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Investment BankingTechnical Interview Workshop Tuesday, January 19, 2010 Presented by: Justine Erickson With contributions by Jessica Delfino, Mike Hudgin & Ekaterina Petrovitch
Introduction Justine Erickson Investment Banking Full-Time Analyst RBC Capital Markets, Toronto justine.erickson@mail.mcgill.ca
Agenda Interview Format Valuation DCF Public Comparables Precedent Transactions Sample Technical Questions The Infamous Accounting Question General Interviewing Tips
Deutsche Bank’s Interview Tips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CsL1rcENH0
Interview Format ,[object Object]
30-45 minutes
Behavioural and lots of technical
One to six interviewers
Second Round
3-4 hours
Expect even more technical (reactions under fatigue/pressure)
One, two, or panel interviewers,[object Object]
Three General Ways to Value a Company: Discounted Cash Flow Public Comparables Analysis (Relative Valuation) Precedent Transaction Multiples For each method, interviewees should address: Basic overview (why this method is used) How it’s practically used (mechanics) Pros & cons of method
DCF – Overview DCF is the method of valuation that allows for the most flexibility (and possibly precision) in coming up with the intrinsic value of a firm The DCF method that we use is FCFF (you might know it as WACC method, but refrain from calling it this…)  Mapped on many assumptions Based on future expectations of a firm’s cash flows (numerator), and the risks associated with those cash flows (denominator)
DCF – Basic Steps First determine WACC = D/V * Rd (1-T) + E/V * Re Effect of capital structure Use target (optimal) D/E ratio Re , Beta  CAPM Rd (1-T)  discuss importance of tax shield Mechanics of FCFF  FCFF = EBIT(1-T) – CAPEX + NCC +- Δ NWC Explain that CAPEX and NWC are all cash sources/uses that don’t affect EBIT, therefore we must adjust.  Analyze historical performance to come up with future set of assumptions (COGS, SG&A, R&D, “DEP”, “CAPEX”, “NWC” as a % sales) Therefore, we need to use revenue as a driver, and determine its growth from year to year during our explicit forecast period (5-10 yrs)
DCF – Basic Steps (cont’d) Determine FCFF’s each year using assumptions driven off of revenue Determine TV at last year of forecast period 2 methods Growing perpetuity  Assumes constant growth rate (2-3%) – not really used Terminal multiple Assumes an exit multiple of an operating metric like EBITDA or FCFF, to determine a value for the enterprise at that point in time Bring everything back to present value at WACC
DCF – Basic Steps (cont’d) Now we have the value of the enterprise (Enterprise Value = Net Debt + Equity + Minority Interest) In order to determine Equity Value, we must first subtract Net Debt & Minority Interest At this point we have Equity Value  Divide by Shares Outstanding to obtain PPS Sensitivity analysis provides for flexibility in model WACC / Growth Rates / Terminal Multiples
DCF – Pros & Cons ,[object Object]
The model is only as good as your assumptions
Know sources of info used to develop assumptions
Allows for flexibility
Firm can improve margins over time - DCF models are usually optimistic
Industry outlook can change, and DCF model can reflect that,[object Object]
Relative Valuation – Basic Steps Determine the target company’s EPS, EBITDA, and Sales for current year and possibly forward year (using research analyst estimates)  Determine the set of comparable companies (comp universe) and their trading multiples Similar companies based on industry, size, business model, risk, capital structure – anything you can control for Separate lists if company is a conglomerate Multiply average industry multiple by current or forward performance of target company to determine the relative value of the firm
Relative Valuation – Pros & Cons ,[object Object]
Don’t have to make assumptions that are necessary for DCF
Not a gauge of intrinsic value
Reflects the market’s current opinions on value – average could be skewed based on company-specific factors, especially in this economic environment
Only values companies if they were valued the same way as their peers
Often difficult to find exact comparables
Can use sum-of-the-parts valuation for a diversified corporation, which is a weighted-average of each division under specific industry multiples,[object Object]
