SlideShare une entreprise Scribd logo
1  sur  33
Télécharger pour lire hors ligne
The Bible:
Myth or
Mystery


 Pocket Handbook of Christian Apologetics
                Chapter 10
       Peter Kreeft & Ronald Tacelli
The Bible, miracles and all the
resurrection stand close
together - if one falls they all fall.
For example people might say
their reasons for not believing in
the resurrection:
1. Miracles don’t happen
2. The Bible is myth, not history
The logic of arguing against
miracles, resurrection and the
bible must be in the right order -
otherwise the reasoning is
backward
To argue against miracles
and the resurrection
because the Bible is myth
is not the right way to
reason.
Instead the argument
should go like this:
If the resurrection really
did happen then miracles
are possible and therefore
the miracle stories in the
Bible can be [are?] history,
not myth.
To argue against miracles
and the resurrection
because the Bible is myth
is not the right way to
reason.
Instead the argument
should go like this:
If the resurrection really
did happen then miracles
are possible and therefore
the miracle stories in the
Bible can be [are?] history,
not myth.
If an unbeliever suggests
that the Bible is a myth
because it contains
unbelievable miracle stories
like the resurrection. This is
circular reasoning. It is
arguing that the
resurrection is a myth
because the Bible is a
myth, and the Bible is a
myth because it contains
mythical stories like the
resurrection.
The role of Scripture in Apologetics
There are 2 extremes - the
fundamentalist extreme and
the modernist extreme.
The fundamentalist extreme
[ position]
Most who are fundamentalist
(and also many who are called
evangelicals) will only start
their apologetics from
Scripture - the authors argue
against this on 3 grounds:
1. They think it is necessary to
start by convincing you of the
authority of Scripture because
they think that natural human
reason alone, apart from
Scripture, is not strong enough
or good enough to direct
unbelievers to belief.
2. Therefore, they think the only
right order in apologetics is to
first prove the authority of
Scripture - then you can move
onto other apologetic issues
with this weapon in hand
3. Special standards must be
used to understand and interpret
Scripture, since, unlike all other
books it is not just man’s words
about God but God’s words
about man.
Kreeft also notes the first
Christians for many centuries
did their apologetics without the
NT being defined (no canon was
formed until ??). Added to which
belief in a Creator God (and the
possibility salvation) have come
through rational arguments.
One might say it is hard to
start by proving the authority
of Scripture - it is easier to
start with the existence of
God, the divinity of Christ etc.
The arguments are often put in
a different order. So it is not,
1. Scripture is infallible
2. Therefore Christ is infallible
3. Therefore Christ is divine
A more convincing order is,
1. Scripture is reliable as
historical record, as data
2. Christ’s claims to divinity are
found in Scripture
3. Then comes the argument
for the truth of these claims -
as we studied previously.
We can confront someone with
the claims of Christ before
talking to them about
Scripture.
We might also ask if a
nonbeliever would feel they
should automatically give
Scripture special treatment
or assumptions - probably
they would want to be
convinced that it deserves
special treatment as the
WOG without this being
presupposed.
The modernist extreme - if
fundamentalists worship
Scripture then modernists
trash it. However both sides
use the same special
standards in judging the
Bible, standards they do not
apply to other books.
Fundamentalists interpret
everything they possibly can
as literally as possible and
insist on a believing attitude
from the start. Modernists
interpret as much as possible
(esp. Miracles and morally
unpopular ideas) non-literally
and start with an unbelieving
skeptical attitude to the Bible.
Kreeft says that modernists tend
towards eisegesis - reading
things into the text - cf
exegesis, reading things out of
it. This means it has a worldview
of naturalism, denying miracles
and the supernatural - all of this
is then read into the text - in this
they impose something alien
upon the text.
Fundamentalists read into the
text their own version of
supernaturalism, something
which it already contains.
Kreeft says unbelievers
say:
1. Christianity is what the
NT teaches
2. Christianity is false

