1. Is there a WebMD effect?
open access to law, the public, and the legal profession
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2. During the last revolution, in the
15th Century....
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3. During the last revolution, in the
15th Century....
✤ [Coke offers the law in English, not Law French] “so that the nobility
and gentry may understand.... seeing that ignorance of the law is no
excuse”
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4. During the last revolution, in the
15th Century....
✤ [Coke offers the law in English, not Law French] “so that the nobility
and gentry may understand.... seeing that ignorance of the law is no
excuse”
✤ ..and in the same volume...
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5. During the last revolution, in the
15th Century....
✤ [Coke offers the law in English, not Law French] “so that the nobility
and gentry may understand.... seeing that ignorance of the law is no
excuse”
✤ ..and in the same volume...
✤ [law should not be translated] "lest the unlearned, by bare reading
without right understanding might suck out errors, and trusting in
their conceit, might endamage themselves, and sometimes fall into
destruction"
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6. Why is any of this important now?
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7. Why is any of this important now?
✤ Open-access publishers need better understanding of their impact.
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8. Why is any of this important now?
✤ Open-access publishers need better understanding of their impact.
✤ Commercial publishers need to understand a changed marketplace.
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9. Why is any of this important now?
✤ Open-access publishers need better understanding of their impact.
✤ Commercial publishers need to understand a changed marketplace.
✤ Lawyers need to understand the informed client
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10. Why is any of this important now?
✤ Open-access publishers need better understanding of their impact.
✤ Commercial publishers need to understand a changed marketplace.
✤ Lawyers need to understand the informed client
✤ Law firms need to understand the marketing implications of new
media and new audiences
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12. So, what’s different now?
✤ The breadth, depth, and quality of what’s available have increased
enormously
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13. So, what’s different now?
✤ The breadth, depth, and quality of what’s available have increased
enormously
✤ Patterns of information consumption have changed
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14. So, what’s different now?
✤ The breadth, depth, and quality of what’s available have increased
enormously
✤ Patterns of information consumption have changed
✤ More sophisticated appreciation of law as an economic engine
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15. So, what’s different now?
✤ The breadth, depth, and quality of what’s available have increased
enormously
✤ Patterns of information consumption have changed
✤ More sophisticated appreciation of law as an economic engine
✤ We’re living in an administrative state (and have been for years)
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16. Who’s putting law on the Web?
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17. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
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18. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
✤ Commercial publishers
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19. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
✤ Commercial publishers
✤ LIIs and other open-access providers
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20. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
✤ Commercial publishers
✤ LIIs and other open-access providers
✤ Regulated communities
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21. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
✤ Commercial publishers
✤ LIIs and other open-access providers
✤ Regulated communities
✤ Those who sell compliance solutions (goods and services)
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22. Who’s putting law on the Web?
✤ Law originators: courts, legislatures, agencies
✤ Commercial publishers
✤ LIIs and other open-access providers
✤ Regulated communities
✤ Those who sell compliance solutions (goods and services)
✤ People who want to reach lawyers
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23. What is the public doing with it?
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24. What is the public doing with it?
✤ The “public” is at least two publics, maybe more, and there are a lot
of them.
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25. What is the public doing with it?
✤ The “public” is at least two publics, maybe more, and there are a lot
of them.
✤ They’re not doing what lawyers do when lawyers do legal research.
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26. What is the public doing with it?
✤ The “public” is at least two publics, maybe more, and there are a lot
of them.
✤ They’re not doing what lawyers do when lawyers do legal research.
✤ Contextualizing/assessing position/managing risk
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27. What is the public doing with it?
✤ The “public” is at least two publics, maybe more, and there are a lot
of them.
✤ They’re not doing what lawyers do when lawyers do legal research.
✤ Contextualizing/assessing position/managing risk
✤ Taking cross-bearings on other information sources -- their lawyers,
for example
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28. What is the public doing with it?
