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Building Your Business Case 
For A Branded Online 
Community 
Thursday, October 16, 2014 
Vanessa DiMauro, CEO 
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About Leader Networks 
Leader Networks is a strategic research and consulting firm that helps clients develop 
social business strategies, create online communities and lead social media marketing 
programs. 
Social Business 
Operations & 
Training: ROI, 
integrated 
marketing 
programs, online 
community 
operations 
Social Business 
Research: 
tracking, 
community 
health check, and 
user validation 
Social Strategy 
Development for 
online 
communities and 
social media 
marketing 
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Leader Networks Clients 
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Research Methods 
Fernado Castagnari, 
Manager, Training & 
Communications, Mars 
Petcare 
J.J. Levett, Director, 
Community Programs, CA 
Technologies 
Jessica McDouall, Director, 
Customer Operations, SPS 
Commerce 
Jennifer McClure, Vice 
President, Digital & Social 
Media, Thomson Reuters 
Claire Bovill, Sales 
Business Development 
Manager, Cisco 
Scott Wilder, Global Nation 
Builder: Corporate Marketing, 
Head of Community, User 
Groups and Ecosystem 
Engagement at Marketo 
Steve Roth, Independent 
Contractor, SchoolDude 
Robin Carey, CEO Social 
Media Today 
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This report draws on decades of online community best practice and implementation 
experience, including in-depth interviews with eight successful online community 
leaders with real-world examples to back up their suggestions and advice.
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The Business Case Imperative 
Online communities have 
become a strategic 
necessity for many 
organizations. 
Well developed business 
plans for community help 
manage expectations and 
fuel buy-in. 
Successful communities 
start with a strong strategic 
foundation. 
A business case is the 
official proposal 
process -- usually 
resulting in a document 
of some type -- for 
securing an internal 
commitment from a 
business entity to 
create a branded online 
community. 
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Six Steps to Building a Business Case for Community 
Assemble 
executive 
sponsors 
Identify 
business 
needs 
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Identify 
audience 
needs and 
core 
members 
Map 
business & 
audience 
needs to 
community 
features 
Define and 
measure 
success 
Prepare a 
budget 
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Step 1: 
Assemble 
Executive Sponsors 
Executive 
involvement has 
much to do with 
how well 
communities 
influence revenue. 
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Two-thirds of organizations with 
highly involved executives are 
seeing their communities influence 
16% or more of the organizations’ 
total revenue. 
Source: “Online Communities: Driving Customer Engagement 
& Influencing Revenue” (Demand Metric, September 2014) 
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Assembling Executive & Cross Functional Stakeholders 
Executive sponsors can be found throughout the organization (e.g. marketing, 
customer care, strategy, communications, HR, product development) 
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Ways To Engage 
Focus on the strategic goals of the company 
Identify who has the most pressing needs that 
community can help solve and accelerate 
Frame the opportunity in business terms 
Answer the question “what happens if we don’t 
build community?” 
Gather examples of community success 
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After I sold the idea of community internally, I needed to 
engage the potential members. The first step was to 
showcase the community concept at a sales conference to 
the potential audience and engage them regarding what they 
wanted in the future. My objective was to help them feel 
part of the project. Then I met with distributors and showed 
them how I could get information and training to them and 
give them what they need, as well as a space for them to 
share information. The message to them was different than 
the one I told to sales people because I focused on their 
business needs. -- Fernando Castagnari, Mars Petcare 
– Fernado Castagnari Manager, Training and Communications, Mars Petcare Brazil 
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STEP 2: 
IDENTIFY A BUSINESS NEED 
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Identify A Business Need 
Many large-scale online community 
success stories begin by solving a single 
business problem, and evolved into 
more wide-ranging solutions which 
delivered outcomes not possible prior to 
establishing the community. 
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Example Business Needs To Fuel Community Business Case 
Customer Service & Support 
• Cost savings from contact reduction 
Increase self-service 
• Solve middle-of-the-night problems 
Achieve scale and efficiencies 
• Scale collaboration and information sharing. 
