10. The Iron and the Clay
This is not mentioning 10 countries
• “The mingling of church-craft and state-craft is
represented by the iron and the clay.”
SDA Bible Com.#4 p.1168, 9
• The fall of the Western Roman Empire was in 476. In
508, 32 years later the unity of the Catholic Church and
State brought about the abomination of desolation. In
538, or another 30 years later, the Church is well
established in the political arena which continues for 1260
years.
• The Church (Papacy) ruled Europe for 1260 years. The
breakup started with Martin Luther, the Protestant
Reformation.
• The mingling of Church and State was at the prophetic
time allotted to it. (See Daniel 11:31 – they) (508)
12. Daniel 2:41
• Daniel 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the
feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part
of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but
there shall be in it of the strength of the
iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron
mixed with miry clay.
• Rome continues in another phase.
14. A Bible Verse To Remember
• Job 11:6 “And that he would show thee the
secrets of wisdom, that they are double to
that which is…..
• In some instances there are double
applications
15. How the Empire was divided
• At the death of Emperor Theodosius in 395 The
Empire was divided between his two sons.
• 1. 18 year old son Arcadius ruled in the East
(Constantinople, today called Istanbul)
• 2. 11 year old son Honorius ruled in the West
• ( Rome)
• “Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire” by
Edward Gibbon, Vol. 2, pgs 71 & 91.
16. Dividing The Empire
• If you divide something how many parts do you
have? { 2 }
• Is it proper to divide the Empire and not take into
consideration both parts?
• You divide the Roman Empire
– The Western Roman Empire
– The Eastern Roman Empire
– They are both part of the Roman Empire
17.
18.
19.
20. The Western Empire divided
within itself
The Western Roman Empire was divided
into the ten countries of Europe by the
year of 476 A.D.
The Western Roman Empire / after the
division
From 395 to 476 = only lasted 81 years
21. The Western Roman Empire
• The Ten Horns
• 1. Suevi • 6. Ostrogoths
• 2. Visigoths • 7. Lombards
• 3. Vandals • 8. Franks
• 4. Alamanni • 9. Anglo – Saxons
• 5. Burgundians • 10. Heruli
•
• 538 - 1798
• In the days of these kings the God of
• Heaven shall set up a Kingdom which shall
• never be destroyed
22. The Western Roman Empire
• The division of the Western Roman Empire into
the ten countries of Europe was in 476 A.D.
• Dan.2:44 “In the days of these kings – the God of
heaven sets up a kingdom.
• The time of the setting up of God’s Kingdom
does not have much relevancy seeing that was
over 1500 years ago.
• 2010 – 476 = 1534 years and counting
• Is there something else that we have overlooked?
23. Note Daniel 2:41,42 Once Again
• Verse 41, 42 “the kingdom shall be divided; but there
shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as
thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And [as] the
toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so]
the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
• Note, the strength doesn’t go away in 395 when the
kingdom was divided.
• The Western Roman Empire continues until 476
• The Eastern Roman Empire continues until 1449
• Here is the fulfilling of the prophecy, partly strong and
partly broken. We are living in the time of the toes.
24. Daniel 2:41
“The Kingdom shall be divided”
• The Kingdom was divided in 395
• The Western Roman Empire
• The Eastern Roman Empire
• You have to see this division
• Revelation 8 is the downfall of Western
Roman Empire
• Revelation 9 is the downfall of Eastern
Roman Empire
25. The Eastern Roman Empire was
already divided into countries
• The Ten Horns of the Eastern Roman Empire
• 1. Greece 6. Egypt
• 2. Galatia 7. Nabateanos
• 3. Asia Minor 8. Armenia
• 4. Libya 9. Macedonia
• 5. Syria 10. Thracia
• There were other countries also. one gone – Israel. These countries
were all in the Empire before and after it was divided.
• Its not the time when the Eastern or the Western Empires were further
divided that is important but rather when the Roman Empire itself was
divided. That was in 395 that fulfilled the prophecy.
26. Daniel 2
The Western Roman Empire was divided
into the ten countries of Europe by the
year of 476 A.D.
This was a further breakdown of the Empire.
Western Roman Empire from 395 to 476= 81
years only.
27. The Contrast Of The Two Empires
• The Eastern Empire continued
• The Western Empire decreased and divided
• The Eastern Empire spoke the Greek language
• The Western Empire spoke the Latin language
(Latin is the root for all the languages of the
countries of Europe)
• The Eastern Empire = Eastern Orthodox Church
• The Western Empire = Roman Catholic Church
28. The Rise and Fall of the Papal
Roman Empire
• The 1290 year prophecy
508 – 1798
In the days of these kings
29. Revelation 9: 1
THE EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE
• 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a
star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him
was given the key of the bottomless pit.
