employees have a legal right to express
workplace concerns.
Second Case Study - FACTS
 10 year employee – good evaluations and raises each
year.
 New manager one year ago.
 Not performing well per new manager.
 Counseling and performance improvement plan.
 Prior to next counseling employee meets with manager’s
boss and:
 alleges hostile work environment
 submits FMLA paperwork due to job related stress
 alleges improper billing by new manager
 complains of answering emails at home and not being paid
Legal Issues
 Harassment
 Discrimination
 FMLA
 ADA
 Whistleblower
 Retaliation
What Should HR Do?
Toxic Employee is Setting Up the Company
 Obtain written complaint.
 Detail: who, when, what.
 Management must address the issues.
 Investigate and take notes (facts only)
 Failure to address the issue makes it hard to defend
 Follow-up with employee 2-4 weeks later.
 Have you trained managers and supervisors to
recognize the warning signs? (This is usually where the
ball gets dropped.)
 Ignoring the complaint is not an option.
FMLA
 Grant leave if paperwork has been completed.
 Really is no choice.
 Be sure you are in compliance with FMLA
regulations.
 Send appropriate notices.
 Job protected leave.
FLSA
 Answering emails on “own” time is compensable
working time.
 Hourly employees should not answer emails or
calls unless being paid.
 Recent case out of Illinois with police officers
awarded pay for answering e-mails on “non-
work” time.
Job Performance
 Review Supervisor’s notes – is PIP justified?
 Focus on job requirements.
 Toxic employees must still perform.
 Identify hidden messages from employee.
 Separate this from harassment issues.
 Avoid premature adverse action.
 Is employee being treated the same as other
employees?
 Give employee time to improve-it must “look” fair.
Retaliation
 Biggest risk for company.
 Employees should be reminded not to retaliate.
 Coach/train supervisors.
 Do not share complaints with anyone who does
not have a need to know.
Risk Assessment
 Everything you say and write can be used against you.
 Be mindful of tape recorders.
 Identify decision–makers.
 Identify potential comparators.
 Review all documentation.
 Review emails and texts.
 Tell employee the true reasons for counseling and/or
termination. Juries do not like deceit or “unfairness”.
Some Good Employee Quotes
Advice for Management
 Never give me work in the morning. Always wait until 4:00pm and then
bring it to me. The challenge of a deadline is refreshing.
 If it's really a "rush job", run in and interrupt me every 10 minutes to inquire
how it's going. That helps.
 Or even better, hover behind me, advising me at every keystroke.
 Always leave without telling anyone where you're going. It gives me a
chance to be creative when someone asks where you are.
 Wait until my yearly review and THEN tell me what my goals SHOULD have
been. Give me a mediocre performance rating with a cost of living increase.
I'm not here for the money anyway.
 If you give me more than one job to do, don't tell me which is the priority. I
like being a psychic.
Some Good Employee Quotes
Advice for Management
 Do your best to keep me late. I adore this office and really have nowhere to go or
anything to do. I have no life beyond work.
 If a job I do pleases you, keep it a secret. If that gets out, it could mean a promotion.
 If you don't like my work, tell everyone. I like my name to be popular in
conversations. I was born to be whipped.
 If you have special instructions for a job, don't write them down. In fact, save them
until the job is almost done. No use confusing me with useful information.
 Never introduce me to the people you're with. I have no right to know anything. In
the corporate food chain, I am plankton. When you refer to them later, my shrewd
deductions will identify them.
 Tell me all your little problems. No one else has any and it's nice to know someone is
less fortunate. I especially like the story about having to pay so much taxes on the
bonus check you received for being such a good manager.
THANK YOU!

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Employment Law - Dealing With Nightmare Employees

  • 1. Dealing With The Nightmare Employee: Two Case Studies Kelly Schoening, Esq. Kevin F. Hoskins, Esq. kschoening@dbllaw.com khoskins@dbllaw.com 513-357-5284 513-639-7671 Dressman Benzinger LaVelle psc
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  • 36. What Legal Issues Does Jenny Raise? 1.Sexual Harassment 2.Social Media 3.Internet Use 4.NLRA
  • 37. What Can the Employer Do?  Can Spencer stop her?  Can he demand that YouTube take this down?  Does Spencer seem to be in trouble?
