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Valdas Maharaj -Satpanth is a muslim religion Series 18
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Series 18 -Valdas Maharaj -Satpanth is a Muslim
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Real Patidar <mail@realpatidar.com> Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:06 PM
To: realpatidar@googlegroups.com

10 Aug 2010
Dear All / ,

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With this email, I have attached a Statement dated 02 Jul 1989, issued by His Holiness Shri Valdas Maharaj.

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After having visited and inspected Pirana, Shri Valdas Maharaj has clearly mentioned in his statement that
Satpanth is an Islamic religion and it has nothing to do with Sanatan or Vedic Hindu religion.

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If you read further, you would understand that how Valdas Maharaj was taken to Pirana and similarly without his
knowledge, his photographs with Karsan Kaka were unknowingly taken and later used in false and deceptive
publicity of Satpanth religion. (One more example of use of Taqiyya).

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You might have heard that some or other Sadhu, Sant and other Hindu religious head(s) have visited Pirana. But in
reality they might have visited Pirana only out of normal courtesy only and not to promote Satpanth as a Hindu
religion.

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Hence people, who receive constant requests to visit Pirana, should be careful and understand the possible
implications beforehand. Let me warn you that the people, who have mis used the name of Valdas Maharaj, could
also do the same with you.

/ Jay Laxminarayan Bhagwan
/ Jay Sanatan Dharm

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Series 19 - Clause 18 of Gnati Reet Rivaj – Interpretation
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Real Patidar <mail@realpatidar.com> Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:17 AM

17 Aug 2010

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Clause 18 of Gnati Reet Rivaj – Interpretation of

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Mis understanding: Whether performing marriage ceremony as per Hindu ritual in witness of
holy fire and performing funeral of dead bodies (as against burial) means the clause 18 of Gnati
Reet Rivaj is complied with?

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Many people in our Samaj mis understand this to be true. The question is not merely about
how the marriage and death ceremonies are conducted. The main question is about “outwardly
and perceived conduct of a person.” The question is of eternal faith.

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Important Words: Important words of Clause 18 are “Birth”, “Post Death” and “Outwardly and
perceived conduct”. Every member of our Samaj has to conduct outwardly in such a way of
preached by Hindu Religion. His conduct should also be perceived to be of a Hindu. This
statement is very important.

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Audio / : http://www.4shared.com/audio/ZPyWdHIl/Himmatbhai_on_Bahya_
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Outwardly and perceived conduct: Every person of the Samaj should outwardly conduct
himself in such a way that his conduct makes one believe and perceive that he is a Hindu. In
other words, if any one, openly in the eyes of the public, for example regularly visits a Durgah of
Muslim Pir and offers his Namaz, then such person cannot be said to be conducting in a way
Hindus conduct.

You can know more about outwardly and perceived conduct by listening to the speech of
Himmatbhai. You can download the same from this link.

Video / : http://www.4shared.com/video/TjWS7QHP/Himmatbhai_on_Bahya_
Acharan.html

Audio / : http://www.4shared.com/audio/ZPyWdHIl/Himmatbhai_on_Bahya_
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What is the relevant of “Outwardly and perceived conduct” in present context: Khana, Jagya,
JyotishDham, Nishkalanki Dham and other places of worship of Satpanth religion, which may be
even called as Temples are not the places of worship of Hindus. Similary “Imam Shah” is also
not part of Hindu religion or things Hindus worship. This means that worshiping Imam Shah,
offering prayers at Pirana Dargah (Prerna Pith), Nishkalanki Dham, Jagya etc cannot be said to
be the conduct of Hindus.

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This means, those who worship Imam Shah and similarly visit Pirana and other Satpanth
Khanas (Temples) are not conducting themselves like Hindus do. Hence such people are
cannot become the members of the Samaj.

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In short, Satpanth followers cannot become member of our Samaj.

- http://issuu.com/patidar/docs/series_19_ interpretation_of_
clause_18_of_gnati_re .
You can also read the contents at this link http://issuu.com/patidar/docs/series_19_
interpretation_of_clause_18_of_gnati_re

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Government Records on Pirana, Mumna and Pir Series 20
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Series 20 - Government Records on Pirana, Mumna and Pir /
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Real Patidar <mail@realpatidar.com> Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:14 PM
To: Real Patidar <mail@realpatidar.com>

18-Aug-2010
Hello/

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Some days back, I found a Government Report called Census of India 1911, Volume XVI, Baroda, published by
Govind Desai, BA LLB, Superintendent of Census Operation, Baroda State.