• 9:5 And to them it was given that they should
not kill them, but that they should be tormented
five months:
30. The 5th Angel or 5th Trumpet
• The fifth angel sounded
• Ottoman Empire - Muslims from Euphrates
area
• Attacked Byzantine Empire July 27, 1299
• Byzantine – Constantinople – Istanbul
• V. 5 & 10 Five months = 150 days
• 150 days = 150 years = 1449
31. The Greek Empire
• Byzantine attacked July 27, 1299
• 150
• City of Byzantine fell 1449
•
32. Daniel 2
• Unless you have the division of the Roman
Empire as predicted in Daniel 2, into the Western
Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire,
the historical interpretation of Revelation 8 & 9
has no foundation or relevancy.
• This subject of Daniel 2 continues in Revelation
as the downfall of the Eastern Roman Empire
(1449) begins the 6th Trumpet and is the ending of
the first of the three woes.
• Hebrews 6:1
33. Daniel 2
• The Eastern Roman Empire had its
downfall in 1449 {over 1000 years later}
by the Ottoman Empire, known for its
Muslim faith.
• The downfall was all predicted in
Revelation 9.
• The Eastern Roman Empire was from 395
to 1449 or lasted for 1054 years.
34.
35. Revelation 9 predicts downfall of two Eastern
Empires, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires
11. in 1299 the Byzantine Empire {Eastern Roman Empire} was
besieged and started to crumble. (5 months – verses 5&10)
12. Greek language was their language of the Eastern Roman Empire
and contained Christian literature and Bibles in the original Greek
language.
13. When the people fled because of the war they went west toward
Europe.
14. Western Europe had been controlled by the Papacy and their
religious literature in Europe was stalemated in the dead Latin language
and their manuscripts of the Bible were in Latin and had been much
corrupted.
Latin is the language of the Vatican or the Papacy
15. Thousands of Greek manuscripts were secured by the learning
centers of Europe including the Greek Bibles.
16. With this new literature and the Bible in Greek, Europe awoke as from
36. 4 of the 7 Trumpets of Revelation
are in Rev. 8
• Rev. 8: 7 – 12 Four trumpets reveal the phases of
the downfall of the Western Roman Empire
• Rev. 8:13 reveals three woes that are to come
• Rev. 9:12 First woe concludes with the downfall
of the Eastern Roman Empire – July 27, 1449
• Second woe concludes with the close of probation
Rev. 11:14
• The third woe consist of the seven last plagues
and this time is also known as the time of the
seventh trumpet (see Rev. 11:15 to 19)
37. Revelation 9
• The historical interpretation gives the
downfall of the Eastern Roman Empire
• July 27, 1449.
• Revelation 9:15 gives the downfall of
Turkey (Ottoman Empire) at August 11,
1840
• {See G. C. 334} Exact prophecy
38. The Josiah Litch Prophecy
Revelation 9
The attack on the Byzantine Empire - July 27, 1299
Verse 5 & 10 Five months tormented
Day = year in prophecy 5 months = 150 days or 150 years.
1299
150
July 2 7, 1449
The fall of the Byzantine Empire or the Eastern Roman
Empire
WRE 476 - ERE 1449
39. The Josiah Litch Prophecy
• The Ottoman Empire overthrows the Byzantine Empire on July
27, 1449 (by consent) (1453 Mehmet ll takes Constantinople)
• The second woe (v. 12) commences at the same time.
• All wars from 1449 until today are under the second woe and the
sixth trumpet
• The sixth Trumpet starts at the same time v. 13 or at July 27,
1449.
• The Ottoman Empire is loosed for a prophetic time. Verse 15
• Year 360 days or 360 years.
• Month 30 days or 30 years
• Day 1 day 1 year
• 391 TO BE ADDED TO 1449
40. The Josiah Litch Prophecy
• The 1449 date - Beginning of the Ottoman Empire
• Add 391 years from prophetic time found in verse 15
• 1840 July 27
• Then you add 1 hour
• One hour is 124th of a prophetic day
• Thus a day equals a year in prophecy or 360 days
• You divide 360 days by 24 and you get 15 days
• To the date 1840 and July 27 you add 15 days and you have
• August 11, 1840
• This was the date given by Josiah Litch for the fall of the Ottoman
Empire, two years in advance. The historical event happened on
that exact day!
41. Great Controversy page 334
In the year 1840, another remarkable fulfillment of prophecy excited
widespread interest. Two years before, Josiah Litch, one of the leading
ministers preaching the second advent, published an exposition of
Revelation 9, predicting the fall of the Ottoman empire, and specifying
not only the year but the very day on which this would take place.
