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SCIM:
a participants perspective & briefing
           for MACE-DIR
          June 27, 2011 - Chris Phillips – chris.phillips@canarie.ca
                          Refreshed & presented at Oct 3 I2FMM
                          differences in red with addt’n of slide 4
Emerging Themes
• Intention
   – designed to make managing (read: provisioning )user identity
     in cloud based applications and services easier
• How
   – to build upon experience with existing schemas and
     deployments
   – Intentional simplicity of development and integration
   – Based on authentication, authorization, and privacy models
• Provides/ intended delivery of
   – a common user schema and extension model
   – patterns for exchanging this schema using standard protocols
   – fast, cheap, and easy to move users in to, out of (not too
     sophisticated), and around the cloud.
Why?
• Stating the obvious: Everyone provisions
  differently in absence of a standard $$$
  – Fix this with some consistent way doing it, and it
    will get easier to integrate with each other.
  – Note that if only a handful of high volume
    commercial service providers participate, it will
    pay for itself (for them) through reduced
    complexity of interacting.
  – Schema definition is still fluid if sufficient use
    cases can present & defend their inclusion
The 4 minute diagram
  User            Admin
                                   API
Interface        Interface

                                                         LDAP
              Person Registry
                                         ‘Connectors’     AD
                                         To resources              SSO
             Workflow Engine                 ( aka        EC2
                                                                         Applications
                                            SCIM )      Vendor X
            Persistent datastore
                                                         App Y
One view of SCIM
Schema
• Schema appears to have started from portable contracts schema[1] (as seen in
  references)
    – Some pieces derived from participants needs
• Handles a variety of attribute types (see [2]):
    – Single valued, multivalued (term: Plural), and complex types
         • Intriguing technique -- allows for significant flexibility,
         • Me: introduces complexity under the hood about mapping that implementers will have to come
           to terms with
• Philosophical Approach: a core plus extensions
    – Partitions customizations much like LDAP schema extensions
    – Observations: I see an 80/20 challenge. Will 80% of the value exist in the extensions
      or the core schema?
         • Me: I’m a proponent of having a strong core to avoid having the real game played in the
           extensions
              – Boil the ocean problem to define a universal schema? Maybe, maybe not. if the core has sufficient
                useful attributes it will do better. ‘Roles’ and ‘Entitlements’ have been proposed and appear on their
                way into the core.
              – Missing/TBD: no clear way how core is governed and updated – yet

• [1] http://www.portablecontacts.net/draft-schema.html
• [2] http://www.simplecloud.info/specs/draft-scim-core-schema-01.html
Deployment inputs
• See scenarios doc [1]
• Tom Zeller’s lightning talk[2] depicts the
  situations/user stories quite nicely:
      – Plots discussions regarding SPML, SAML, and SCIM,
        against LDAP
• UPDATE: I propose SCIM is something that has
  noticeable utility for the protocol for provisioning.
      – Discussion/thoughts?