Christians say,
1. Christianity is what the
NT teaches
2. Christianity is true
Modernist theologians want
peace with both sides of the
argument - so they say,
1. Christianity is not what the
NT teaches at face value but
what has been selected by
modernists - the love ethic
with out miracles
2. This refined version of
Christianity is true
Kreeft reminds us of Gal 1:8
But even if we or an angel from
heaven should preach a gospel
other than the one we preached to
you, let them be under God’s
curse!
The Bible, WOG on paper - should
lead us to Christ, WOG in flesh.
If we look again at Christ we said
we had a choice - Lord, liar, lunatic
- this was based on what we said
the Bible claimed Christ said - but
what if Christ did not claim this, if
the Bible (NT texts) is lying?
Kreeft suggests theologians
who have tried to make the
Bible out to e a myth, have
caused more people to lose
their faith than any atheistic
arguments of the 20th
century - this has taken
place by the historical-
critical method and higher
criticism. In effect they have
changed wine to water and
faith to myth. Kreeft says the
data makes such a change
impossible:
1. If a neutral, scientific approach is used on NT texts
(as with other historical documents) then the texts
prove remarkably reliable. Repeatedly the Bible has
been attacked, debunked, demythologised and
demeaned - yet it remains living and powerful!
2. The state of the manuscripts is good
- we have 500 copies earlier than
500AD, for the Iliad we have only 50
copies produced within 500 years of
its origin. For Tacitus writing the annals
f Rome there is only 1 copy written
within 500 years of the original.
One could question if it is the
recording of miracles which makes
people question the NT documents,
not their historical validity - not science
but prejudice.
“The manuscripts that we
have, in addition to being old,
are also mutually reinforcing
and consistent. There are very
few discrepancies and no really
important ones. And all later
discoveries of manuscripts,
such as the Dead Sea Scrolls,
have confirmed rather than
refuted previously existing
manuscripts in every important
case. There is simply no other
ancient text in nearly as good a
shape.”
3. If Jesus' divinity is a myth invented by later
generations("the early Christian community," = "the
inventors of the myth"), then there must have been at
least 2-3 generations between the original
eyewitnesses of the historical Jesus and the universal
belief in the new, mythic, divinized Jesus; otherwise,
the myth could never have been believed as fact
because it would have been refuted by eyewitnesses
of the real Jesus. Both disciples and enemies would
have had reasons to oppose this new myth.
There is no evidence of anyone
opposing the so-called myth of the
divine Jesus in the name of an earlier
merely human Jesus. The early
"demythologizers" explicitly claimed
that the New Testament texts had to
have been written after A.D. 150 for the
myth to have taken hold. But no
competent scholar today denies the
first-century dating of virtually all of the
NT-certainly Paul's letters, which clearly
affirm and presuppose Jesus' divinity
and the fact that this doctrine was
already universal Christian orthodoxy.
4. If a mythic "layer" had been
added later onto an originally
merely human Jesus, we should
find some evidence, at least
indirectly and second-hand, of
this earlier layer. We find instead
an absolute and total absence of
any such evidence anywhere,
either internal (in the NT texts
themselves) or external,
anywhere else, in Christian, anti-
Christian, or non-Christian
sources.
5. The Gospel style is not the style
of myth, but of real, though
unscientific, eyewitness description.
Anyone sensitive to literary styles
can compare the Gospels to any of
the mythic religious literature of the
time, and the differences will appear
remarkable and unmistakable- e.g.,
intertestamental apocalyptic
literature of Jews and Gentiles,
pagan mythic fantasies like Ovid's
Metamorphoses or Flavius
Philostratus's story of the wonder-
worker Apollonius of Tyana (AD220).
If the events in the Gospels did not
really happen, then the authors invented
modern realistic fantasy 19 centuries
ago. The Gospels are full of little details,
both of external observation and internal
feelings, that are found only in
eyewitness descriptions or modern
realistic fiction. They also include many
little details of life in first-century Israel
that could not have been known by
someone not living in that time and
place (e.g. Jn 12:3). And there are no
second-century anachronisms, either in
language or content.
6. The claim of Jesus to be God
makes sense of his trial and
crucifixion. The Jewish sensitivity
to blasphemy was unique; no one
else would so fanatically insist on
death as punishment for claiming
divinity. In the Roman world, the
attitude toward the gods was "the
more, the merrier."
Jesus had no political ambitions. -
politics cannot explain his
crucifixion. He disappointed the
political expectations of friends
and enemies.
The main reason why most Jews
rejected his claim to be the Messiah
was that he did not liberate them
from Roman political oppression.
Why then was he crucified? The
political excuse that he was
Caesar's rival was a lie trumped up
to justify his execution, since
Roman law did not recognize
blasphemy as grounds for
execution and the Jews had no
legal power to enforce their own
religious laws of capital punishment
under Roman rule.
Why then was he
crucified? The political
excuse that he was
Caesar's rival was a lie
trumped up to justify his
execution, since Roman
law did not recognize
blasphemy as grounds
for execution and the
Jews had no legal power
to enforce their own
religious laws of capital
punishment under
Roman rule.
7. There are 4 Gospels, not just one -
written by 4 different writers, at 4
different times, probably for 4 different
audiences and for 4 somewhat
different purposes and emphases. So
a lot of cross-checking is possible. By
a textual triangulation, we can fix the
facts with far greater assurance here
than with any other ancient
personage or series of events. The
only inconsistencies are in chronology
(only Luke's Gospel claims to be in
order) and accidentals like numbers
(e.g. did the women see one angel or
two at the empty tomb?).
8. If the divine Jesus of the
Gospels is a myth, who invented
it? Whether it was his first
disciples or some later
generation, no possible motive
can account for this invention.
For until the Edict of Milan in
A.D. 313, Christians were
subject to persecution, often
tortured and martyred, and
hated and oppressed for their
beliefs. No one invents an
elaborate practical joke in order
to be crucified, stoned or
beheaded.
9. First-century Jews and Christians
were not prone to believe in myths.
They were already more
"demythologized" than any other
people. The orthodox were adamantly,
even cantankerously and intolerantly,
opposed to the polytheistic myths of
paganism and to any ecumenical
syncretism. Nor would anyone be less
likely to confuse myth and fact than a
Jew. Peter declares that the Gospel
story is historical fact, not "cleverly
devised myths" 2 Pet 1:16
10. Finally, if you read the
Gospels with an open mind and
heart, you may well conclude,
along with Dostoevsky and
Kierkegaard, that no mere man
could possibly have invented
this story.