Greater customer intimacy 
• Leads to increased customer satisfaction 
Gather customer ideas to increase speed to market 
• Fuels innovation & new product adoption 
Sales support and outreach 
• Nurture leads through engagement 
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STEP 3: 
IDENTIFY 
AUDIENCE NEEDS & 
CORE MEMBERS 
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Map Business Need to Audience Need 
What business needs from community What members need from community 
Increased sales leads 
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Information about new products and 
services 
Thought leadership amplification 
Learning and sharing best practices 
from experts 
New (patentable) ideas 
Sharing feedback and ideas with 
product development 
A birds-eye-view on customer 
experiences 
Peer-peer discussions (forums) 
Fast customer satisfaction feedback 
Product and service ratings for 
purchase decisions 
Reduce call center traffic Get better support help more quickly 
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Who the 
community will 
serve informs the 
content and 
engagement 
opportunities. 
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Start with a sharp focus on the specific 
audiences or users who will be most closely 
aligned with the business needs and issues 
driving the community initiative. Consider the 
following: 
• Who are your most important customers, 
partners or stakeholders? 
• How would you describe individuals who would 
make the best members? 
• Can they be identified by customer segments, 
geographies, titles or specific activities within 
your organization's lines of business? 
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Step 4: Mapping Member and Business Needs to 
What 
members 
need from 
Community 
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Community Features 
What 
business 
needs to get 
from 
Community 
F 
e 
a 
t 
u 
r 
e 
s 
“I put together a plan of use cases, 
features, personas, etc. to 
determine which content should 
be open for lurkers, which content 
should be open for people that 
authenticate but are not customers 
and which content should be 
closed off to just customers.” 
Scott K. Wilder, Marketo 
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Map General Business & Audience Needs to Specific 
Business Requirements & Community Features 
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Specific 
Feature 
Capability 
• Ability to ask a questions 
or share ideas 
• Forums or content co-creation 
(e.g. wikis) 
Specific 
Business 
Requirement 
• Reduce load on internal 
customer service 
• Get answers to solve a 
problem 
General 
Member & 
Business 
Need 
Identification 
• (Business Need) Reduce 
call center traffic 
• (Member Need) Get 
better support help more 
quickly 
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Create A Business Requirements & Features Map 
Business Need Member Need Activity/Requirement Feature/Function 
Reduce load on internal 
customer service 
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Get answers to solve a 
problem 
Ability to ask a 
questions or share 
ideas 
Forums or content co-creation 
(e.g. wikis) 
Increase customer 
loyalty & engagement 
Competition for 
recognition and fun 
Inspire participation/ 
increase engagement 
Gamification and 
leaderboards 
Expand online and 
offline prospecting, 
selling and training 
Learn about new 
products, tech info and 
training 
Support in-person 
conferences and 
webinars 
Online booking 
capabilities; integrated 
video/screen sharing 
services 
Reduce call center and 
other support system 
costs per incident 
Get faster responses, 
self-service, avoid 
phone tag, 24x7 
availability 
Reduce support 
contacts; improve 
customer support 
FAQs, forums, wikis, 
pay-per-answer, online 
troubleshooter apps 
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STEP 5: Measure What Matters 
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• To demonstrate the impact of 
community on your organization, 
align community operations and 
measures with the organization's 
business goals and objectives. 
• Many "measurable" metrics (# of 
members, time on site, # of posts) 
are too far removed from the 
business strategy and member 
needs to be meaningful. 
• The real value of community can be 
found in understanding both the 
business definition of success and 
the members’ definition of success, 
each working to support the other. 
A Word On 
Metrics: 
Consider increased customer 
satisfaction measures, higher NPS 
scores, improved customer 
loyalty, more rapid customer 
service resolution, greater input 
from customers on product and 
service enhancements 
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Metrics to Measures: How to Track Business Outcomes 
Example Success Metric Measures 
Increase sales # leads generated by community 
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# sales made through community store (if 
applicable) 
# of product or service brochures downloaded 
on community 
Event attendance # of event registrations through the community 
Customer questions about how to 
use a product or service 
Contact reduction % 
# of questions asked online 
% of questions resolved online 
Learn from customers (e.g. feedback 
into product development) 
# of new ideas/requests 
% of ideas submitted that are investigated 
further 
Customer retention / satisfaction % increase in NPS score 
% of customers who are community members 
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“Some examples of metrics we track at 
SPS Commerce include Customer 
Engagement (measured by number of 
members and traffic on the community), 
Scalability (measured by contact 
reduction - % of viewed topics in a 
'completed' status), and CSAT - measured 
monthly (result of establishing a self-service 
channel providing customers 24x7 
access to training materials and 
information).” 