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This report gives insights about the then situation prevailing in the present Gujarat.

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The report contains brief and precise information about Pirana, Mumna and Pir. The relevant pages have been
attached with this email.

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1. Pir Imam Shah was an Ismaili Sayyed (Niteshbhai and his team says he was a Brahmin - a blatant false
statement)
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2. Many Hindus from Kanbi community were converted by Pir Imam Shah
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3. Pir Imam Shah's religious books are different.
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4. Mumna's perfrom circumcision.
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5. Murids have to consume left over food of Pir

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Hope this email has helped you improve your knowledge.

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Revealing truth behind false pamphlet of Narayan Ramji Limbani Series 21 & 21A
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Series 21 - Revealing truth behind false pamphlet on
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Real Patidar <mail@realpatidar.com> Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:06 PM

30-Aug-2010

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It’s always been a strategy of Satpanthis to disrespect, disregard and malign the image and character of
any person who asks difficult questions about Satpanth. The aim has always been to make ordinary
people of Samaj feel hesitant in idolizing and accepting such person as a role model. Thus negating all
the good work done by such person.

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Our Aadhya Samaj Sudharak Shri Narayanji Ramji Limbani was also a victim of such false and malign
propaganda by Satpanthis. Satpanthis have been publishing a pamphlet on Narayanji bapa. Copies in
large number, of such pamphlet have been distributed during the recent Golden Jubilee (Swarnim
Mahotsav) of our Samaj. These copies were specifically distributed amongst the people following
Satpanth religion. Some of the relevant pages of this pamphlet have been attached with this email.

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The fact that the mindset of the people behind this pamphlet is dirty and corrupt and the proof that the
information printed in this pamphlet is false and incorrect can be proved from the information published in
the pamphlet itself, without recourse to other information.

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Following important points are mentioned in the pamphlet:

1. Narayan Bapa (Narayan Ramji Limbani) was mukhi.

2. He was fan of Bhavai (a folk drama performed in Kachchh mainly by a Brahmin community) and
fell in love with a female member of the team, called Laxmibai.

3. He approached Kaka of Pirana for obtaining permission to marry Laxmibai.

4. Narayan bapa was boycotted from the community.

5. Since Narayan bapa was not given the permission to marry, he formed a separate sect called
Laxminarayan.

6. There is a court ban on book called Pirana Panthni Pol Ane Satyano Prakash, (Piranani Pol)
written by Narayan Bapa.

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If we read the pamphlet thoroughly we can easily understand that how false and misleading the pamphlet
is. No information, other than provided in pamphlet, will be required in the process.

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1) Narayan Bapa was never a Mukhi: The pamphlet starts with wrong information. If we read books on
Narayan bapa, we will understand that Narayan bapa was never a mukhi. Alternatively, we can also learn
from the seniors of our Samaj that Narayan bapa was never a mukhi.

Now for the sake of argument, let us assume that he was a mukhi. Further, as per pamphlet (which is also
true here) that Narayan bapa had settled in Mumbai for doing his business. Now the funny part is that
even while Narayan Bapa settled in Mumbai, he still remained Mukhi. We all know that in those days,
there were no Khana’s (place of worship of Satpanthis) belonging to our community outside Kachchh.
Then how can Narayan bapa still remain Mukhi. If any person settles outside Kachchh then it is not
possible for him to remain a mukhi of a khana in Kachchh. Does this mean that the Khana was closed,
while he was out of Kachchh. This is not possible. In those days commuting was not as easy as these
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2) Baseless point of Bhavaiyan called Laxmibai: In those days there was a folk drama called Bhavai,
who used to entertain and educate the villagers about the issues and their culture. It was also a source of
information to the villagers. The team of Bhavais was called “Pedun”. Any pedun peculiarly never had a
female member. All female characters in the drama were performed by male members and the person
performing act used to be so well dressed and his skilled acting used to be of such high standards that
nobody would be able to tell that the female character is performed by a male. The food and other chores
were also managed by the male members of the team.

When there were no female members in the team, there is no question of Narayan bapa coming in
contact with a female bhavaiyan called Laxmibai. This suggests that whole pamphlet is made with an
ulterior and single motive to malign the character of Narayan bapa and contains all false and incorrect
information.