Contenu connexe

Tendances

Bibliology
BibliologyBibliology
Bibliology
billpeed
 
The Bible - Its Origin
The Bible - Its OriginThe Bible - Its Origin
The Bible - Its Origin
Paul Fuller
 
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian ApologeticsSession # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
rogerskirk
 
And in jesus christ, his only
And in jesus christ,     his onlyAnd in jesus christ,     his only
And in jesus christ, his only
Michelle Shyam
 

Tendances (20)

Apologetics: Kreeft Chapter 3 - Existence of God
Apologetics: Kreeft Chapter 3 - Existence of GodApologetics: Kreeft Chapter 3 - Existence of God
Apologetics: Kreeft Chapter 3 - Existence of God
 
1 general introduction to the new testament
1   general introduction to the new testament1   general introduction to the new testament
1 general introduction to the new testament
 
Bibliology
BibliologyBibliology
Bibliology
 
Moses
MosesMoses
Moses
 
Power Point: Jehovah's Witnesses
Power Point: Jehovah's WitnessesPower Point: Jehovah's Witnesses
Power Point: Jehovah's Witnesses
 
The Essentials of Apologetics - Why Jesus (Part 1)?
The Essentials of Apologetics - Why Jesus (Part 1)?The Essentials of Apologetics - Why Jesus (Part 1)?
The Essentials of Apologetics - Why Jesus (Part 1)?
 
Share, Part 1, Sharing the Gospel with an Unbeliever
Share, Part 1, Sharing the Gospel with an UnbelieverShare, Part 1, Sharing the Gospel with an Unbeliever
Share, Part 1, Sharing the Gospel with an Unbeliever
 
The Bible: The Canon of Scripture
The Bible: The Canon of ScriptureThe Bible: The Canon of Scripture
The Bible: The Canon of Scripture
 
Who I am in christ!
Who I am in christ!Who I am in christ!
Who I am in christ!
 
Why I Believe the Bible to be True -
Why I Believe the Bible to be True  -Why I Believe the Bible to be True  -
Why I Believe the Bible to be True -
 
Covenants and Dispensations (Cross Platform View)
Covenants and Dispensations (Cross Platform View)Covenants and Dispensations (Cross Platform View)
Covenants and Dispensations (Cross Platform View)
 
The Bible - Its Origin
The Bible - Its OriginThe Bible - Its Origin
The Bible - Its Origin
 
Pre Encounter Lesson 5: Three Aspects of Salvation
Pre Encounter Lesson 5: Three Aspects of SalvationPre Encounter Lesson 5: Three Aspects of Salvation
Pre Encounter Lesson 5: Three Aspects of Salvation
 