Precedent Transactions – Basic Steps  Find historical takeovers within industry  Again, look for similar transaction size, and most recent first Try to cover at least one economic cycle in terms of precedent transactions, as some takeover premiums might reflect a takeover boom in an industry Multiply relevant multiples (P/E, EV/EBITDA, EV/Sales, etc.) by company’s figure to obtain firm’s value in event of a takeover
Precedent Transactions – Pros & Cons  ,[object Object]
Reflects how much the company would be worth in the eyes of its industry peers

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Technical Interview Workshop

  • 1. Investment BankingTechnical Interview Workshop Tuesday, January 19, 2010 Presented by: Justine Erickson With contributions by Jessica Delfino, Mike Hudgin & Ekaterina Petrovitch
  • 2. Introduction Justine Erickson Investment Banking Full-Time Analyst RBC Capital Markets, Toronto justine.erickson@mail.mcgill.ca
  • 3. Agenda Interview Format Valuation DCF Public Comparables Precedent Transactions Sample Technical Questions The Infamous Accounting Question General Interviewing Tips
  • 4. Deutsche Bank’s Interview Tips http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CsL1rcENH0
  • 5.
  • 7. Behavioural and lots of technical
  • 8. One to six interviewers
  • 11. Expect even more technical (reactions under fatigue/pressure)
  • 12.
  • 13. Three General Ways to Value a Company: Discounted Cash Flow Public Comparables Analysis (Relative Valuation) Precedent Transaction Multiples For each method, interviewees should address: Basic overview (why this method is used) How it’s practically used (mechanics) Pros & cons of method
  • 14. DCF – Overview DCF is the method of valuation that allows for the most flexibility (and possibly precision) in coming up with the intrinsic value of a firm The DCF method that we use is FCFF (you might know it as WACC method, but refrain from calling it this…) Mapped on many assumptions Based on future expectations of a firm’s cash flows (numerator), and the risks associated with those cash flows (denominator)
  • 15. DCF – Basic Steps First determine WACC = D/V * Rd (1-T) + E/V * Re Effect of capital structure Use target (optimal) D/E ratio Re , Beta  CAPM Rd (1-T)  discuss importance of tax shield Mechanics of FCFF FCFF = EBIT(1-T) – CAPEX + NCC +- Δ NWC Explain that CAPEX and NWC are all cash sources/uses that don’t affect EBIT, therefore we must adjust. Analyze historical performance to come up with future set of assumptions (COGS, SG&A, R&D, “DEP”, “CAPEX”, “NWC” as a % sales) Therefore, we need to use revenue as a driver, and determine its growth from year to year during our explicit forecast period (5-10 yrs)
  • 16. DCF – Basic Steps (cont’d) Determine FCFF’s each year using assumptions driven off of revenue Determine TV at last year of forecast period 2 methods Growing perpetuity Assumes constant growth rate (2-3%) – not really used Terminal multiple Assumes an exit multiple of an operating metric like EBITDA or FCFF, to determine a value for the enterprise at that point in time Bring everything back to present value at WACC
  • 17. DCF – Basic Steps (cont’d) Now we have the value of the enterprise (Enterprise Value = Net Debt + Equity + Minority Interest) In order to determine Equity Value, we must first subtract Net Debt & Minority Interest At this point we have Equity Value Divide by Shares Outstanding to obtain PPS Sensitivity analysis provides for flexibility in model WACC / Growth Rates / Terminal Multiples
  • 18.
  • 19. The model is only as good as your assumptions
  • 20. Know sources of info used to develop assumptions
  • 22. Firm can improve margins over time - DCF models are usually optimistic
  • 23.
  • 24. Relative Valuation – Basic Steps Determine the target company’s EPS, EBITDA, and Sales for current year and possibly forward year (using research analyst estimates) Determine the set of comparable companies (comp universe) and their trading multiples Similar companies based on industry, size, business model, risk, capital structure – anything you can control for Separate lists if company is a conglomerate Multiply average industry multiple by current or forward performance of target company to determine the relative value of the firm
  • 25.