Satpanthis created a fresh rift in the Samaj by publishing this pamphlet. Their act of publishing the
pamphlet became stimulus in breaking the Samaj. This is pamphlet is proof of motives of Satpanthis.

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3) Kaka’s permission for marriage was not relevant: For the time being let’s assume that the
information mentioned in the pamphlet is correct and point that Narayan bapa had sought Kaka’s
permission is true. The first counter point is that there was no need to obtain Kaka’s permission for
marriage. Narayan bapa could have married even without Kaka’s permission.

Secondly even if he sought Kaka’s permission and did not get it, Narayan bapa could have sought
permission from the religious guru of Satpanth, the Saiyyed, who would have happily granted. This is
because Saiyyeds being muslims were allowed to have more than one wife. Narayan bapa was certainly
smart enough to know this fact.

Since all this did not happen, it suggests that the whole pamphlet and the existence and story of Laxmibai
is cooked up and baseless.

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associated with Satpanth religion, he quit Satpanth. He was believer of Vedic Hindu religion. Everything
else is fiction of imagination.

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5) He did not establish Laxminarayan Sect: The publishers of pamphlet made a very big mistake by
making a baseless allegation that he established Laxminarayan sect. We all know that Narayan bapa was
a staunch believer of Arya Samaj and he did not believe in Idol worship. Laxminarayan sect believes in
Idol worship, hence there is no logic behind the false propaganda that he established something, which
he did not believe in.

Secondly, we all know that God Laxminarayan is worshiped in temples constructed hundreds and
thousands of years ago. One of the India’s biggest industrial houses called as Birlas are known to
construct Birla temples where ever they spread. The idols in these temples are of God Laxminarayan. All
this suggests that God Laxminarayan is worshipped from the times known to human kind. How could
Narayan bapa establish something which is already in existence?

Third point is that most of us are witness to the fact and we know that the credit of introducing God
Laxminaryan to our community goes to Sant Odhavramji Maharaj. When people from our Samaj left
Khana (place of worship of Satpanth), it was Sant Odhavramji who showed us the way to worship God
Laxminarayan as our Aaradhya Dev. Narayan bapa was against any form of idol worship, but Ratanshi
Khimji Khetani bapa and his team came in contact with Sant Odhavramji Maharaj and with his inspiration
Ratanshi bapa was the person who was instrumental in moulding our Samaj towards Laxminarayan sect.
The credit of introducing our Samaj to Laxminarayan sect goes to Sant Odhavramji Maharaj and Ratanshi
bapa only. Narayan bapa gets credit for enlightening and educating the Samaj members.

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6) There is no ban on Pirana Panth book: Satpanthis tried very hard to obtain a ban on the book, but
they were not successful. When they could not do anything else they tried to buy all the books available
so that these books do not reach the public. However they failed here also.

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From the points mentioned aforesaid, it is clear that this pamphlet contains
totally false, baseless and misleading information solely with the malafide
intention of maligning the image and character of Narayan bapa. This
pamphlet is published by Satpanthis who do not want the people of our
Samaj to leave in peace. These are people who want to break our Samaj.
The absence of any form of opposition from other satpanthis to this
pamphlet, suggests that they clandestinely support and abet this act. Such
people will also have to suffer the consequences of their clandestine
support to this pamphlet.

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Pamphlet suggests Satpanth and Taliban/Al-Qaida have common
things: It’s mentioned in this pamphlet that if person like Narayan Bapa, who was a Mukhi, got
distracted because of Bhavai, then chances that ordinary people would also get wrong influence, were
high; hence Satpanthis were banned from watching programs organized by Bhavai. This is something
similar to Ismalic terrorists issuing fatwas against watching TV and movies. The fact is that in those days
Bhavai was not only a source of entertainment, but also a source of information. Satpanthis feared that if
people watch Bhavai, which showed the culture of people, then they will start doubting and come to know
that Satpanth is a not a Hindu religion.

Similarly our community was deprived of education, because Saiyyeds used to ask us not to send our
children to schools. Once the level of education rises, then people will understand that Satpanth is not a
hindu religion, which will have direct impact on the earnings of Kakas and Saiyyeds. This is also similar to
the way Islamic terrorists who are against all forms of education.

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