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SME Clinic Series

Show Me The Money!
Jong Lee
Feburary 5, 2013
Hong Kong
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Thank You
For Coming!
JLL Entrepreneur Series, Jong Lee

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Happy Hour
until 8PM!
JLL Entrepreneur Series, Jong Lee

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Jong Lee
• Founder & Managing Director of RGL Holdings, Ltd.
– Private Equity, Venture Capital, Turnarounds & Advisory
– Current focus on cross border tech, startups & SMEs, special
purpose real estate, social enterprise and education
– Active in Asia, N. America and Europe

• My Former Lives:
– H&Q Asia Pacific – Oldest Pacific Rim PE / VC Firm
– UBS – Technology Investment Banking
– Simpson Thacher & Bartlett – LBOs for KKR & Blackstone

• Lived and Worked in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Beijing,
Seoul, Los Angeles, Silicon Valley, New York, etc….
• J.D. Columbia University (yes, I’m a lawyer…)
• BAS (Bioengineering) & BA (Political Science).
University of Pennsylvania
Selected Deal Sheet

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Community Involvement

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Let’s Talk About
Money…

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Different Kinds of [Money]
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Upfront Cash (YES!)
Staged Cash
Lines of Credit
Guarantees
In Kind
Liquid Assets
Resources
What else?

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Equity
Debt
Convertible
NREs
Personal
F&F
Angel
VC / PE
Real Revenues!

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What are you
doing?

RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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Why is it Worth
Something?

RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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What is of Value?
• The People
– You
– Your Team

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Customers
Relationships
Product
Intellectual Property
– Technology
– Other IP

• Your Head Start
• Your Cash / Revs
• Your synergy with
someone or
something else
• Competition
• Location
• Regulation
• What else?

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What is of Value
May Depend a Lot
on Who is Looking
RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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Unfortunately, No
Matter What, A Lot
of Value Depends on
Timing and Supply
and Demand for
What You Have
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Ok Let’s Talk VC
Valuations

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Assumptions
•

We are talking equity or convertible debt

•

Your business is scalable and has
potential exit value as an IPO or M&A
within 3 – 5 years

•

Let’s pretend we are in Sand Hill Road

•

Let’s assume your company will
eventually have revenues and
profitability or a lot of users (something
we can readily measure)
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Some Non Financial Ways VCs
Can Value Your SME
• How much is your
team worth to
someone else (e.g.
Google, Apple, etc..)?
– Today? Next Year?

• How much is your IP
worth to someone
else?
– Today? Tomorrow?

• How Much are your
customers or
products worth to
someone else?
– Today? Tomorrow?

• How Much would it be
worth to someone to
take you out of the
market?
– Today? Tomorrow?

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Rule of Thumb / Shotgun Approaches
• “Standard Deals”
– E.g. one size fits all
convertible debt deals
for successful
graduates of some
incubators
– E.g. “standard terms”
for some more
established angel
groups (valuation
ranges based on
company stage)

• Local “Market” Deals
– “Angels deals Palo
Alto are typically $X
for y% of the company
in common shares”
– Same but convertible
debt at a discount to
next round with max
– Series A means…
– Series B means…
– Series C means…

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Financial Valuations
• Metrics Used:

• How Metrics are Used

– Your current and
future revenues
– Your current and
future profits
– Your current and
future user base
– Your current and
future asset base
– Your current and
future human base

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–
–

Revenue ratios
Earnings ratios
DCF
$ per customer
$ per engineer
Enterprise Value
PEG ratios
What else???

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Financial Valuations
• Revenue ratios

• $ per customer

– Price per share vs
Revenues (FTM/TTM)

• Earnings ratios

– Is there a range in
value $ per customer

• $ per engineer

– Price per share vs
Earnings (FTM/TTM)

• DCF

– How much is each
engineer worth?

• Enterprise Value

– Discounted Cashflows
– Net present value
exercise

– Equity – debt - cash

• PEG ratios
– Price earnings growth

RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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VC Valuations are
often different from
strategic, angel or
F&F methods
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It’s often about
COMPS COMPS
COMPS!
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Comparables
• VCs (along with pretty much everyone
else) can only really value you based on
how you compare to your peers (present
or future)
• Who are your peers?
• What metrics can we use to compare?
• What timelines are we talking about?
• Which market are you talking about?
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Comparables
• VCs rely heavily on recent comparable
transactions (especially for M&A)
• VCs rely heavily on relevant (not
necessarily just recent) public market
comparables to your company
• Different markets, countries, companies
matter a whole lot
• More art than science!!!
RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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Example IPO Exit
Valuation Exercise

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So Why Does Any
Of This Matter to
SMEs in Hong
Kong?
RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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Great Question

RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013

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Valuations Always Matter
• Aren’t we always hearing questions about
when VCs will start investing in HK?
• Valuations = Equity and Share
• Equity is expensive
• Fundamentals and the need to understand
comparables always matter
• Understanding how quickly supply and
demand for what you are, offer or have is
very important
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Open Q&A Clinic

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Future Clinics
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Bootstrapping HK Style
Term Sheets
NDAs
Stock Options
Shareholder & Investment Agreements
SME Loans, Grants and Programs
SME Tech Toolkit
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Please Fill Out the
SCC Questionaire!

