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FATE IN THE
ILIAD
Red figure pot, Rape of Cassandra 430
B.C.

A PHILOSOPHICAL OR LITERARY DEVICE?
AIMS AND OBJECTIVES
Aims:
To develop themes of fate in the Iliad.
Objectives:
1.
2.
3.
4.

Students will discuss the nature of fate.
Students will evaluate Homers use of fate in the Iliad.
Students will identify key passages & quotes to illustrate their opinions.
Students will discuss the exam questions from a past paper.
AN EXAM QUESTION TO CONSIDER:
• In the Iliad fate makes all the actions of
mortal and immortal characters pointless.
Discuss.
WHAT IS FATE?

• What is your definition of fate?
• Do you believe in fate?
• Can fate and freewill co-exist?
• Can fate and morality co-exist?
• If fate can be altered is it still fate?
• Zeus and
Hera,
Renaissance
statue.
FATE IN MYTHOLOGY
• In theory everyone believed that your fate was
controlled by the three weavers called ‘the fates’.
• You died when your thread was cut.
• You had an allotted fate and could not exceed it.
• Gods are bound by fate with the exception of Zeus
whose relationship is more complicated.
ZEUS AND FATE
• Book 4 lines 8-19 suggest Troy’s fate is not fixed.
• Zeus is goading his wife but if fate is totally fixed why
does it have an effect?
• Is this a literary device to create tension?
• If Zeus had made peace what other ‘fates’ would
have been broken?
• The Death of
Sarpedon, Red
Figure pot 550
B.C. by
Euphronius
ZEUS AND FATE 2
1. Zeus won’t intervene to protect his own son,
Sarpedon.
2. In Book 15 lines 62-70 Sarpedon’s fate is fixed.
3. However in Book 16 lines 434 – 440 Zeus debates
saving his life.
4. Zeus never actually changes a prophesised fate.
SOME KEY POINT IN BOOKS 1-6
• Zeus and Thetis Book 1 lines 522 – 528.
• The Greeks almost go home Book 2 line 156.
• Athene enforces fate Book 5 line 673.
• Hector and fate Book 6 lines 487- 494.
Find other 2 other examples in the text that you think
would help you answer the exam question.
SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON FATE
IN HOMER

• Fate is immutable but we can choose how we met it.
• Zeus has the power to change fate but is aware that
the consequences are not worth it.
• Mortals always seem to act as if their fate can be
changed.
• There is no consistent depiction of fate.

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Fate in the iliad

  • 1. FATE IN THE ILIAD Red figure pot, Rape of Cassandra 430 B.C. A PHILOSOPHICAL OR LITERARY DEVICE?
  • 2. AIMS AND OBJECTIVES Aims: To develop themes of fate in the Iliad. Objectives: 1. 2. 3. 4. Students will discuss the nature of fate. Students will evaluate Homers use of fate in the Iliad. Students will identify key passages & quotes to illustrate their opinions. Students will discuss the exam questions from a past paper.
  • 3. AN EXAM QUESTION TO CONSIDER: • In the Iliad fate makes all the actions of mortal and immortal characters pointless. Discuss.
  • 4. WHAT IS FATE? • What is your definition of fate? • Do you believe in fate? • Can fate and freewill co-exist? • Can fate and morality co-exist? • If fate can be altered is it still fate?
  • 6. FATE IN MYTHOLOGY • In theory everyone believed that your fate was controlled by the three weavers called ‘the fates’. • You died when your thread was cut. • You had an allotted fate and could not exceed it. • Gods are bound by fate with the exception of Zeus whose relationship is more complicated.
  • 7. ZEUS AND FATE • Book 4 lines 8-19 suggest Troy’s fate is not fixed. • Zeus is goading his wife but if fate is totally fixed why does it have an effect? • Is this a literary device to create tension? • If Zeus had made peace what other ‘fates’ would have been broken?
  • 8. • The Death of Sarpedon, Red Figure pot 550 B.C. by Euphronius
  • 9. ZEUS AND FATE 2 1. Zeus won’t intervene to protect his own son, Sarpedon. 2. In Book 15 lines 62-70 Sarpedon’s fate is fixed. 3. However in Book 16 lines 434 – 440 Zeus debates saving his life. 4. Zeus never actually changes a prophesised fate.
  • 10. SOME KEY POINT IN BOOKS 1-6 • Zeus and Thetis Book 1 lines 522 – 528. • The Greeks almost go home Book 2 line 156. • Athene enforces fate Book 5 line 673. • Hector and fate Book 6 lines 487- 494. Find other 2 other examples in the text that you think would help you answer the exam question.
  • 11. SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON FATE IN HOMER • Fate is immutable but we can choose how we met it. • Zeus has the power to change fate but is aware that the consequences are not worth it. • Mortals always seem to act as if their fate can be changed. • There is no consistent depiction of fate.