  • 26. Don’t have to make assumptions that are necessary for DCF
  • 27. Not a gauge of intrinsic value
  • 28. Reflects the market’s current opinions on value – average could be skewed based on company-specific factors, especially in this economic environment
  • 29. Only values companies if they were valued the same way as their peers
  • 30. Often difficult to find exact comparables
  • 31.
  • 32. Precedent Transactions – Basic Steps Find historical takeovers within industry Again, look for similar transaction size, and most recent first Try to cover at least one economic cycle in terms of precedent transactions, as some takeover premiums might reflect a takeover boom in an industry Multiply relevant multiples (P/E, EV/EBITDA, EV/Sales, etc.) by company’s figure to obtain firm’s value in event of a takeover
  • 33.
  • 34. Reflects how much the company would be worth in the eyes of its industry peers
  • 35. Often used when firm is selling off a division
  • 36. Only useful if firm will consider takeover
  • 37.
  • 38. Be prepared to discuss current events that you are following and able to respond to questions
  • 39. Case: Housing crisis in general
  • 41. Case: Drastic commodity price fluctuations
  • 42.
  • 43.
  • 44. Why can’t you use EV/Earnings or Price/EBITDA as valuation metrics?
  • 45. Why do you subtract cash in the enterprise value formula?
  • 46. How would you calculate the return on equity for a private firm with no comparables?
  • 47. What is cheaper, debt or equity?
  • 48. If you own a start-up mining company in Canada and you require additional capital, would you rather finance your company with debt or equity? Why?
  • 49.
  • 51. Logically think through the question, interviewers are analyzing your capacity to think logically in stressful situations
  • 52. Think out loud, don’t sit in silence
  • 53. Ask questions if you’re confused but totally stumped (but make sure to listen to the answer well)
  • 54. Sometimes thinking backwards is the key to many brainteasers
  • 55. Don’t feel rushed, work through everything and they may help you along the way
  • 57.
  • 58. Order of financial statements  1) Income Statement 2) Cash Flow Statement 3) Balance Sheet (most difficult is to balance)
  • 59. Assume the company’s fiscal year end is Dec. 31
  • 60. This year and next year
  • 61. The numbers are not important, but use them when learning the important underlying concepts
  • 62.
  • 63. Further, since the fiscal year end is Dec. 31, we are assuming no depreciation in the first year, and there is no impact to net income, thus no impact to the income statement.
  • 64.
  • 65. $100 increase in capital expenditure: therefore a $100 use of cash in cash flow from investing activities.
  • 66.
  • 67.
  • 68. PP&E (asset) up by $100
  • 70.
  • 71. Let’s also assume a 10% interest rate on the debt and no debt amortization.
  • 72. Depreciation is an expense so operating income (EBIT) declines by $20 ($100/5 years).
  • 73. $5 of interest expense (0.10 * $50).
  • 74.
  • 75. No change to cash flow from investing or financing activities. (If we assumed some debt amortization, we would have a use of cash in financing activities.)
  • 76.
  • 78. Therefore left-side of Balance Sheet down $15
  • 79. Retained earnings (shareholders’ equity) down $15 (remember, net income decreased by $15?)
  • 80.
  • 81.
  • 82. The last thing you want to do is go on a tangent or talk too much
  • 83. If you don’t know the answer right away, walk through your logical thinking process
  • 84. Always try to work out the problem. Don’t say I don’t know!!
  • 85. Don’t stress and keep your cool
  • 86. Be confident and comfortable
  • 87. Always have questions to ask them
  • 88. Don’t be cocky or pretend like you know everything about banking. Bankers, especially analysts, find this extremely aggravating and can see through it
  • 89.