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian ApologeticsSession # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
Session # 2. Does Absolute Truth Exist? A Basic Guide to Christian Apologetics
 
How to study the bible and lead a bible study
How to study the bible and lead a bible studyHow to study the bible and lead a bible study
How to study the bible and lead a bible study
 
And in jesus christ, his only
And in jesus christ,     his onlyAnd in jesus christ,     his only
And in jesus christ, his only
 
Basic Eschatology: An Introduction
Basic Eschatology: An IntroductionBasic Eschatology: An Introduction
Basic Eschatology: An Introduction
 
The Pentateuch-intro (1)
The Pentateuch-intro (1)The Pentateuch-intro (1)
The Pentateuch-intro (1)
 
Miracles of Jesus
Miracles of JesusMiracles of Jesus
Miracles of Jesus
 
Class on Hermeneutics: How to Interpret the Bible
Class on Hermeneutics: How to Interpret the BibleClass on Hermeneutics: How to Interpret the Bible
Class on Hermeneutics: How to Interpret the Bible
 

En vedette (10)

Why The Catholic Church
Why The Catholic ChurchWhy The Catholic Church
Why The Catholic Church
 
03-Evidences is it reasonable morals religion
03-Evidences is it reasonable morals religion03-Evidences is it reasonable morals religion
03-Evidences is it reasonable morals religion
 
The application of moral stages
The application of moral stagesThe application of moral stages
The application of moral stages
 
Aptask datasheet final
Aptask datasheet finalAptask datasheet final
Aptask datasheet final
 
Catholic health care ethics select moral principles
Catholic health care ethics select moral principlesCatholic health care ethics select moral principles
Catholic health care ethics select moral principles
 
Conscience
ConscienceConscience
Conscience
 
Conscience
ConscienceConscience
Conscience
 
Different kinds of conscience
Different kinds of conscienceDifferent kinds of conscience
Different kinds of conscience
 
The Scientific Method
The Scientific MethodThe Scientific Method
The Scientific Method
 
Big Data - 25 Amazing Facts Everyone Should Know
Big Data - 25 Amazing Facts Everyone Should KnowBig Data - 25 Amazing Facts Everyone Should Know
Big Data - 25 Amazing Facts Everyone Should Know
 

Similaire à Apologetics, Kreeft chapter 10: The Bible, myth or history?

GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHGNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
William John Meegan
 
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus? Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
Reflections on Morality, Philosophy, and History
 
Defending The Faith Master
Defending The Faith MasterDefending The Faith Master
Defending The Faith Master
jdlongmire
 

Similaire à Apologetics, Kreeft chapter 10: The Bible, myth or history? (19)

Lesson 3: The empty tomb
Lesson 3: The empty tombLesson 3: The empty tomb
Lesson 3: The empty tomb
 
The true message of jesus chrst pbuh
The true message of jesus chrst pbuhThe true message of jesus chrst pbuh
The true message of jesus chrst pbuh
 
GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHGNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
GNOSTICISM and HERESY Proportional to the Teachings of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
 
Jesus christ
Jesus christJesus christ
Jesus christ
 
Jesus christ
Jesus    christJesus    christ
Jesus christ
 
English 087
English 087English 087
English 087
 
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus? Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
Historical Jjesus, Who is t he Real Jesus?
 
Defending The Faith Master
Defending The Faith MasterDefending The Faith Master
Defending The Faith Master
 
Historical Jesus Primer
Historical Jesus PrimerHistorical Jesus Primer
Historical Jesus Primer
 
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 001: "“The Method of Biblical Christology”
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 001: "“The Method of Biblical Christology”Bible Alive Jesus Christ 001: "“The Method of Biblical Christology”
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 001: "“The Method of Biblical Christology”
 
238822738 apologetics-arguments
238822738 apologetics-arguments238822738 apologetics-arguments
238822738 apologetics-arguments
 
THE BIRTH OF CHRIST and the Initiatic Visionary Experience
THE BIRTH OF CHRIST and the Initiatic Visionary ExperienceTHE BIRTH OF CHRIST and the Initiatic Visionary Experience
THE BIRTH OF CHRIST and the Initiatic Visionary Experience
 
Another Jesus
Another JesusAnother Jesus
Another Jesus
 
What About All The Other Gospels Of Jesus
What About All The Other Gospels Of JesusWhat About All The Other Gospels Of Jesus
What About All The Other Gospels Of Jesus
 