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Questions?
Thank You
jong@rglcompanies.com

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Show Me the Money: Jong Lee at SMECC - 20130205

  • 1. SME Clinic Series Show Me The Money! Jong Lee Feburary 5, 2013 Hong Kong 1
  • 2. Thank You For Coming! JLL Entrepreneur Series, Jong Lee 2
  • 3. Happy Hour until 8PM! JLL Entrepreneur Series, Jong Lee 3
  • 4. Jong Lee • Founder & Managing Director of RGL Holdings, Ltd. – Private Equity, Venture Capital, Turnarounds & Advisory – Current focus on cross border tech, startups & SMEs, special purpose real estate, social enterprise and education – Active in Asia, N. America and Europe • My Former Lives: – H&Q Asia Pacific – Oldest Pacific Rim PE / VC Firm – UBS – Technology Investment Banking – Simpson Thacher & Bartlett – LBOs for KKR & Blackstone • Lived and Worked in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Beijing, Seoul, Los Angeles, Silicon Valley, New York, etc…. • J.D. Columbia University (yes, I’m a lawyer…) • BAS (Bioengineering) & BA (Political Science). University of Pennsylvania
  • 7. Let’s Talk About Money… RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 7
  • 8. Different Kinds of [Money] • • • • • • • • Upfront Cash (YES!) Staged Cash Lines of Credit Guarantees In Kind Liquid Assets Resources What else? • • • • • • • • • Equity Debt Convertible NREs Personal F&F Angel VC / PE Real Revenues! RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 8
  • 9. What are you doing? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 9
  • 10. Why is it Worth Something? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 10
  • 11. What is of Value? • The People – You – Your Team • • • • Customers Relationships Product Intellectual Property – Technology – Other IP • Your Head Start • Your Cash / Revs • Your synergy with someone or something else • Competition • Location • Regulation • What else? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 11
  • 12. What is of Value May Depend a Lot on Who is Looking RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 12
  • 13. Unfortunately, No Matter What, A Lot of Value Depends on Timing and Supply and Demand for What You Have RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 13
  • 14. Ok Let’s Talk VC Valuations RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 14
  • 15. Assumptions • We are talking equity or convertible debt • Your business is scalable and has potential exit value as an IPO or M&A within 3 – 5 years • Let’s pretend we are in Sand Hill Road • Let’s assume your company will eventually have revenues and profitability or a lot of users (something we can readily measure) RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 15
  • 16. Some Non Financial Ways VCs Can Value Your SME • How much is your team worth to someone else (e.g. Google, Apple, etc..)? – Today? Next Year? • How much is your IP worth to someone else? – Today? Tomorrow? • How Much are your customers or products worth to someone else? – Today? Tomorrow? • How Much would it be worth to someone to take you out of the market? – Today? Tomorrow? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 16
  • 17. Rule of Thumb / Shotgun Approaches • “Standard Deals” – E.g. one size fits all convertible debt deals for successful graduates of some incubators – E.g. “standard terms” for some more established angel groups (valuation ranges based on company stage) • Local “Market” Deals – “Angels deals Palo Alto are typically $X for y% of the company in common shares” – Same but convertible debt at a discount to next round with max – Series A means… – Series B means… – Series C means… RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 17
  • 18. Financial Valuations • Metrics Used: • How Metrics are Used – Your current and future revenues – Your current and future profits – Your current and future user base – Your current and future asset base – Your current and future human base – – – – – – – – Revenue ratios Earnings ratios DCF $ per customer $ per engineer Enterprise Value PEG ratios What else??? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 18
  • 19. Financial Valuations • Revenue ratios • $ per customer – Price per share vs Revenues (FTM/TTM) • Earnings ratios – Is there a range in value $ per customer • $ per engineer – Price per share vs Earnings (FTM/TTM) • DCF – How much is each engineer worth? • Enterprise Value – Discounted Cashflows – Net present value exercise – Equity – debt - cash • PEG ratios – Price earnings growth RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 19
  • 20. VC Valuations are often different from strategic, angel or F&F methods RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 20
  • 21. It’s often about COMPS COMPS COMPS! RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 21
  • 22. Comparables • VCs (along with pretty much everyone else) can only really value you based on how you compare to your peers (present or future) • Who are your peers? • What metrics can we use to compare? • What timelines are we talking about? • Which market are you talking about? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 22
  • 23. Comparables • VCs rely heavily on recent comparable transactions (especially for M&A) • VCs rely heavily on relevant (not necessarily just recent) public market comparables to your company • Different markets, countries, companies matter a whole lot • More art than science!!! RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 23
  • 24. Example IPO Exit Valuation Exercise RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 24
  • 25. So Why Does Any Of This Matter to SMEs in Hong Kong? RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 25
  • 26. Great Question RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 26
  • 27. Valuations Always Matter • Aren’t we always hearing questions about when VCs will start investing in HK? • Valuations = Equity and Share • Equity is expensive • Fundamentals and the need to understand comparables always matter • Understanding how quickly supply and demand for what you are, offer or have is very important 27 RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013
  • 28. Open Q&A Clinic RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 28
  • 29. Future Clinics • • • • • • • Bootstrapping HK Style Term Sheets NDAs Stock Options Shareholder & Investment Agreements SME Loans, Grants and Programs SME Tech Toolkit RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 29
  • 30. Please Fill Out the SCC Questionaire! RGL Holdings; Jong Lee 2013 30