  • 92. For everything you did, explain why (i.e. I chose business school because I’ve always been fascinated about what makes a good business)
  • 93.
  • 94. DO NOT get drunk
  • 95. Try not to ask too many nerdy finance questions or talk about how bad the markets are – unless, of course, a banker asks you your opinion
  • 96. Expect out of the blue questions about the economy and investing
  • 97. Do not talk about things you don’t know anything about, try to learn from others, don’t be cocky
  • 98. Try to sneak your interests into conversations that aren’t always relevant in interviews (e.g., interest in art or different cultures)
  • 99. Goal: Try to come across as an interesting and ambitious person who can also have some fun and be enjoyable to work with
  • 100. One slight mess up can definitely cost you your offer
  • 101.
  • 103. Being able to learn a boatload in a short amount of time
  • 104. Being surrounded by intelligent people willing to teach
  • 106. Like to work on projects and see rewarding results (even see it in the paper…)
  • 107. Intense environment, fast-paced, pressure, multi-tasking
  • 108.
  • 109. Have you seen the current economic turmoil/credit crisis affecting your everyday work? If so, how?
  • 110. In what industries does your office see the most dealflow?
  • 111. As a summer analyst will I be placed in one industry group or will I be a generalist?
  • 112. How would you describe the culture of your office?
  • 113. What, in your opinion, is the most important aspect or quality that a summer analyst should possess and display?
  • 114.

Notes de l'éditeur

  1. -they usually ask tax shield questions-state the formula to them in an explanatory matter... Don’t just state that this is the formula to get the WACC. They will ask why the formula was built that way
  2. -do all assumptions run off of revenue? Check this... I don’t think so
  3. -know the difference between using EV/EBITDA, or P/E multiples!What do you do when comparing companies with vast differences in debt?
  4. -P/EPS…use the multiple on their EPS to get their relative stock price-EV/EBITDA…use the multiple on their EBITDA to get their relative EV
  5. HAVE AN OPINION ON THE FINANCIAL CRISIS You will likely get the question “What happened?” or “Who is responsible?” Obviously no one really knows the correct answers or could answer everything within five minutes, but they’re looking for your level of understanding and passion in the financial markets-although the markets have taken such an extreme downturn, mention that dealflow is starting to increase, and familiarize yourself with some deals that have in fact gone through recently-note the improvement, and give your opinion on whether it will continue Although you will not be investing in stocks as an investment banking analyst, there are a surprising amount of questions on investing in interviews. This is possibly because it is one of the few ways you can demonstrate your genuine interest in the market – putting money where your mouth is. Do not mention anything you don’t know a lot about. Interviewers will likely continue asking you questions on that subject. Start investing! Or at least know one stock and one industry in extreme detail.
  6. -if you pay less and receive more value, it is accretive
  7. Estimate an accounting betaStep 1: Collect accounting earnings for the private company for as long as there is a history. Step 2: Collect accounting earnings for the S&P 500 for the same time period. Step 3: Regress changes in earnings for the private company against changes in the S&P 500. Step 4: The slope of the regression is the accounting beta
  8. -how do you decide whether to finance with debt/equity? Which industries would likely be more inclined to use each type?
  9. -make sure to remember and calculate the numbers in your answer, don’t just explain the theory-make sure to tell them your assumptions!
  10. -Another question: On Jan. 1 of Year 3 the equipment breaks and is deemed worthless. Assume the company pays back the loan immediately. What happens to the 3 statements?
  11. Even seemingly casual questions can be loaded. Interviewers want to see how you can speak and explain a story. You will have to be explaining your models to clients who do not understand financial mumbo jumbo in detail, so if you can’t explain your roles in past internships clearly, or how you chose McGill, then how will you be able to explain a DCF?
  12. Discuss BMO first round dinner – fight (in a modest manner) to shine You should be the last person at every dinner and social event
  13. If you can’t answer this question honestly, clearly, and correctly, there is no way you will make it to final rounds