BI 103 Week 1 p pt biblical criticism
BI 103 Week 1 p pt biblical criticismBI 103 Week 1 p pt biblical criticism
BI 103 Week 1 p pt biblical criticism
 
Jesus was to reign a thousand years vol 2
Jesus was to reign a thousand years vol 2Jesus was to reign a thousand years vol 2
Jesus was to reign a thousand years vol 2
 
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 002: "Criteria & Historical Foundations“”
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 002: "Criteria & Historical Foundations“”Bible Alive Jesus Christ 002: "Criteria & Historical Foundations“”
Bible Alive Jesus Christ 002: "Criteria & Historical Foundations“”
 
History of apologetics
History of apologeticsHistory of apologetics
History of apologetics
 
A STUDY ON THE LIFE OF CHRIST IN THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS
A STUDY ON THE LIFE OF CHRIST IN THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELSA STUDY ON THE LIFE OF CHRIST IN THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS
A STUDY ON THE LIFE OF CHRIST IN THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS
 

Plus de Richard Chamberlain

Plus de Richard Chamberlain (20)

Why you need to invest in disciple-making relationships
Why you need to invest in disciple-making relationshipsWhy you need to invest in disciple-making relationships
Why you need to invest in disciple-making relationships
 
Growing as a Follower of King Jesus
Growing as a Follower of King JesusGrowing as a Follower of King Jesus
Growing as a Follower of King Jesus
 
Disciple-making and how Jesus saw the disciples change
Disciple-making and how Jesus saw the disciples changeDisciple-making and how Jesus saw the disciples change
Disciple-making and how Jesus saw the disciples change
 
Disciple-Making: Internalisation and Multiplication
Disciple-Making: Internalisation and MultiplicationDisciple-Making: Internalisation and Multiplication
Disciple-Making: Internalisation and Multiplication
 
Disciple-making: a deliberate relationship
Disciple-making: a deliberate relationshipDisciple-making: a deliberate relationship
Disciple-making: a deliberate relationship
 
God's way of changing the world: Disciple-Making
God's way of changing the world: Disciple-MakingGod's way of changing the world: Disciple-Making
God's way of changing the world: Disciple-Making
 
The New Testament Story1 d
The New Testament Story1 dThe New Testament Story1 d
The New Testament Story1 d
 
The New Testament Story1 c
The New Testament Story1 cThe New Testament Story1 c
The New Testament Story1 c
 
The New Testament Story1 b
The New Testament Story1 bThe New Testament Story1 b
The New Testament Story1 b
 
The New Testament Story1 a
The New Testament Story1 aThe New Testament Story1 a
The New Testament Story1 a
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.1
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.1A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.1
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.1
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.3
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.3A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.3
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.3
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.2
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.2A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.2
A simplified Old Testament Story part 3.2
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 3
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 3A simplified Old Testament Story part2 3
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 3
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 2
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 2A simplified Old Testament Story part2 2
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 2
 
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 1
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 1A simplified Old Testament Story part2 1
A simplified Old Testament Story part2 1
 
An Introduction to Disciple making / Discipleship
An Introduction to Disciple making / DiscipleshipAn Introduction to Disciple making / Discipleship
An Introduction to Disciple making / Discipleship
 
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.3
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.3The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.3
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.3
 
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.2
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.2The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.2
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.2
 
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.1
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.1The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.1
The OT as a Story of moves Part 1.1
 

Dernier

Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
makhmalhalaaay
 
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
baharayali
 
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
baharayali
 
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
baharayali
 
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
baharayali
 

Dernier (20)

Genesis 1:8 || Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
Genesis 1:8  ||  Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verseGenesis 1:8  ||  Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
Genesis 1:8 || Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
 
Sector 18, Noida Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Sector 18, Noida Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verifiedSector 18, Noida Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
Sector 18, Noida Call girls :8448380779 Model Escorts | 100% verified
 
famous No 1 astrologer / Best No 1 Amil baba in UK, Australia, Germany, USA, ...
famous No 1 astrologer / Best No 1 Amil baba in UK, Australia, Germany, USA, ...famous No 1 astrologer / Best No 1 Amil baba in UK, Australia, Germany, USA, ...
famous No 1 astrologer / Best No 1 Amil baba in UK, Australia, Germany, USA, ...
 