•   [1] http://www.simplecloud.info/specs/draft-scim-scenarios-03.html
•   [2] https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPIdSummit2011/Lightning+Talk+Topics+and+Slides
Timing & licensing
• Desired completion time on SPEC design is about Fall
  2011 for IIW – looks likely
  • Some are implementing as the spec evolves so early adopter
    code will be available as of 1.0 intro
      – map SCIM to inetOrgPerson in LDAP?
      – UPDATE: Unboundid has an SDK:
         » http://www.unboundid.com/blog/2011/07/26/the-unboundid-
           scim-sdk/
• Licensing is OWF (Open Web Foundation)
  • Cisco, Ping Identity, Salesforce, unBoundID already signed on
  • CANARIE signed on as a formal way to contribute from higher ed
• IETF candidate org for specification submission. 
  debating
How Adaptable is this?
• Will this concept be adaptable to other
  environments ?
• I believe so, but YMMV.
  – Me: Push for key items to be in the core the best foot
    forward, otherwise you are always playing in
    extensions (good/bad?)
  – Participate and ye shall have opportunity to advocate
    a position
     • Participants are receptive. Proposal to include 2 additional
       attributes – ‘Roles’ and ‘Entitlements’ in progress and
       appears to be on track
     • Both are in ‘core’ and not extensions
Is Simple Really Simple?
• RESTful API calls- keeps it simple & lightweight
     • Me: this is the SPML is too big value proposition. It will
       be more simple than SPML….but hard to escape
       complexity of hard problems.
• Still have deal with what happens when the
  method is invoked on either end:
     • How well it happens here is going to make or break you
       (use XACML? How much intelligence? How portable?)
Other Items
• Coverage is primarily on person provisioning
  activities and mechanics therein
  – Light coverage on groups  Grouper win
  – No coverage (as of yet) on privacy
• No clear way to move something from ‘an
  extension’ to ‘core’.  Governance challenge
  – If the features of the mechanisms are all you care
    about, then stick to exclusively extensions – is this
    a bad design pattern? Maybe.
Parting Thoughts
• SCIM has an opportunity to simplify the provisioning experience and gain
  consistency
• Lots of room for activity on schema to strengthen it
    – Will require more diversity of opinion/participants as to what is important to be in
      core in 1.0 UPDATE: we have roles+entitlments so core elements..
• Mechanics of the RESTful API will be very useful, but complexity and heavy logic
  lurk beneath the surface at the API boundary on either end.
    – These lie outside the scope of the protocol about the implementation.
    – Question: Compare the Shibboleth IdP/SP software are endpoints for the SAML
      protocol. How similar (or not) will the experience building endpoints for SCIM
      protocol?
    – Provocative statement: Just in Time provisioning ALREADY happens in SPs over SAML.
      Is it such a stretch to invoke the key person object operations over SAML and have a
      special add on for provisioning via Shibboleth (e.g. be an extension like ECP?)
• If one adopts SCIM, you gain a protocol, but doesn’t address all the best
  practices/’right way’ to do provisioning/deprovisioning. Still need the
  intelligence in there somewhere.
• What are your thoughts?
• Interesting Q: will OS4HeIDM use SCIM as a provisioning model? Me: yes

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SCIM - A Participants Perspective - Internet2 MACE-DIR Briefingscim-macedir-20110627

