When we say open, what do we really mean? How are open communities and organizations performing. What are some of the observations and lessons from two viewpoints – an organization (humanitarian) – International Federation of Red Cross Red Crescent Societies and global community - OpenStreetMap. How are some of the topics/challenges and issues similar and different? What can we do as open advocates to inspire and build change in organizations of all types? Talk given October 7, 2018, Taipei, G0V Summit https://summit.g0v.tw