This is my slide deck from a 2005 workshop that CALI coordinated about distance learning in legal education. The issues at the www.wgdlle.org meeting are quite similar 10 years ago.

1. Lowering the
Barriers to
Inter-institutional
Distance Legal
Education

2. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

3. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

4. What is Distance Legal Education?
• Obvious
– Videoconference Courses
– Web courses
– Media by Mail
• Less Obvious
– Co-teaching
– Guest lecturers
– Partial DLE
– DLE “pieces”
• “Outside the Box”
– LE for non-lawyers (for profit?)
– LE for the public (public service)
– Expanding Int’l opportunities

5. What is Distance Legal Education?
• Synchronous
– Videoconferencing
– Webcast
– Chat
– Conference call
• Asynchronous
– Web-based materials
– Lessons
– Discussion (threaded, email, etc.)
– Offline Access
Course Design
Technology
Staffing
Costs
Scalability
Re-use

6. Why is DLE Interesting?
• Learning anytime, anywhere
• Student-centered learning
model
• Attuned to Net-Gen students
• Attract or serve previously un-
servable students
• Co-optition (cooperate & compete)
• New Markets/Revenue
• …most important

7. Why is DLE Interesting?
REQUIRES FACULTY
AND INSTITUTIONS TO
EXAMINE THE
LEARNING PROCESS
TO

8. …but, does Legal Education need
to improve?
• Too expensive
• Grads not ready for
practice
• Faculty emphasize
scholarship - teaching
excellence is not rewarded
• Other issues?
want

9. Law is more important than ever
• Law is more ubiquitous than ever
• Law is non-violent war
• Law is friction to business
• Law is codified morality
• Law is advocacy’s sharpest tool
• Law practice is legal education for clients
• …in short…
EVERYONE should be a lawyer!

10. Law is more important than ever
• We didn’t use to question
our doctors…
• We didn’t use to know so
much about computers
• “Legal Literacy” is the
next big global/societal
literacy wave

11. Why is DLE Interesting?

12. DLE as a Marketing Defense
• Online law schools succeeding
• There are new for-profit law
schools in the US that challenge
the traditional model of LE
• Legal education industry in bar
reviews and supplemental
materials
• Huge unmet demand for legal
assistance
• Huge increases in SRLs and
greater demand for A2J

13. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

14. DLE Case Study:
Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU

15. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

17. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

18. DLE Case Study:
Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS

19. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

20. What’s going on at Your Law
School?

21. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

23. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

24. Barriers to DLE
• Institutional Interest
• Aversion to Pioneering
• Technical challenges
• Finding the markets
• Administrivia
• Quality
• Others?

25. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

27. • Address N x M Problem
• Web services, tools,
databases, surveys, etc.
• Training – maybe
• Bring to surface scattered
interest
• Don’t have to start from
scratch
• Applied Research
Lowering the Barriers

28. • Observe
• Report
• Disseminate
• Facilitate
• Innovate

29. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

30. Progress Report
• 48 members
• http://codec.cali.org
• Presentations at 6 schools
• Japan and Europe
• Peter Martin’s DE on DLE
• Videoconferencing Survey
• Grades and Calendars
• Classifieds
• ClassCaster
Notre Dame
Boston College
Rutgers-Newark
Rutgers-Camden
Chicago-Kent
U Washington

31. Videoconferencing Survey
• 77 Responders
• October 2004
• 22% do not use VC
• 17% use university computing or
media services for VC
• 25% have NO VC facilities at
law school
• 39% have roll-around units
• 25% have perm-installed
seminar room for VC

32. Videoconferencing Survey
• 49% used VC for guest lecturers
• 40% have used VC for a
semester-length course
• 41% conducted NO course
related VC in FY03-04
• 11% conducted several/week
course-related VC sessions
• 34% used VC for student
interviews

33. Grades and Calendars

34. Classifieds

35. ClassCaster
• 20% own MP3 players (under 30)
• PodCasting = automatic
download (like a mailing list)
• Classroom + Podcasting =
ClassCasting

36. 2. In class, play back the interview
1. Outside of class, call your
interviewee and conference in
ClassCaster
ClassCaster
3. After class, students can listen to the
interview via the web or download to their
MP3player

37. 1. Register at CALI website
2. When class starts,
Make a phone call
3. Teach the class
4. Students download to their
iPod or listen to the lecture
via the web.
5. Faculty downloads and edits
For future classes, distance
learning, etc.

38. =

39. Audio Legal Education Ideas
• Pre-recorded interviews with attorneys
in current events cases
• “Phone in” lectures instead of
canceling class
• Audio exam reviews
• Director Commentary on Law Review
Articles
• CALI Lecturettes
– Difficult concepts in <?>
– Foundations of <?>
– “This will be on the exam”

40. Agenda
• Welcome, Dean Richard Matasar, NYLS
• What is DL and Why is it interesting to law schools?
• DLE Case Study: Professor Ellen Podgor, GSU
• Break
• DLE Case Study: Professor Michael Perlin, NYLS
• Attendee Testimonials
• Break
• If DLE is the Answer, What are the Questions?
– What are the Barriers?
– How can we lower them?
– CODEC Progress Report
– SWOT Exercise
• Closing Remarks

41. SWOT
Strengths:
• What are DLE/CODEC’s advantages?
• What can DLE/CODEC do well?
• What do other people see as DLE/CODEC’s strengths?
Weaknesses:
• What could DLE/CODEC improve?
• What does DLE/CODEC do badly?
• What should DLE/CODEC avoid?
Opportunities:
• Where are the good opportunities for DLE/CODEC?
• What are the interesting trends for DLE/CODEC?
Threats
• What obstacles does DLE/CODEC face?
• What is the competition doing?
• Are the required specifications for CODEC or DLE
changing?
• Is changing technology threatening DLE/CODEC?

43. Lowering the
Barriers to
Inter-institutional
Distance Legal
Education CLOSING REMARKS