Jessica McDouall, Director, Customer Operations, SPS Commerce 
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STEP 6: Prepare A Budget 
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Executive Expectations For A Community Budget 
• Your budget should include both the cost and revenue sides of the ledger. 
• You will probably be able to forecast costs with greater confidence than 
revenues. 
• Executive sponsors and community stakeholders may want to see a two- or 
three-year outlook, but the longer the time horizon, the greater the degree 
of uncertainty. 
• One strategy for managing senior leadership expectations is to prepare a 
budget using high, medium and low estimates for both costs and revenues. 
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COSTS Category Estimate 
Strategy & support costs 
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Planning (e.g. internal assessment of needs) 
Consulting (e.g. strategic guidance, recommendations) 
Preliminary research (e.g. competitive analysis) 
Legal (e.g. user agreement, privacy, employee policy) 
Software platform 
Own or subscribe licenses 
Hosting fees 
Initial implementation fees 
Service and support fees (e.g. training) 
Ancillary products i.e. analytics, member management tools 
Design & development 
Community design treatment & branding 
Custom programming 
Ongoing enhancements 
Member acquisition, marketing & support 
Member acquisition programs / assets 
Online and off-line outreach programs 
Member incentives 
Content 
Repurposing existing assets 
New content creation 
Licensing fees for outside content (if applicable) 
Staffing 
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Direct 
Revenues 
Category Estimate 
In-community transactions (pay-per-download, pay-per-answer, pay-to-learn, 
lead generation, membership fees) 
Advertising & sponsorships (co-branding, partner or event marketing, co-sponsorships) 
Cost substitution (lower overall cost per customer served, per-incident cost 
differential vs. other channels) 
Reduced cost (cost per service incident; self-service for support needs, product 
information, sales inquiries) 
Indirect 
Revenues 
Increased customer satisfaction (faster response, reduced wait times, more 
knowledgeable responses from community member collaboration) 
Increased brand awareness (unsolicited brand mentions externally, positive 
brand comparisons on 3rd party sites, increased inquiry traffic across all 
channels) 
Increased prospect and sales leads (referrals, community mentions on 3rd party 
sites, word-of-mouth via community members) 
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The Net/Net for Building A Business Case For Online 
Community 
 Engage your executive sponsors on business 
terms 
 Identify business problems or opportunities 
that online community can help solve 
 Carefully identify your audience segments 
 Understand what the future members want 
from community 
 Map the business and member needs to the 
community features Determine your and 
your members’ definitions of success 
 Create a budget that includes costs and 
revenue potential 
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Building The Business Case For A Branded Online Community

  • 1. L E A D E R NETWORKS Building Your Business Case For A Branded Online Community Thursday, October 16, 2014 Vanessa DiMauro, CEO Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 1
  • 2. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC About Leader Networks Leader Networks is a strategic research and consulting firm that helps clients develop social business strategies, create online communities and lead social media marketing programs. Social Business Operations & Training: ROI, integrated marketing programs, online community operations Social Business Research: tracking, community health check, and user validation Social Strategy Development for online communities and social media marketing 2
  • 3. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Leader Networks Clients 3
  • 4. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Research Methods Fernado Castagnari, Manager, Training & Communications, Mars Petcare J.J. Levett, Director, Community Programs, CA Technologies Jessica McDouall, Director, Customer Operations, SPS Commerce Jennifer McClure, Vice President, Digital & Social Media, Thomson Reuters Claire Bovill, Sales Business Development Manager, Cisco Scott Wilder, Global Nation Builder: Corporate Marketing, Head of Community, User Groups and Ecosystem Engagement at Marketo Steve Roth, Independent Contractor, SchoolDude Robin Carey, CEO Social Media Today 4 This report draws on decades of online community best practice and implementation experience, including in-depth interviews with eight successful online community leaders with real-world examples to back up their suggestions and advice.