  • 1. SCIM: a participants perspective & briefing for MACE-DIR June 27, 2011 - Chris Phillips – chris.phillips@canarie.ca Refreshed & presented at Oct 3 I2FMM differences in red with addt’n of slide 4
  • 2. Emerging Themes • Intention – designed to make managing (read: provisioning )user identity in cloud based applications and services easier • How – to build upon experience with existing schemas and deployments – Intentional simplicity of development and integration – Based on authentication, authorization, and privacy models • Provides/ intended delivery of – a common user schema and extension model – patterns for exchanging this schema using standard protocols – fast, cheap, and easy to move users in to, out of (not too sophisticated), and around the cloud.
  • 3. Why? • Stating the obvious: Everyone provisions differently in absence of a standard $$$ – Fix this with some consistent way doing it, and it will get easier to integrate with each other. – Note that if only a handful of high volume commercial service providers participate, it will pay for itself (for them) through reduced complexity of interacting. – Schema definition is still fluid if sufficient use cases can present & defend their inclusion
  • 4. The 4 minute diagram User Admin API Interface Interface LDAP Person Registry ‘Connectors’ AD To resources SSO Workflow Engine ( aka EC2 Applications SCIM ) Vendor X Persistent datastore App Y
  • 5. One view of SCIM
  • 6. Schema • Schema appears to have started from portable contracts schema[1] (as seen in references) – Some pieces derived from participants needs • Handles a variety of attribute types (see [2]): – Single valued, multivalued (term: Plural), and complex types • Intriguing technique -- allows for significant flexibility, • Me: introduces complexity under the hood about mapping that implementers will have to come to terms with • Philosophical Approach: a core plus extensions – Partitions customizations much like LDAP schema extensions – Observations: I see an 80/20 challenge. Will 80% of the value exist in the extensions or the core schema? • Me: I’m a proponent of having a strong core to avoid having the real game played in the extensions – Boil the ocean problem to define a universal schema? Maybe, maybe not. if the core has sufficient useful attributes it will do better. ‘Roles’ and ‘Entitlements’ have been proposed and appear on their way into the core. – Missing/TBD: no clear way how core is governed and updated – yet • [1] http://www.portablecontacts.net/draft-schema.html • [2] http://www.simplecloud.info/specs/draft-scim-core-schema-01.html
  • 7. Deployment inputs • See scenarios doc [1] • Tom Zeller’s lightning talk[2] depicts the situations/user stories quite nicely: – Plots discussions regarding SPML, SAML, and SCIM, against LDAP • UPDATE: I propose SCIM is something that has noticeable utility for the protocol for provisioning. – Discussion/thoughts? • [1] http://www.simplecloud.info/specs/draft-scim-scenarios-03.html • [2] https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/ACAMPIdSummit2011/Lightning+Talk+Topics+and+Slides
  • 8. Timing & licensing • Desired completion time on SPEC design is about Fall 2011 for IIW – looks likely • Some are implementing as the spec evolves so early adopter code will be available as of 1.0 intro – map SCIM to inetOrgPerson in LDAP? – UPDATE: Unboundid has an SDK: » http://www.unboundid.com/blog/2011/07/26/the-unboundid- scim-sdk/ • Licensing is OWF (Open Web Foundation) • Cisco, Ping Identity, Salesforce, unBoundID already signed on • CANARIE signed on as a formal way to contribute from higher ed • IETF candidate org for specification submission.  debating
  • 9. How Adaptable is this? • Will this concept be adaptable to other environments ? • I believe so, but YMMV. – Me: Push for key items to be in the core the best foot forward, otherwise you are always playing in extensions (good/bad?) – Participate and ye shall have opportunity to advocate a position • Participants are receptive. Proposal to include 2 additional attributes – ‘Roles’ and ‘Entitlements’ in progress and appears to be on track • Both are in ‘core’ and not extensions
  • 10. Is Simple Really Simple? • RESTful API calls- keeps it simple & lightweight • Me: this is the SPML is too big value proposition. It will be more simple than SPML….but hard to escape complexity of hard problems. • Still have deal with what happens when the method is invoked on either end: • How well it happens here is going to make or break you (use XACML? How much intelligence? How portable?)
  • 11. Other Items • Coverage is primarily on person provisioning activities and mechanics therein – Light coverage on groups  Grouper win – No coverage (as of yet) on privacy • No clear way to move something from ‘an extension’ to ‘core’.  Governance challenge – If the features of the mechanisms are all you care about, then stick to exclusively extensions – is this a bad design pattern? Maybe.
  • 12. Parting Thoughts • SCIM has an opportunity to simplify the provisioning experience and gain consistency • Lots of room for activity on schema to strengthen it – Will require more diversity of opinion/participants as to what is important to be in core in 1.0 UPDATE: we have roles+entitlments so core elements.. • Mechanics of the RESTful API will be very useful, but complexity and heavy logic lurk beneath the surface at the API boundary on either end. – These lie outside the scope of the protocol about the implementation. – Question: Compare the Shibboleth IdP/SP software are endpoints for the SAML protocol. How similar (or not) will the experience building endpoints for SCIM protocol? – Provocative statement: Just in Time provisioning ALREADY happens in SPs over SAML. Is it such a stretch to invoke the key person object operations over SAML and have a special add on for provisioning via Shibboleth (e.g. be an extension like ECP?) • If one adopts SCIM, you gain a protocol, but doesn’t address all the best practices/’right way’ to do provisioning/deprovisioning. Still need the intelligence in there somewhere. • What are your thoughts? • Interesting Q: will OS4HeIDM use SCIM as a provisioning model? Me: yes

Notes de l'éditeur

  1. Quick notes:SCIM is the connector to the resources that support SSO/Shibboleth systems which in turn are the mouthpiece for the authoritative dataApplications can be stand alone – or not. Getting to the ‘Just In Case’ account distribution.