"The Magnificent Surah Rahman: PDF Version"
"The Magnificent Surah Rahman: PDF Version""The Magnificent Surah Rahman: PDF Version"
"The Magnificent Surah Rahman: PDF Version"
 
Jude: The Acts of the Apostates (Jude vv.1-4).pptx
Jude: The Acts of the Apostates (Jude vv.1-4).pptxJude: The Acts of the Apostates (Jude vv.1-4).pptx
Jude: The Acts of the Apostates (Jude vv.1-4).pptx
 
Lesson 6 - Our Spiritual Weapons - SBS.pptx
Lesson 6 - Our Spiritual Weapons - SBS.pptxLesson 6 - Our Spiritual Weapons - SBS.pptx
Lesson 6 - Our Spiritual Weapons - SBS.pptx
 
Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
Professional Amil baba, Kala jadu specialist in Multan and Kala ilam speciali...
 
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
Famous Kala Jadu, Black magic expert in UK and Kala ilam expert in Saudi Arab...
 
Louise de Marillac and Care for the Elderly
Louise de Marillac and Care for the ElderlyLouise de Marillac and Care for the Elderly
Louise de Marillac and Care for the Elderly
 
Zulu - The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp.pdf
Zulu - The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp.pdfZulu - The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp.pdf
Zulu - The Epistle of Ignatius to Polycarp.pdf
 
Meaning of 22 numbers in Matrix Destiny Chart | 22 Energy Calculator
Meaning of 22 numbers in Matrix Destiny Chart | 22 Energy CalculatorMeaning of 22 numbers in Matrix Destiny Chart | 22 Energy Calculator
Meaning of 22 numbers in Matrix Destiny Chart | 22 Energy Calculator
 
Genesis 1:10 || Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
Genesis 1:10  ||  Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verseGenesis 1:10  ||  Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
Genesis 1:10 || Meditate the Scripture daily verse by verse
 
St. Louise de Marillac and Poor Children
St. Louise de Marillac and Poor ChildrenSt. Louise de Marillac and Poor Children
St. Louise de Marillac and Poor Children
 
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
Top Kala Jadu, Bangali Amil baba in Lahore and Kala jadu specialist in Lahore...
 
Hire Best Next Js Developer For Your Project
Hire Best Next Js Developer For Your ProjectHire Best Next Js Developer For Your Project
Hire Best Next Js Developer For Your Project
 
Peaceful Meditation | Peaceful Way by Kabastro
Peaceful Meditation | Peaceful Way by KabastroPeaceful Meditation | Peaceful Way by Kabastro
Peaceful Meditation | Peaceful Way by Kabastro
 
Human Design Gates Cheat Sheet | Kabastro.com
Human Design Gates Cheat Sheet | Kabastro.comHuman Design Gates Cheat Sheet | Kabastro.com
Human Design Gates Cheat Sheet | Kabastro.com
 
Exploring the Meaning of Jesus’ Ascension
Exploring the Meaning of Jesus’ AscensionExploring the Meaning of Jesus’ Ascension
Exploring the Meaning of Jesus’ Ascension
 
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
Real Kala Jadu, Black magic specialist in Lahore and Kala ilam expert in kara...
 
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
Famous Kala Jadu, Kala ilam specialist in USA and Bangali Amil baba in Saudi ...
 

Apologetics, Kreeft chapter 10: The Bible, myth or history?