  • 5. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC The Business Case Imperative Online communities have become a strategic necessity for many organizations. Well developed business plans for community help manage expectations and fuel buy-in. Successful communities start with a strong strategic foundation. A business case is the official proposal process -- usually resulting in a document of some type -- for securing an internal commitment from a business entity to create a branded online community. 5
  • 6. L E A D E R NETWORKS Six Steps to Building a Business Case for Community Assemble executive sponsors Identify business needs Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Identify audience needs and core members Map business & audience needs to community features Define and measure success Prepare a budget 6
  • 7. L E A D E R NETWORKS Step 1: Assemble Executive Sponsors Executive involvement has much to do with how well communities influence revenue. Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Two-thirds of organizations with highly involved executives are seeing their communities influence 16% or more of the organizations’ total revenue. Source: “Online Communities: Driving Customer Engagement & Influencing Revenue” (Demand Metric, September 2014) 7
  • 8. L E A D E R NETWORKS Assembling Executive & Cross Functional Stakeholders Executive sponsors can be found throughout the organization (e.g. marketing, customer care, strategy, communications, HR, product development) Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Ways To Engage Focus on the strategic goals of the company Identify who has the most pressing needs that community can help solve and accelerate Frame the opportunity in business terms Answer the question “what happens if we don’t build community?” Gather examples of community success 8
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  • 10. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC After I sold the idea of community internally, I needed to engage the potential members. The first step was to showcase the community concept at a sales conference to the potential audience and engage them regarding what they wanted in the future. My objective was to help them feel part of the project. Then I met with distributors and showed them how I could get information and training to them and give them what they need, as well as a space for them to share information. The message to them was different than the one I told to sales people because I focused on their business needs. -- Fernando Castagnari, Mars Petcare – Fernado Castagnari Manager, Training and Communications, Mars Petcare Brazil 10
  • 11. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC STEP 2: IDENTIFY A BUSINESS NEED 11
  • 12. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Identify A Business Need Many large-scale online community success stories begin by solving a single business problem, and evolved into more wide-ranging solutions which delivered outcomes not possible prior to establishing the community. 12
  • 13. L E A D E R NETWORKS Example Business Needs To Fuel Community Business Case Customer Service & Support • Cost savings from contact reduction Increase self-service • Solve middle-of-the-night problems Achieve scale and efficiencies • Scale collaboration and information sharing. Greater customer intimacy • Leads to increased customer satisfaction Gather customer ideas to increase speed to market • Fuels innovation & new product adoption Sales support and outreach • Nurture leads through engagement Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 13
  • 14. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC STEP 3: IDENTIFY AUDIENCE NEEDS & CORE MEMBERS 14
  • 15. L E A D E R NETWORKS Map Business Need to Audience Need What business needs from community What members need from community Increased sales leads Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Information about new products and services Thought leadership amplification Learning and sharing best practices from experts New (patentable) ideas Sharing feedback and ideas with product development A birds-eye-view on customer experiences Peer-peer discussions (forums) Fast customer satisfaction feedback Product and service ratings for purchase decisions Reduce call center traffic Get better support help more quickly 15
  • 16. L E A D E R NETWORKS Who the community will serve informs the content and engagement opportunities. Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Start with a sharp focus on the specific audiences or users who will be most closely aligned with the business needs and issues driving the community initiative. Consider the following: • Who are your most important customers, partners or stakeholders? • How would you describe individuals who would make the best members? • Can they be identified by customer segments, geographies, titles or specific activities within your organization's lines of business? 16
  • 17. L E A D E R NETWORKS Step 4: Mapping Member and Business Needs to What members need from Community Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Community Features What business needs to get from Community F e a t u r e s “I put together a plan of use cases, features, personas, etc. to determine which content should be open for lurkers, which content should be open for people that authenticate but are not customers and which content should be closed off to just customers.” Scott K. Wilder, Marketo 17
  • 18. L E A D E R NETWORKS Map General Business & Audience Needs to Specific Business Requirements & Community Features Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Specific Feature Capability • Ability to ask a questions or share ideas • Forums or content co-creation (e.g. wikis) Specific Business Requirement • Reduce load on internal customer service • Get answers to solve a problem General Member & Business Need Identification • (Business Need) Reduce call center traffic • (Member Need) Get better support help more quickly 18