According to this exposition, which was purely a matter of calculation
on the prophetic periods of Scripture, the Turkish government would
surrender its independence on the eleventh day of August, 1840. The
prediction was widely published, and thousands watched the course of
events with eager interest. {GC88 334.4}
42. Great Controversy page 334
At the very time specified, Turkey, through her ambassadors,
accepted the protection of the allied powers of Europe, and thus
placed herself under the control of Christian nations. The event
exactly fulfilled the prediction. When it became known,
multitudes were convinced of the correctness of the principles of
prophetic interpretation adopted by Miller and his associates, and
a wonderful impetus was given to the Advent movement. Men of
learning and position united with Miller, both in preaching and
publishing his views, and from 1840 to 1844 the work rapidly
extended. {GC88 334.5
43. Enlightenment
Under the 6th Trumpet
1. The dark ages receded as light floods across Europe
2. At the same time Columbus discovers America
3. 3. Erasmus printed the Greek New Testament for all Europe
4. 4. Luther assailed the corruption’s of the Latin Roman Catholic Church and
their indulgences.
a 5. Brought forth the Bible in the German language
5. 6. Revival and learning and the Reformation followed swiftly.
6. 7. Thus the biblical revealed date of 1449 as the fall of the Byzantine Empire
was the death knoll of the Dark Ages.
8. All this enlightenment paved the way for the next date found in
Revelation 9:15 which also amazes the entire Christian world when the
Turkish Empire fell on August 11, 1840.
9. At that time (1840) the Advent movement was sweeping the world with a
Judgment hour message.
44. The Advent Time Prophecy
This showed the world that the Advent movement had a
knowledge of the book of Revelation and that they better take
cogence to the other teaching they were preaching.
We see immediately that the former paved the way for the latter.
Thus we also see that the importance in not the fall of the
Empires
as much as is the events that are transpiring at the same time.
All this paves the way to the Advent Movement in its heyday in
1840. The Christian world was startled with the August 11, 1840
prophecy. This is awesome material!!!
45. The Advent Time Prophecy
• At this time frame we have:
• 1. The rise of the United States as a nation 1776
• 2.. The deadly wound of the Papacy in 1798
• 3. The Advent movement with the great time prophecy and all its
related teachings rising as His Remnant movement. 1844
• 4. The French Revolution 1793
• 5. The rise of Democratic governments - Kings fade from
governments
• 6. Thus an obscure chapter in the Bible becomes alive and vibrant
with a spiritual application and confirmation that God is leading
His Church and showing them the way.
46. The Greek Bible
• The language of the Eastern Roman Empire was
Greek. The New Testament Bible was written in
Greek.
• The language of the Bible in the Western Roman
Empire, Catholic, was Latin.
Old Testament Hebrew Bible has 39 books
Catholic Bible, Latin, 46 books + 2 extra chapters
• in the book of Daniel.
47. The King James Version
• As the Eastern Roman Empire started to decline
into the hands of those of the Muslim faith in the
1400s, many Christians fled to the west or to
Europe.
• They took their Greek Bibles with them. Thus
there were many Greek Bibles in Europe and this
was the source for the King James Version about
one hundred years later.
• The Geneva Bible 1555
48. What is on the other side of
Revelation 9:15
• 1. Is the Muslim army of 200,000,000 before
August 11, 1840 or is it after?
• 2. Does the insurgence of Muslim power today
enter into the Middle East situation for end time
events?
• 3. Do you see any handwriting on the wall
regarding the Muslim faith verses the Christian
faith, at the present time?
• What are world events telling us today?
49. In the days of these kings
• 4. There are 25 Arabic counties with a population
between 750 million to one billion
• 5. Will the conflict that has already started
between Islam and Christianity continue, seeing
that Islam is militant by nature and wants the land
of Israel?
• 6.Why does our foreign policy protect Israel?
• 7. Certainly the Devil will not let this false
religion with nearly a billion people lay dominant
as we near the end.
50. Will the Muslim Faith play a role in
last day events?
• Will the Muslims be a scourge to
Babylonian Christianity?
51. A New Look At Daniel 2
• Daniel 2:43 “They shall not cleave one to another.”
• The two Roman Empires have not been put back together
• Neither have any of the countries in either Empire been put back
together (Europe is now 32 countries)
No new world Empire is to emerge. They shall not cleave one to
another
• Verse 44 “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven
set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed.”
• In these days, sometime during the second woe and the sixth
trumpet, the God of heaven is setting up His Kingdom.
• When the seventh trumpet sounds probationary time closes
59. Our Next Study
• The continuance of Revelation 8 after the fall of the:
• Western Roman Empire in 476
• Establishment of Catholicism, Spiritual in 508
• Establishment of Political Catholicism 538
• Pope becomes king in 756
• Loses political power in 1798
• Loses kingship in 1870
• Re-establishes political power in 1929
• Plus + + + +
• All this and haven’t touched Daniel 7,8 and 9