  • 1. The Bible: Myth or Mystery Pocket Handbook of Christian Apologetics Chapter 10 Peter Kreeft & Ronald Tacelli
  • 2. The Bible, miracles and all the resurrection stand close together - if one falls they all fall. For example people might say their reasons for not believing in the resurrection: 1. Miracles don’t happen 2. The Bible is myth, not history The logic of arguing against miracles, resurrection and the bible must be in the right order - otherwise the reasoning is backward
  • 3. To argue against miracles and the resurrection because the Bible is myth is not the right way to reason. Instead the argument should go like this: If the resurrection really did happen then miracles are possible and therefore the miracle stories in the Bible can be [are?] history, not myth.
  • 4. To argue against miracles and the resurrection because the Bible is myth is not the right way to reason. Instead the argument should go like this: If the resurrection really did happen then miracles are possible and therefore the miracle stories in the Bible can be [are?] history, not myth.
  • 5. If an unbeliever suggests that the Bible is a myth because it contains unbelievable miracle stories like the resurrection. This is circular reasoning. It is arguing that the resurrection is a myth because the Bible is a myth, and the Bible is a myth because it contains mythical stories like the resurrection.
  • 6. The role of Scripture in Apologetics There are 2 extremes - the fundamentalist extreme and the modernist extreme. The fundamentalist extreme [ position] Most who are fundamentalist (and also many who are called evangelicals) will only start their apologetics from Scripture - the authors argue against this on 3 grounds:
  • 7. 1. They think it is necessary to start by convincing you of the authority of Scripture because they think that natural human reason alone, apart from Scripture, is not strong enough or good enough to direct unbelievers to belief. 2. Therefore, they think the only right order in apologetics is to first prove the authority of Scripture - then you can move onto other apologetic issues with this weapon in hand
  • 8. 3. Special standards must be used to understand and interpret Scripture, since, unlike all other books it is not just man’s words about God but God’s words about man. Kreeft also notes the first Christians for many centuries did their apologetics without the NT being defined (no canon was formed until ??). Added to which belief in a Creator God (and the possibility salvation) have come through rational arguments.
  • 9. One might say it is hard to start by proving the authority of Scripture - it is easier to start with the existence of God, the divinity of Christ etc. The arguments are often put in a different order. So it is not, 1. Scripture is infallible 2. Therefore Christ is infallible 3. Therefore Christ is divine
  • 10. A more convincing order is, 1. Scripture is reliable as historical record, as data 2. Christ’s claims to divinity are found in Scripture 3. Then comes the argument for the truth of these claims - as we studied previously. We can confront someone with the claims of Christ before talking to them about Scripture.
  • 11. We might also ask if a nonbeliever would feel they should automatically give Scripture special treatment or assumptions - probably they would want to be convinced that it deserves special treatment as the WOG without this being presupposed.
  • 12. The modernist extreme - if fundamentalists worship Scripture then modernists trash it. However both sides use the same special standards in judging the Bible, standards they do not apply to other books.
  • 13. Fundamentalists interpret everything they possibly can as literally as possible and insist on a believing attitude from the start. Modernists interpret as much as possible (esp. Miracles and morally unpopular ideas) non-literally and start with an unbelieving skeptical attitude to the Bible.
  • 14. Kreeft says that modernists tend towards eisegesis - reading things into the text - cf exegesis, reading things out of it. This means it has a worldview of naturalism, denying miracles and the supernatural - all of this is then read into the text - in this they impose something alien upon the text. Fundamentalists read into the text their own version of supernaturalism, something which it already contains.
  • 15. Kreeft says unbelievers say: 1. Christianity is what the NT teaches 2. Christianity is false Christians say, 1. Christianity is what the NT teaches 2. Christianity is true
  • 16. Modernist theologians want peace with both sides of the argument - so they say, 1. Christianity is not what the NT teaches at face value but what has been selected by modernists - the love ethic with out miracles 2. This refined version of Christianity is true
  • 17. Kreeft reminds us of Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! The Bible, WOG on paper - should lead us to Christ, WOG in flesh. If we look again at Christ we said we had a choice - Lord, liar, lunatic - this was based on what we said the Bible claimed Christ said - but what if Christ did not claim this, if the Bible (NT texts) is lying?
  • 18. Kreeft suggests theologians who have tried to make the Bible out to e a myth, have caused more people to lose their faith than any atheistic arguments of the 20th century - this has taken place by the historical- critical method and higher criticism. In effect they have changed wine to water and faith to myth. Kreeft says the data makes such a change impossible:
  • 19. 1. If a neutral, scientific approach is used on NT texts (as with other historical documents) then the texts prove remarkably reliable. Repeatedly the Bible has been attacked, debunked, demythologised and demeaned - yet it remains living and powerful!