✤ The “public” is at least two publics, maybe more, and there are a lot
of them.
✤ They’re not doing what lawyers do when lawyers do legal research.
✤ Contextualizing/assessing position/managing risk
✤ Taking cross-bearings on other information sources -- their lawyers,
for example
✤ Subliminally getting ideas about price and value
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29. How do we assess impact?
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30. How do we assess impact?
✤ Behavioral study of legal research
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31. How do we assess impact?
✤ Behavioral study of legal research
✤ Formal study of LII impact and best practices
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32. How do we assess impact?
✤ Behavioral study of legal research
✤ Formal study of LII impact and best practices
✤ Evaluation of lawyer marketing practices and their effectiveness
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33. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
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34. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
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35. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
✤ Provides support for people with obscure conditions, but...
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36. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
✤ Provides support for people with obscure conditions, but...
✤ ...may create “cyberchondria” in those who don’t
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37. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
✤ Provides support for people with obscure conditions, but...
✤ ...may create “cyberchondria” in those who don’t
✤ Provides routine answers to routine questions
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38. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
✤ Provides support for people with obscure conditions, but...
✤ ...may create “cyberchondria” in those who don’t
✤ Provides routine answers to routine questions
✤ Aggregates information from commercial providers
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39. What does a service like WebMD
really do?
✤ Same duality as Coke: promotes understanding, but risks harm
✤ Provides support for people with obscure conditions, but...
✤ ...may create “cyberchondria” in those who don’t
✤ Provides routine answers to routine questions
✤ Aggregates information from commercial providers
✤ By way of illustration....
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40. Questions lawyers will need to
answer
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41. Questions lawyers will need to
answer
✤ What about the “latent legal market”?
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42. Questions lawyers will need to
answer
✤ What about the “latent legal market”?
✤ What must lawyers do as purveyors of legal information?
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43. Questions lawyers will need to
answer
✤ What about the “latent legal market”?
✤ What must lawyers do as purveyors of legal information?
✤ What new opportunities exist?
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45. The latent legal market
✤ First articulated by Richard Susskind, a British “lawyer-futurist”
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46. The latent legal market
✤ First articulated by Richard Susskind, a British “lawyer-futurist”
✤ Key perception is that there is a large audience that is underserved
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47. The latent legal market
✤ First articulated by Richard Susskind, a British “lawyer-futurist”
✤ Key perception is that there is a large audience that is underserved
✤ Extensively reinterpreted to emphasize price barriers, esp. for the
middle class
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48. The latent legal market
✤ First articulated by Richard Susskind, a British “lawyer-futurist”
✤ Key perception is that there is a large audience that is underserved
✤ Extensively reinterpreted to emphasize price barriers, esp. for the
middle class
✤ Barriers of understanding/comfort are possibly more important for
even more audiences
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49. What must lawyers do as legal-
information purveyors?
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50. What must lawyers do as legal-
information purveyors?
✤ What goes above the 800 number?
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51. What must lawyers do as legal-
information purveyors?
✤ What goes above the 800 number?
✤ What do clients want or expect to see?
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52. What must lawyers do as legal-
information purveyors?
✤ What goes above the 800 number?
✤ What do clients want or expect to see?
✤ An illustration: Joy Blumkin vs. Nolo Press vs. Saul Elnadav vs.
Green and Seifter
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54. What new opportunities exist?
✤ Attorney marketing to J. Random Citizen
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55. What new opportunities exist?
✤ Attorney marketing to J. Random Citizen
✤ Attorney-to-professional marketing
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56. What new opportunities exist?
✤ Attorney marketing to J. Random Citizen
✤ Attorney-to-professional marketing
✤ Attorney-to-attorney marketing
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57. What new opportunities exist?
✤ Attorney marketing to J. Random Citizen
✤ Attorney-to-professional marketing
✤ Attorney-to-attorney marketing
✤ All of these work well alongside primary and secondary law
resources
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