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  • 74. What Problems is Jenny Facing?  Violation of non-compete? (injunction, attorney fees)  Violation of non-disparagement?  Violation of social media policy?  Contract changes everything.  Jenny needs to remove the video link.
  • 75. Where Company Still Went Wrong  Responding to her via YouTube may not be smartest move.  Called her names and was degrading.  Should have handled it outside of YouTube.  Harder now to have YouTube remove her post.
  • 76. Social Media Policy  Have a policy.  Keep it current-law changes fast.  Can prohibit posting that is harassing, abusive, vulgar, or threatening.  Cannot prohibit employee from saying “bad” things about the company.
  • 77. Social Media Policies  The National Labor Relations Act applies to all employers.  Employees have a legal right to express workplace concerns.
  • 78. Second Case Study - FACTS  10 year employee – good evaluations and raises each year.  New manager one year ago.  Not performing well per new manager.  Counseling and performance improvement plan.  Prior to next counseling employee meets with manager’s boss and:  alleges hostile work environment  submits FMLA paperwork due to job related stress  alleges improper billing by new manager  complains of answering emails at home and not being paid
  • 79. Legal Issues  Harassment  Discrimination  FMLA  ADA  Whistleblower  Retaliation
  • 80. What Should HR Do? Toxic Employee is Setting Up the Company  Obtain written complaint.  Detail: who, when, what.  Management must address the issues.  Investigate and take notes (facts only)  Failure to address the issue makes it hard to defend  Follow-up with employee 2-4 weeks later.  Have you trained managers and supervisors to recognize the warning signs? (This is usually where the ball gets dropped.)  Ignoring the complaint is not an option.
  • 81. FMLA  Grant leave if paperwork has been completed.  Really is no choice.  Be sure you are in compliance with FMLA regulations.  Send appropriate notices.  Job protected leave.
  • 82. FLSA  Answering emails on “own” time is compensable working time.  Hourly employees should not answer emails or calls unless being paid.  Recent case out of Illinois with police officers awarded pay for answering e-mails on “non- work” time.
  • 83. Job Performance  Review Supervisor’s notes – is PIP justified?  Focus on job requirements.  Toxic employees must still perform.  Identify hidden messages from employee.  Separate this from harassment issues.  Avoid premature adverse action.  Is employee being treated the same as other employees?  Give employee time to improve-it must “look” fair.
  • 84. Retaliation  Biggest risk for company.  Employees should be reminded not to retaliate.  Coach/train supervisors.  Do not share complaints with anyone who does not have a need to know.
  • 85. Risk Assessment  Everything you say and write can be used against you.  Be mindful of tape recorders.  Identify decision–makers.  Identify potential comparators.  Review all documentation.  Review emails and texts.  Tell employee the true reasons for counseling and/or termination. Juries do not like deceit or “unfairness”.
  • 86. Some Good Employee Quotes Advice for Management  Never give me work in the morning. Always wait until 4:00pm and then bring it to me. The challenge of a deadline is refreshing.  If it's really a "rush job", run in and interrupt me every 10 minutes to inquire how it's going. That helps.  Or even better, hover behind me, advising me at every keystroke.  Always leave without telling anyone where you're going. It gives me a chance to be creative when someone asks where you are.  Wait until my yearly review and THEN tell me what my goals SHOULD have been. Give me a mediocre performance rating with a cost of living increase. I'm not here for the money anyway.  If you give me more than one job to do, don't tell me which is the priority. I like being a psychic.
  • 87. Some Good Employee Quotes Advice for Management  Do your best to keep me late. I adore this office and really have nowhere to go or anything to do. I have no life beyond work.  If a job I do pleases you, keep it a secret. If that gets out, it could mean a promotion.  If you don't like my work, tell everyone. I like my name to be popular in conversations. I was born to be whipped.  If you have special instructions for a job, don't write them down. In fact, save them until the job is almost done. No use confusing me with useful information.  Never introduce me to the people you're with. I have no right to know anything. In the corporate food chain, I am plankton. When you refer to them later, my shrewd deductions will identify them.  Tell me all your little problems. No one else has any and it's nice to know someone is less fortunate. I especially like the story about having to pay so much taxes on the bonus check you received for being such a good manager.