  • 20. 2. The state of the manuscripts is good - we have 500 copies earlier than 500AD, for the Iliad we have only 50 copies produced within 500 years of its origin. For Tacitus writing the annals f Rome there is only 1 copy written within 500 years of the original. One could question if it is the recording of miracles which makes people question the NT documents, not their historical validity - not science but prejudice.
  • 21. “The manuscripts that we have, in addition to being old, are also mutually reinforcing and consistent. There are very few discrepancies and no really important ones. And all later discoveries of manuscripts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, have confirmed rather than refuted previously existing manuscripts in every important case. There is simply no other ancient text in nearly as good a shape.”
  • 22. 3. If Jesus' divinity is a myth invented by later generations("the early Christian community," = "the inventors of the myth"), then there must have been at least 2-3 generations between the original eyewitnesses of the historical Jesus and the universal belief in the new, mythic, divinized Jesus; otherwise, the myth could never have been believed as fact because it would have been refuted by eyewitnesses of the real Jesus. Both disciples and enemies would have had reasons to oppose this new myth.
  • 23. There is no evidence of anyone opposing the so-called myth of the divine Jesus in the name of an earlier merely human Jesus. The early "demythologizers" explicitly claimed that the New Testament texts had to have been written after A.D. 150 for the myth to have taken hold. But no competent scholar today denies the first-century dating of virtually all of the NT-certainly Paul's letters, which clearly affirm and presuppose Jesus' divinity and the fact that this doctrine was already universal Christian orthodoxy.
  • 24. 4. If a mythic "layer" had been added later onto an originally merely human Jesus, we should find some evidence, at least indirectly and second-hand, of this earlier layer. We find instead an absolute and total absence of any such evidence anywhere, either internal (in the NT texts themselves) or external, anywhere else, in Christian, anti- Christian, or non-Christian sources.
  • 25. 5. The Gospel style is not the style of myth, but of real, though unscientific, eyewitness description. Anyone sensitive to literary styles can compare the Gospels to any of the mythic religious literature of the time, and the differences will appear remarkable and unmistakable- e.g., intertestamental apocalyptic literature of Jews and Gentiles, pagan mythic fantasies like Ovid's Metamorphoses or Flavius Philostratus's story of the wonder- worker Apollonius of Tyana (AD220).
  • 26. If the events in the Gospels did not really happen, then the authors invented modern realistic fantasy 19 centuries ago. The Gospels are full of little details, both of external observation and internal feelings, that are found only in eyewitness descriptions or modern realistic fiction. They also include many little details of life in first-century Israel that could not have been known by someone not living in that time and place (e.g. Jn 12:3). And there are no second-century anachronisms, either in language or content.
  • 27. 6. The claim of Jesus to be God makes sense of his trial and crucifixion. The Jewish sensitivity to blasphemy was unique; no one else would so fanatically insist on death as punishment for claiming divinity. In the Roman world, the attitude toward the gods was "the more, the merrier." Jesus had no political ambitions. - politics cannot explain his crucifixion. He disappointed the political expectations of friends and enemies.
  • 28. The main reason why most Jews rejected his claim to be the Messiah was that he did not liberate them from Roman political oppression. Why then was he crucified? The political excuse that he was Caesar's rival was a lie trumped up to justify his execution, since Roman law did not recognize blasphemy as grounds for execution and the Jews had no legal power to enforce their own religious laws of capital punishment under Roman rule.
  • 29. Why then was he crucified? The political excuse that he was Caesar's rival was a lie trumped up to justify his execution, since Roman law did not recognize blasphemy as grounds for execution and the Jews had no legal power to enforce their own religious laws of capital punishment under Roman rule.
  • 30. 7. There are 4 Gospels, not just one - written by 4 different writers, at 4 different times, probably for 4 different audiences and for 4 somewhat different purposes and emphases. So a lot of cross-checking is possible. By a textual triangulation, we can fix the facts with far greater assurance here than with any other ancient personage or series of events. The only inconsistencies are in chronology (only Luke's Gospel claims to be in order) and accidentals like numbers (e.g. did the women see one angel or two at the empty tomb?).
  • 31. 8. If the divine Jesus of the Gospels is a myth, who invented it? Whether it was his first disciples or some later generation, no possible motive can account for this invention. For until the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313, Christians were subject to persecution, often tortured and martyred, and hated and oppressed for their beliefs. No one invents an elaborate practical joke in order to be crucified, stoned or beheaded.
  • 32. 9. First-century Jews and Christians were not prone to believe in myths. They were already more "demythologized" than any other people. The orthodox were adamantly, even cantankerously and intolerantly, opposed to the polytheistic myths of paganism and to any ecumenical syncretism. Nor would anyone be less likely to confuse myth and fact than a Jew. Peter declares that the Gospel story is historical fact, not "cleverly devised myths" 2 Pet 1:16
  • 33. 10. Finally, if you read the Gospels with an open mind and heart, you may well conclude, along with Dostoevsky and Kierkegaard, that no mere man could possibly have invented this story.