  • 19. L E A D E R NETWORKS Create A Business Requirements & Features Map Business Need Member Need Activity/Requirement Feature/Function Reduce load on internal customer service Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Get answers to solve a problem Ability to ask a questions or share ideas Forums or content co-creation (e.g. wikis) Increase customer loyalty & engagement Competition for recognition and fun Inspire participation/ increase engagement Gamification and leaderboards Expand online and offline prospecting, selling and training Learn about new products, tech info and training Support in-person conferences and webinars Online booking capabilities; integrated video/screen sharing services Reduce call center and other support system costs per incident Get faster responses, self-service, avoid phone tag, 24x7 availability Reduce support contacts; improve customer support FAQs, forums, wikis, pay-per-answer, online troubleshooter apps 19
  • 20. L E A D E R NETWORKS STEP 5: Measure What Matters Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 20
  • 21. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC • To demonstrate the impact of community on your organization, align community operations and measures with the organization's business goals and objectives. • Many "measurable" metrics (# of members, time on site, # of posts) are too far removed from the business strategy and member needs to be meaningful. • The real value of community can be found in understanding both the business definition of success and the members’ definition of success, each working to support the other. A Word On Metrics: Consider increased customer satisfaction measures, higher NPS scores, improved customer loyalty, more rapid customer service resolution, greater input from customers on product and service enhancements 21
  • 22. L E A D E R NETWORKS Metrics to Measures: How to Track Business Outcomes Example Success Metric Measures Increase sales # leads generated by community Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC # sales made through community store (if applicable) # of product or service brochures downloaded on community Event attendance # of event registrations through the community Customer questions about how to use a product or service Contact reduction % # of questions asked online % of questions resolved online Learn from customers (e.g. feedback into product development) # of new ideas/requests % of ideas submitted that are investigated further Customer retention / satisfaction % increase in NPS score % of customers who are community members 22
  • 23. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC “Some examples of metrics we track at SPS Commerce include Customer Engagement (measured by number of members and traffic on the community), Scalability (measured by contact reduction - % of viewed topics in a 'completed' status), and CSAT - measured monthly (result of establishing a self-service channel providing customers 24x7 access to training materials and information).” Jessica McDouall, Director, Customer Operations, SPS Commerce 23
  • 24. L E A D E R NETWORKS STEP 6: Prepare A Budget Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 24
  • 25. L E A D E R NETWORKS Executive Expectations For A Community Budget • Your budget should include both the cost and revenue sides of the ledger. • You will probably be able to forecast costs with greater confidence than revenues. • Executive sponsors and community stakeholders may want to see a two- or three-year outlook, but the longer the time horizon, the greater the degree of uncertainty. • One strategy for managing senior leadership expectations is to prepare a budget using high, medium and low estimates for both costs and revenues. Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 25
  • 26. L E A D E R NETWORKS COSTS Category Estimate Strategy & support costs Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC Planning (e.g. internal assessment of needs) Consulting (e.g. strategic guidance, recommendations) Preliminary research (e.g. competitive analysis) Legal (e.g. user agreement, privacy, employee policy) Software platform Own or subscribe licenses Hosting fees Initial implementation fees Service and support fees (e.g. training) Ancillary products i.e. analytics, member management tools Design & development Community design treatment & branding Custom programming Ongoing enhancements Member acquisition, marketing & support Member acquisition programs / assets Online and off-line outreach programs Member incentives Content Repurposing existing assets New content creation Licensing fees for outside content (if applicable) Staffing 26
  • 27. L E A D E R NETWORKS Direct Revenues Category Estimate In-community transactions (pay-per-download, pay-per-answer, pay-to-learn, lead generation, membership fees) Advertising & sponsorships (co-branding, partner or event marketing, co-sponsorships) Cost substitution (lower overall cost per customer served, per-incident cost differential vs. other channels) Reduced cost (cost per service incident; self-service for support needs, product information, sales inquiries) Indirect Revenues Increased customer satisfaction (faster response, reduced wait times, more knowledgeable responses from community member collaboration) Increased brand awareness (unsolicited brand mentions externally, positive brand comparisons on 3rd party sites, increased inquiry traffic across all channels) Increased prospect and sales leads (referrals, community mentions on 3rd party sites, word-of-mouth via community members) Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 27
  • 28. L E A D E R NETWORKS The Net/Net for Building A Business Case For Online Community  Engage your executive sponsors on business terms  Identify business problems or opportunities that online community can help solve  Carefully identify your audience segments  Understand what the future members want from community  Map the business and member needs to the community features Determine your and your members’ definitions of success  Create a budget that includes costs and revenue potential Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 28
  • 29. L E A D E R NETWORKS Copyright © 2014 Leader Networks, LLC 29